Rails - Jul 2008 - Action Mailer Driving me insane

Ok, maybe its a short walk, not a drive...

I have it working just fine using smtp in development env from my OSX
machine.  When I deploy it to the server (which happens to be the same
box where the smtp server lives), no email, no errors, nothing in the
Postfix logs.

I''ve double checked that my production and development action mailer
settings are identical. Here''s whats in the production.rb

config.action_mailer.raise_delivery_errors = true
config.action_mailer.perform_deliveries = true
config.action_mailer.delivery_method = :smtp
config.action_mailer.smtp_settings = {
:address => "mydomain.com",
:port => correct port,
:domain => "mydomain.com",
:authentication => :plain,
:user_name => "smtp_plain-3Q2Tfjf0mexWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org",
:password => "the password"
}

When the app fires off an email, the rails log shows:
Sent mail to blah-VqLq+sPIL7v3in0mhzB2HgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org

but the postfix logs on the smtp server show absolutely nothing related
to this attempted email.  When I send one from the development app
running on osx, I can easily find it in the postfix logs.

Help???  What could make actionmailer think everything is fine, and yet
the smtp server never even hears about it????

thanks,
jp
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On Jul 6, 8:23 pm, Jeff Pritchard
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> config.action_mailer.raise_delivery_errors = true
> config.action_mailer.perform_deliveries = true
> config.action_mailer.delivery_method = :smtp
> config.action_mailer.smtp_settings = {
> :address => "mydomain.com",
> :port => correct port,
> :domain => "mydomain.com",
> :authentication => :plain,
> :user_name =>
"smtp_pl...-3Q2Tfjf0mexWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org",
> :password => "the password"
random guess - do you need 127.0.0.1 or something like that rather
than mydomain.com ? Sometimes smtp etc is firewall on the external
interface.

Fred
>
> }
>
> When the app fires off an email, the rails log shows:
> Sent mail to b...-VqLq+sPIL7v3in0mhzB2HgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org
>
> but the postfix logs on the smtp server show absolutely nothing related
> to this attempted email.  When I send one from the development app
> running on osx, I can easily find it in the postfix logs.
>
> Help???  What could make actionmailer think everything is fine, and yet
> the smtp server never even hears about it????
>
> thanks,
> jp
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Frederick Cheung wrote:
> On Jul 6, 8:23�pm, Jeff Pritchard
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7m5VldFQK4jKA@public.gmane.orgt>
> wrote:
>> config.action_mailer.raise_delivery_errors = true
>> config.action_mailer.perform_deliveries = true
>> config.action_mailer.delivery_method = :smtp
>> config.action_mailer.smtp_settings = {
>> :address => "mydomain.com",
>> :port => correct port,
>> :domain => "mydomain.com",
>> :authentication => :plain,
>> :user_name =>
"smtp_pl...-3Q2Tfjf0mexWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org",
>> :password => "the password"
> 
> random guess - do you need 127.0.0.1 or something like that rather
> than mydomain.com ? Sometimes smtp etc is firewall on the external
> interface.
> 
> Fred
Thanks Fred,
No joy.  I even went so far as to put in "kungfoopanda.com" and
verified
that on my local machine this gives me a delivery error, while on the 
real server, no errors are generated.  For some reason, action mailer is 
not even trying to send it, but is claiming it has been sent.

;{
jp
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Jeff Pritchard wrote:
> 
> Thanks Fred,
> No joy.  I even went so far as to put in "kungfoopanda.com" and
verified
> that on my local machine this gives me a delivery error, while on the 
> real server, no errors are generated.  For some reason, action mailer is 
> not even trying to send it, but is claiming it has been sent.
> 
> ;{
> jp
Another clue.  I just went back to the development machine and forced 
script/server to run in production mode (script/server -e production), 
and it still works from the Mac in production mode.  I believe this 
removes the onus from the production config; I''m not sure where to
point
the finger now though.

thanks,
jp
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On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 22:39 +0200, Jeff Pritchard wrote:
> Jeff Pritchard wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Thanks Fred,
> > No joy.  I even went so far as to put in "kungfoopanda.com"
and verified
> > that on my local machine this gives me a delivery error, while on the 
> > real server, no errors are generated.  For some reason, action mailer
is
> > not even trying to send it, but is claiming it has been sent.
> > 
> > ;{
> > jp
> 
> Another clue.  I just went back to the development machine and forced 
> script/server to run in production mode (script/server -e production), 
> and it still works from the Mac in production mode.  I believe this 
> removes the onus from the production config; I''m not sure where to
point
> the finger now though.
----
can the ''production'' server actually send out traffic on port
25 (i.e.
firewall or other routing issues?)

can you telnet from the production server to the smtp server on port 25?

Craig


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Craig White wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 22:39 +0200, Jeff Pritchard wrote:
>> > jp
>> 
>> Another clue.  I just went back to the development machine and forced 
>> script/server to run in production mode (script/server -e production), 
>> and it still works from the Mac in production mode.  I believe this 
>> removes the onus from the production config; I''m not sure
where to point
>> the finger now though.
> ----
> can the ''production'' server actually send out traffic on
port 25 (i.e.
> firewall or other routing issues?)
> 
> can you telnet from the production server to the smtp server on port 25?
> 
> Craig
It is not on port 25 for safety reasons.

The production server and the server with the smtp are the same box.

From the mac I can telnet to the smtp server on its proper port.  From 
the production server (which is also the smtp server), it gives me 
connection refused.  I guess this is the problem.  Why didn''t it give a
delivery error?????

Should I use :sendmail on the production server instead?  What setup 
will I need to do in my Postfix to make it allow that?

thanks,
jp
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On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 23:08 +0200, Jeff Pritchard wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 22:39 +0200, Jeff Pritchard wrote:
> >> > jp
> >> 
> >> Another clue.  I just went back to the development machine and
forced
> >> script/server to run in production mode (script/server -e
production),
> >> and it still works from the Mac in production mode.  I believe
this
> >> removes the onus from the production config; I''m not sure
where to point
> >> the finger now though.
> > ----
> > can the ''production'' server actually send out
traffic on port 25 (i.e.
> > firewall or other routing issues?)
> > 
> > can you telnet from the production server to the smtp server on port
25?
> > 
> > Craig
> 
> It is not on port 25 for safety reasons.
> 
> The production server and the server with the smtp are the same box.
> 
> From the mac I can telnet to the smtp server on its proper port.  From 
> the production server (which is also the smtp server), it gives me 
> connection refused.  I guess this is the problem.  Why didn''t it
give a
> delivery error?????
> 
> Should I use :sendmail on the production server instead?  What setup 
> will I need to do in my Postfix to make it allow that?
----
why on earth would you decide to run smtp on a port other than 25 and
call it ''safety reasons?'' SMTP servers are fully hardened and
have
sophisticated methods to decide who is allowed to relay and mail and who
isn''t.

I wouldn''t know because I haven''t tested it and I''ve
never considered
moving smtp to another port than port 25 but it might work if you just
use 127.0.0.1:YOUR_SMTP_PORT_NUMBER but there''s not a chance in the
world anyone could have helped you with your problem connecting to an
odd port if you don''t tell us.

Craig


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Well, on my machine...  I run SMTP on port 24 AND 25.  Port 25 is
filtered by my home ISP, while 24 slips right through...

Port 24 is, however, hardened in the manner you stated.  And if the
SMTP server and application are on the same machine, there''s no reason
to change the port, just configure smtp to only listen on loopback
(127.0.0.1, and ::1, for those cool IPv6 people)

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On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 21:13 -0500, Michael Graff wrote:
> Well, on my machine...  I run SMTP on port 24 AND 25.  Port 25 is
> filtered by my home ISP, while 24 slips right through...
> 
> Port 24 is, however, hardened in the manner you stated.  And if the
> SMTP server and application are on the same machine, there''s no
reason
> to change the port, just configure smtp to only listen on loopback
> (127.0.0.1, and ::1, for those cool IPv6 people)
----
if you spent the same amount of energy detailing your setup as you do
justifying your mail setup it would be easier to help. Is rails running
on your home LAN? Is your mail server on your home LAN? 

Craig


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Craig White wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 22:39 +0200, Jeff Pritchard wrote:
>> > jp
>> 
>> Another clue.  I just went back to the development machine and forced 
>> script/server to run in production mode (script/server -e production), 
>> and it still works from the Mac in production mode.  I believe this 
>> removes the onus from the production config; I''m not sure
where to point
>> the finger now though.
> ----
> can the ''production'' server actually send out traffic on
port 25 (i.e.
> firewall or other routing issues?)
> 
> can you telnet from the production server to the smtp server on port 25?
> 
> Craig
Ok, I''m at a point now where I can ssh into the server box (the box
that
runs both the rails app and the smtp server) with an ordinary user 
account (not root or anything special).  From there I can telnet in on 
port 25 and successfully send an email to a domain that is not related 
to that box.

Even with that, I can find no combination of smtp settings that will 
make ANY of the following happen:
1) successful email
2) delivery failure exception
3) anything at all showing up in the postfix log

It is acting exactly as it would if the delivery type was set to :test, 
but it clearly isn''t as seen above.  The test database has not been 
created yet or migrated, so I''m quite sure I''m not somehow
running with
test environment.  Can anybody suggest something else to look at 
here?????

FWIW, this is Rails 2.1, running on lighttpd proxied through apache (I 
have many different things on this box, and that seems to be the 
simplest way).  The box is running RHEL4 OS.  The mail server is 
postfix.  The postfix config is mostly unmollested, save the addition of 
all of my domains to the "destinations" list.


thanks,
jp
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Michael Graff wrote:
> Well, on my machine...  I run SMTP on port 24 AND 25.  Port 25 is
> filtered by my home ISP, while 24 slips right through...
> 
> Port 24 is, however, hardened in the manner you stated.  And if the
> SMTP server and application are on the same machine, there''s no
reason
> to change the port, just configure smtp to only listen on loopback
> (127.0.0.1, and ::1, for those cool IPv6 people)
Hi Michael,
The smtp server is also used for regular mail for my several other 
domains, so I can''t config it for ONLY local.

I''m becoming more and more certain that the problem lies before the
smtp
config though, based on the fact that I''ve never gotten anything to
show
up in the postfix log despite a dozen different configs, and also it 
never gives me a delivery failure exception despite having it set for 
that.

My other reply just above provides some more details about my setup.

thanks,
jp
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On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 04:42 +0200, Jeff Pritchard wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 22:39 +0200, Jeff Pritchard wrote:
> >> > jp
> >> 
> >> Another clue.  I just went back to the development machine and
forced
> >> script/server to run in production mode (script/server -e
production),
> >> and it still works from the Mac in production mode.  I believe
this
> >> removes the onus from the production config; I''m not sure
where to point
> >> the finger now though.
> > ----
> > can the ''production'' server actually send out
traffic on port 25 (i.e.
> > firewall or other routing issues?)
> > 
> > can you telnet from the production server to the smtp server on port
25?
> > 
> > Craig
> 
> Ok, I''m at a point now where I can ssh into the server box (the
box that
> runs both the rails app and the smtp server) with an ordinary user 
> account (not root or anything special).  From there I can telnet in on 
> port 25 and successfully send an email to a domain that is not related 
> to that box.
> 
> Even with that, I can find no combination of smtp settings that will 
> make ANY of the following happen:
> 1) successful email
> 2) delivery failure exception
> 3) anything at all showing up in the postfix log
> 
> It is acting exactly as it would if the delivery type was set to :test, 
> but it clearly isn''t as seen above.  The test database has not
been
> created yet or migrated, so I''m quite sure I''m not
somehow running with
> test environment.  Can anybody suggest something else to look at 
> here?????
> 
> FWIW, this is Rails 2.1, running on lighttpd proxied through apache (I 
> have many different things on this box, and that seems to be the 
> simplest way).  The box is running RHEL4 OS.  The mail server is 
> postfix.  The postfix config is mostly unmollested, save the addition of 
> all of my domains to the "destinations" list.
----
if you can telnet from the rails server to smtp server on port 25 (even
if it''s the same system), then all you need to do is to use the same
settings that you used in your telnet session in the actionmailer. The
same hostname, and if you don''t need to authenticate to send mail,
don''t
use authentication settings (I''m gathering that you don''t have
authentication setup in postfix by your description above).

Thus if you used ''telnet localhost 25'' for connecting, then
you use
localhost as the ''address''. i.e

ActionMailer::Base.smtp_settings = {
  :address  => "localhost",
  :port  => 25,
  :domain  => "www.example.com"
  #:user_name  => "me-S7oGPHmddGo0aPf6s/0I7w@public.gmane.org",
  #:password  => “mypass”,
  #:authentication  => :login
    } 

Craig


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Craig White wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 04:42 +0200, Jeff Pritchard wrote:
>> > can the ''production'' server actually send out
traffic on port 25 (i.e.
>> to that box.
>> test environment.  Can anybody suggest something else to look at 
>> here?????
snip
> Thus if you used ''telnet localhost 25'' for connecting,
then you use
> localhost as the ''address''. i.e
> 
> ActionMailer::Base.smtp_settings = {
>   :address  => "localhost",
>   :port  => 25,
>   :domain  => "www.example.com"
>   #:user_name  =>
"me-S7oGPHmddGo0aPf6s/0I7w@public.gmane.org",
>   #:password  => “mypass”,
>   #:authentication  => :login
>     }
> 
> Craig
Thanks Craig,
It is working now using your suggested reduced config above.  I still 
don''t understand why I couldn''t find any grief in any of the
various log
files.  Also, why no delivery failure exceptions?!?!?!?!?!?     That''s 
just WRONG!

thanks for the help,
jp
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