{BCC'ed to three Core groups} Following the recommendation of the mailman developers, I have activated occasional "VERP"ing for our mailing lists. (and will turn it off again, after about a day or so). Here is the mailman "comment-docu" on this : # These variables control the format and frequency of VERP-like delivery for # better bounce detection. VERP is Variable Envelope Return Path, defined # here: # # http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt # # This involves encoding the address of the recipient as we (Mailman) know it # into the envelope sender address (i.e. the SMTP `MAIL FROM:' address). # Thus, no matter what kind of forwarding the recipient has in place, should # it eventually bounce, we will receive an unambiguous notice of the bouncing # address. # This is in order to better track down those invalid e-mail addresses with mail servers that do not send back bounces which mailman (the mailing list software) understands. Otherwise I would have to manually find out what went wrong and disable / unsubscribe unused addresses. This is no longer an option, e.g., for R-help with more than 2000 addresses subscribed and more than a dozen subscriptions changes every day. Consequence: The mails are sometimes (every 10th time) sent out individualized with a "Sender: " header that now looks like this (for me): >> Sender: r-devel-bounces+maechler=stat.math.ethz.ch@stat.math.ethz.ch instead of >> Sender: r-devel-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch This is both *slower* and may require that you change your mail pre-sorting if it currently relied on "Sender:". E.g., I'd use procmail rule for the R lists such as :0: * ^Sender: (r-|bioco)[-a-z]*-(admin|bounces(\+.*)?))@stat\.math\.ethz\.ch R-lists.spool where the "(\+.*)?" allows for the occasional VERPing. I hope these consequences are small enough, and will help to rationalize the keeping of a clean mailing list address base. Martin Maechler <maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch> http://stat.ethz.ch/~maechler/ Seminar fuer Statistik, ETH-Zentrum LEO C16 Leonhardstr. 27 ETH (Federal Inst. Technology) 8092 Zurich SWITZERLAND phone: x-41-1-632-3408 fax: ...-1228 <><