this is the best forum eve, I asked a question weeks ago and didn''t even get a RTFM reply, you rule ppl. Please at least point me to a "how do you ask a question" thread or somethng, Thanks -- David Gonzalez H. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM, David Gonzalez <dgonzalezh@gmail.com> wrote:> this is the best forum eve, I asked a question weeks ago and didn''t even get > a RTFM reply, you rule ppl.Lets see. Perhaps people are just busy. Or your question doesn''t make sense.> > Please at least point me to a "how do you ask a question" thread or > somethng,First rule: if you want prompt, accurate, replies, buy support contract. That''s what it''s there for. Anyway, if your question was about the serial prompt, then it doesn''t make sense. Really. You can''t access dom0 serial console from inside dom0 using minicom (or whatever). It doesn''t work that way. Use serial cable (or server''s remote serial console, if you have that). FWIW, here''s my grub.conf line, using RHEL6 with custom kernel and xen 4.1. Console is displayed correctly on server''s remote serial console. title Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server (3.0.0-0.rc7.1.el5.fanxen) root (hd0,0) kernel /xen.gz-3.0.0-0.rc7.1.el5.fan com1=115200,8n1 console=vga,com1 dom0_mem=2000M dom0_vcpus_pin module /vmlinuz-3.0.0-0.rc7.1.el5.fanxen ro root=/dev/rootvg/rootlv rhgb quiet console=tty0 console=hvc0 loop.max_loop=256 module /initrd-3.0.0-0.rc7.1.el5.fanxen.img -- Fajar
FAN> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM, David Gonzalez <dgonzalezh@gmail.com> wrote: ??>> this is the best forum eve, I asked a question weeks ago and didn''t ??>> even get a RTFM reply, you rule ppl. FAN> Lets see. Perhaps people are just busy. We are all busy FAN> Or your question doesn''t make sense. If the question is asked - it makes sense. It is disrespectful to ignore the issues.
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Likarpenkov Alexander <al@ohosting.org.ua> wrote:> > FAN> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM, David Gonzalez <dgonzalezh@gmail.com> > wrote: > ??>> this is the best forum eve, I asked a question weeks ago and didn''t > ??>> even get a RTFM reply, you rule ppl. > > FAN> Lets see. Perhaps people are just busy. > > We are all busy > > FAN> Or your question doesn''t make sense. > > If the question is asked - it makes sense. It is disrespectful to ignore the > issues. >You''re missing the point. People that contribute (i.e. giving answers) in opensource user forums (including this one) mostly do so on their free time. They do so out of good will to help others, or wanting to share their experience. There''s no obligation whatsoever for them to do anything. Not even to respond to a question. That''s why I said "if you want prompt, accurate, replies, buy support contract. That''s what it''s there for". If you buy a support contract, and ask in their appropriate channel (e.g. web ticket, phone, whatever) then your comments is perfectly valid. They shouldn''t ignore your question, or say they''re busy, or say the question doesn''t make sense. They''re obligated to respond because they''re paid to do so. But again, this forum is NOT a paid support forum. People contribute here does NOT get paid to do so. So don''t complain if your questions are unanswered. -- Fajar
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Fajar A. Nugraha <list@fajar.net> wrote:> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Likarpenkov Alexander > <al@ohosting.org.ua> wrote: > > > > FAN> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM, David Gonzalez < > dgonzalezh@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > ??>> this is the best forum eve, I asked a question weeks ago and didn''t > > ??>> even get a RTFM reply, you rule ppl. > > > > FAN> Lets see. Perhaps people are just busy. > > > > We are all busy > > > > FAN> Or your question doesn''t make sense. > > > > If the question is asked - it makes sense. It is disrespectful to ignore > the > > issues. > > > > You''re missing the point. > > People that contribute (i.e. giving answers) in opensource user forums > (including this one) mostly do so on their free time. They do so out > of good will to help others, or wanting to share their experience. > There''s no obligation whatsoever for them to do anything. Not even to > respond to a question. > > That''s why I said "if you want prompt, accurate, replies, buy support > contract. That''s what it''s there for". If you buy a support contract, > and ask in their appropriate channel (e.g. web ticket, phone, > whatever) then your comments is perfectly valid. They shouldn''t ignore > your question, or say they''re busy, or say the question doesn''t make > sense. They''re obligated to respond because they''re paid to do so. > > But again, this forum is NOT a paid support forum. People contribute > here does NOT get paid to do so. So don''t complain if your questions > are unanswered. > > -- > Fajar > >And those of us who answer questions here a lot scan the forums and if a question makes no intelligible sense we''ll probably skip it. I know I''m not getting paid to offer my support and I don''t think anyone else is either. Sometimes rewording a question will get you an answer. Attacking the people in the forum probably won''t. Grant McWilliams grantmcwilliams.com _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Fajar A. Nugraha wrote:>You''re missing the point. > >People that contribute (i.e. giving answers) in opensource user forums >(including this one) mostly do so on their free time. They do so out >of good will to help others, or wanting to share their experience. >There''s no obligation whatsoever for them to do anything. Not even to >respond to a question.Furthermore, at least speaking for myself, if I don''t have an answer then I''ll keep quiet. Thus if no-one has any clue or no-one can understand what''s being asked, then there''ll be no answer. The alternative would be dozens (or even hundreds) of people answering with "I''ve no idea" which definitely wouldn''t be helpful. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is worth a good read The OP may particularly care to turn to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id479876 -- Simon Hobson Visit http://www.magpiesnestpublishing.co.uk/ for books by acclaimed author Gladys Hobson. Novels - poetry - short stories - ideal as Christmas stocking fillers. Some available as e-books.
The above was made that the issue is not important, and so it is ignored. Each of us here spent many hours figuring with Xen. And to say that we should have no need to read - each is to be understood. If someone wants money for the answer to the question - and it should say. If I was sure that I get exactly the right answer and that''s my kind - I would have paid the support. But I bet - which for my money I do not get what you need, and trying to find answers in this correspondence, I am looking for clever ideas, rather than "gannet''s answers - read it yet or you did not ask me important questions, although I do not know about what they mean." Maybe everyone is using Xen but the dream to become Bill Gates? Thought becomes rich fool So, let''s respect for all members of the xen-user and help. I have a lot of experience and I am ready to share them, let them try the same thing to everyone. But I also have unresolved issues where I need all your help SH> Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: ??>> You''re missing the point. ??>> ??>> People that contribute (i.e. giving answers) in opensource user forums ??>> (including this one) mostly do so on their free time. They do so out ??>> of good will to help others, or wanting to share their experience. ??>> There''s no obligation whatsoever for them to do anything. Not even to ??>> respond to a question. SH> Furthermore, at least speaking for myself, if I don''t have an answer SH> then I''ll keep quiet. Thus if no-one has any clue or no-one can SH> understand what''s being asked, then there''ll be no answer. The SH> alternative would be dozens (or even hundreds) of people answering SH> with "I''ve no idea" which definitely wouldn''t be helpful. SH> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html SH> is worth a good read SH> The OP may particularly care to turn to SH> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id479876
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Likarpenkov Alexander <al@ohosting.org.ua> wrote:> The above was made that the issue is not important, and so it is ignored.No. Re-read the responses. Nobody says it was not important. I said "your question doesn''t make sense." Grant said "if a question makes no intelligible sense we''ll probably skip it." Simon said "if I don''t have an answer then I''ll keep quiet. Thus if no-one has any clue or no-one can understand what''s being asked, then there''ll be no answer." If you want other people to at least TRY to answer your question, then you should at least make sure that: a. The question is easy to understand b. You''re asking about something that make sense and common-enough. If you''re making the question hard to understand, or the question is about a super-complex implementation, or you want to do something that has never been done, or you want to do something that CAN''T be done, then chances are not many (if any at all) will respond.> Each of us here spent many hours figuring with Xen. And to say that we > should have no need to read - each is to be understood. If someone wants > money for the answer to the question - and it should say. If I was sure that > I get exactly the right answer and that''s my kind - I would have paid the > support. But I bet - which for my money I do not get what you need, and > trying to find answers in this correspondence, I am looking for clever > ideas, rather than "gannet''s answers - read it yet or you did not ask me > important questions, although I do not know about what they mean."Nobody said you need to pay anything to get answers on this list. Nobody said it was not important. What I said was "If you want prompt, accurate, replies, buy support contract. That''s what it''s there for." Those with support contract should ask their respective support channel, as it (usually) will be a better source of information then a public list. And they''re obligated to respond to your question, even if it''s just "this is unsupported and will not work" or "can you explain more, cause I don''t understand what your problem is". And note that I didn''t mention any company. Choose whomever you trust to give support. Often, local companies or experts with enough experience is good enough. Even when they have no affiliation with the principal. If you ask on a public list (ANY list, not just this one), then don''t demand anything. Be prepared for whatever response (or lack of) that you may get.> > Maybe everyone is using Xen but the dream to become Bill Gates? Thought > becomes rich fool >Nobody said that.> So, let''s respect for all members of the xen-user and help. > I have a lot of experience and I am ready to share them, let them try the > same thing to everyone.Good. Now here''s a question: did you respond to David''s original question thread? If not, why?> But I also have unresolved issues where I need all your helpAll you need to do is ask. If other people understand it, and know the answer, and have time to write the answer, usually you can expect good response. But don''t demand anything. That''s not what a public list is for. -- Fajar