uses for the compromised accounts - one is to get to expensive destinations - e.g. mobiles in eastern european/african destinations, and the other would appear to be pure fraud - e.g. 10 concurrent calls to what looks like a mobile in a country with a dubious telecom infrastructure - which is obviously a destination that charges a high interconnect fee, so one theory is that it's the terminating telco themselves that are stealing the accounts and placing calls into their own network... (This was a popular scam with mobile phone theft in the UK a few years back - stories abounded with tales of rooms full of mobiles, calling premium rate numbers belonging to the thieves, and so on) Anyway, SV is easy to thwart with good practices and tools like fail2ban, svcrash.py, sites like http://www.infiltrated.net/voipabuse/ and so on. As far as I'm concerned, it's history. It's understood and with a few simple procedures we can protect ourselves against it. It's yesterdays news. Why are we still bleating on about it? Gordon