Subject:[Xen-users] Looking for GUI tools From:Diego Augusto Molina (diegoaugustomolina@gmail.com) Date:Oct 27, 2011 7:28:40 am List:com.xensource.lists.xen-users Hi list! I''ve been using XEN Source 3.4 with Gentoo Linux >= 2.6.32 dom0 for over a year with very little complains. It has sweet performance and works perfect for our needs. But our needs are changing and so is our datacenter, which is getting bigger and wider. So what I''m looking for is a GUI tool to start administering domUs. That''s sort of basic maybe, but it''d be nice to start pointing at some Cloud solution too. We always keep FOSS as much as possible (we are proudly clean and safe from Micro$uck products as of today). I''ve been looking around the wiki page in my search, which is of great help, and this I''ve come up with: Unmaintained "Management Tools": * Xen Cloud Control System (last release: December 13th, 2010) * Xen Orchestra (last release: June 14th, 2010) * OpenXenManager (last release: December 2nd, 2010) * XenWebManager (last release: January 2nd, 2011). I have to add that the link in the wiki redirects to OpenXenManager''s site. Google found it for me :) So we end up with two choices: Zentific and ConVirt Open Source. In the categoty "Cloud Orchestration Software" I found the three of them (CloudStack, OpenNebula and OpenStack) up to date. So, if you have experiences on any of them I would really appreciate that you share them. I''m really looking for a starting point and there are many choices. Let me see if I understand correctly: "Management Tools" manage one host at a time and the "Cloud Orchestration Software" manage the whole Cloud, right? I''ve seen a recent post in the list asking for assistance in the layout and Florian Heigl made a recommendation on using OpenNebula. I''ve been researching in the project''s pages and they all have nice features. -- Diego Augusto Molina diegoaugustomolina@gmail.com ES: Por favor, evite adjuntar documentos de Microsoft Office. Serán desestimados. EN: Please, avoid attaching Microsoft Office documents. They shall be discarded. LINK: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users Hello, I''d like to return to this question again because I am stuck at the same point as Diego. I am looking for a GUI to manage domU''s on a traditional xen hypervisor environment. Also, I''d like to listen for advice about what kind of administration would you prefer. I mean, I have read that it''s recommended to keep dom0 as minimal as possible, with no graphical interface. Then, the administration panel must be somewhere else, probably using a web interface. The other choice seems to have the dom0 with all the graphical interface and have installed the graphical management tool there, using GTK, etc What do you guys think? And also, Diego have you found any light on this? Thanks in advance Eva Morano
If you are doing pooling with XCP or XenServer, you might want to look at cloud.com. Citrix purchased the company and has open sourced the software. It works really well in both a private or public situation. Regards, Scott On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:06 AM, eva <evammg@gmail.com> wrote:> Subject:[Xen-users] Looking for GUI tools > From:Diego Augusto Molina (diegoaugustomolina@gmail.com) > Date:Oct 27, 2011 7:28:40 am > List:com.xensource.lists.xen-users > > Hi list! I''ve been using XEN Source 3.4 with Gentoo Linux >= 2.6.32 > dom0 for over a year with very little complains. It has sweet > performance and works perfect for our needs. But our needs are > changing and so is our datacenter, which is getting bigger and wider. > So what I''m looking for is a GUI tool to start administering domUs. > That''s sort of basic maybe, but it''d be nice to start pointing at some > Cloud solution too. We always keep FOSS as much as possible (we are > proudly clean and safe from Micro$uck products as of today). I''ve been > looking around the wiki page in my search, which is of great help, and > this I''ve come up with: > > Unmaintained "Management Tools": * Xen Cloud Control System (last > release: December 13th, 2010) * Xen Orchestra (last release: June > 14th, 2010) * OpenXenManager (last release: December 2nd, 2010) * > XenWebManager (last release: January 2nd, 2011). I have to add that > the link in the wiki redirects to OpenXenManager''s site. Google found > it for me :) > > So we end up with two choices: Zentific and ConVirt Open Source. In > the categoty "Cloud Orchestration Software" I found the three of them > (CloudStack, OpenNebula and OpenStack) up to date. > > So, if you have experiences on any of them I would really appreciate > that you share them. I''m really looking for a starting point and there > are many choices. Let me see if I understand correctly: "Management > Tools" manage one host at a time and the "Cloud Orchestration > Software" manage the whole Cloud, right? > > I''ve seen a recent post in the list asking for assistance in the > layout and Florian Heigl made a recommendation on using OpenNebula. > > I''ve been researching in the project''s pages and they all have nice features. > > -- Diego Augusto Molina diegoaugustomolina@gmail.com > > ES: Por favor, evite adjuntar documentos de Microsoft Office. Serán > desestimados. EN: Please, avoid attaching Microsoft Office documents. > They shall be discarded. LINK: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > > > Hello, > > I''d like to return to this question again because I am stuck at the > same point as Diego. > > I am looking for a GUI to manage domU''s on a traditional xen > hypervisor environment. > > Also, I''d like to listen for advice about what kind of administration > would you prefer. I mean, I have read that it''s recommended to keep > dom0 as minimal as possible, with no graphical interface. Then, the > administration panel must be somewhere else, probably using a web > interface. > > The other choice seems to have the dom0 with all the graphical > interface and have installed the graphical management tool there, > using GTK, etc > > What do you guys think? > > And also, Diego have you found any light on this? > > Thanks in advance > > Eva Morano > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 eva <evammg@gmail.com> schrieb:>So what I'm looking for is a GUI tool to start administering domUs. >That's sort of basic maybe, but it'd be nice to start pointing at some >Cloud solution too. We always keep FOSS as much as possible (we are >proudly clean and safe from Micro$uck products as of today).hmmm, a very sophisticated but professional and notificable solution (beside the others still arised here) for datacenter cloud management could be the mainly web based openQRM. A very simple but even smart toolchain, usable as i.e. a extensible login shell (shell based/type UI) could be xen-shell with xen-tools - especially if you want to script byself and have not a very complex environment. But how far such solutions meet your needs is a question mainly depend from what you want do do. Many of the solutions are smart and great, but only for a subset of thinkable virt/cloud scenarios. So i'm very interested too here in this topic... ß) cheers, Niels. - -- Niels Dettenbach Syndicat IT&Internet http://www.syndicat.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.0.8 iIAEAREIAEEFAk8MWAQ6HE5pZWxzIERldHRlbmJhY2ggKFN5bmRpY2F0IElUJklu dGVybmV0KSA8bmRAc3luZGljYXQuY29tPgAKCRBU3ERlZRyiDXCnAJ9icy1HpjLS trJX8FVd2axoLU1l4gCXcZ4JnRl+RfqVgc3HY9Z4Q4A11Q==Ygmb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
OpenQRM is cool, but you, or anyone else using it probably spends more time attending to the tool versus actually using it to manage systems. When I think of management tools, what comes to mind is: installing it without having to fish for dependencies for two weeks while waiting on a reply from the developers mailing list. Statically linked (via other websites/repositories) dependencies that are moved or have their version changed is a very poor way to setup an installer. If you are going to provide "packages" for installation, perhaps you should include the dependencies in said package. ANY-way, I personally would use anything BUT OpenQRM for a production environment that has been running smoothly long term...because it wouldn''t be any longer if you use OpenQRM. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat IT&Internet) <nd@syndicat.com> wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > eva <evammg@gmail.com> schrieb: >>So what I''m looking for is a GUI tool to start administering domUs. >>That''s sort of basic maybe, but it''d be nice to start pointing at some >>Cloud solution too. We always keep FOSS as much as possible (we are >>proudly clean and safe from Micro$uck products as of today). > > hmmm, > a very sophisticated but professional and notificable solution (beside the others still arised here) for datacenter cloud management could be the mainly web based openQRM. > > A very simple but even smart toolchain, usable as i.e. a extensible login shell (shell based/type UI) could be xen-shell with xen-tools - especially if you want to script byself and have not a very complex environment. > > But how far such solutions meet your needs is a question mainly depend from what you want do do. Many of the solutions are smart and great, but only for a subset of thinkable virt/cloud scenarios. > > So i''m very interested too here in this topic... ß) > > > cheers, > > > Niels. > > - -- > Niels Dettenbach > Syndicat IT&Internet > http://www.syndicat.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: APG v1.0.8 > > iIAEAREIAEEFAk8MWAQ6HE5pZWxzIERldHRlbmJhY2ggKFN5bmRpY2F0IElUJklu > dGVybmV0KSA8bmRAc3luZGljYXQuY29tPgAKCRBU3ERlZRyiDXCnAJ9icy1HpjLS > trJX8FVd2axoLU1l4gCXcZ4JnRl+RfqVgc3HY9Z4Q4A11Q=> =Ygmb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
You can take a look at convirt2 from convirture. It is a web based admin tool. The open source version is quite old now but offers most wanted features for life cycle management of virtual machines. It is quite simple to setup (here is an howto for debian: http://www.horoa.net/2011/04/convirt-install/), and if you like it and want more, convirture (http://www.convirture.com) sales an enterprise version with HA features and cloud function (for EC2 and other and for building your own private cloud too). Regards, Alexandre. Le 10/01/2012 16:06, eva a écrit :> Subject:[Xen-users] Looking for GUI tools > From:Diego Augusto Molina (diegoaugustomolina@gmail.com) > Date:Oct 27, 2011 7:28:40 am > List:com.xensource.lists.xen-users > > Hi list! I''ve been using XEN Source 3.4 with Gentoo Linux>= 2.6.32 > dom0 for over a year with very little complains. It has sweet > performance and works perfect for our needs. But our needs are > changing and so is our datacenter, which is getting bigger and wider. > So what I''m looking for is a GUI tool to start administering domUs. > That''s sort of basic maybe, but it''d be nice to start pointing at some > Cloud solution too. We always keep FOSS as much as possible (we are > proudly clean and safe from Micro$uck products as of today). I''ve been > looking around the wiki page in my search, which is of great help, and > this I''ve come up with: > > Unmaintained "Management Tools": * Xen Cloud Control System (last > release: December 13th, 2010) * Xen Orchestra (last release: June > 14th, 2010) * OpenXenManager (last release: December 2nd, 2010) * > XenWebManager (last release: January 2nd, 2011). I have to add that > the link in the wiki redirects to OpenXenManager''s site. Google found > it for me :) > > So we end up with two choices: Zentific and ConVirt Open Source. In > the categoty "Cloud Orchestration Software" I found the three of them > (CloudStack, OpenNebula and OpenStack) up to date. > > So, if you have experiences on any of them I would really appreciate > that you share them. I''m really looking for a starting point and there > are many choices. Let me see if I understand correctly: "Management > Tools" manage one host at a time and the "Cloud Orchestration > Software" manage the whole Cloud, right? > > I''ve seen a recent post in the list asking for assistance in the > layout and Florian Heigl made a recommendation on using OpenNebula. > > I''ve been researching in the project''s pages and they all have nice features. > > -- Diego Augusto Molina diegoaugustomolina@gmail.com > > ES: Por favor, evite adjuntar documentos de Microsoft Office. Serán > desestimados. EN: Please, avoid attaching Microsoft Office documents. > They shall be discarded. LINK: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > > > Hello, > > I''d like to return to this question again because I am stuck at the > same point as Diego. > > I am looking for a GUI to manage domU''s on a traditional xen > hypervisor environment. > > Also, I''d like to listen for advice about what kind of administration > would you prefer. I mean, I have read that it''s recommended to keep > dom0 as minimal as possible, with no graphical interface. Then, the > administration panel must be somewhere else, probably using a web > interface. > > The other choice seems to have the dom0 with all the graphical > interface and have installed the graphical management tool there, > using GTK, etc > > What do you guys think? > > And also, Diego have you found any light on this? > > Thanks in advance > > Eva Morano > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users-- <http://www.horoa.net> Alexandre Chapellon Ingénierie des systèmes open sources et réseaux. Follow me on twitter: @alxgomz <http://www.twitter.com/alxgomz>
On 10 January 2012 17:32, Alexandre Chapellon <a.chapellon@horoa.net> wrote:> You can take a look at convirt2 from convirture. > It is a web based admin tool. The open source version is quite old now but > offers most wanted features for life cycle management of virtual machines. > It is quite simple to setup (here is an howto for debian: > http://www.horoa.net/2011/04/convirt-install/), and if you like it and want > more, convirture (http://www.convirture.com) sales an enterprise version > with HA features and cloud function (for EC2 and other and for building your > own private cloud too). > > Regards, Alexandre. > > Le 10/01/2012 16:06, eva a écrit : > >> Subject:[Xen-users] Looking for GUI tools >> From:Diego Augusto Molina (diegoaugustomolina@gmail.com) >> Date:Oct 27, 2011 7:28:40 am >> List:com.xensource.lists.xen-users >> >> Hi list! I''ve been using XEN Source 3.4 with Gentoo Linux>= 2.6.32 >> dom0 for over a year with very little complains. It has sweet >> performance and works perfect for our needs. But our needs are >> changing and so is our datacenter, which is getting bigger and wider. >> So what I''m looking for is a GUI tool to start administering domUs. >> That''s sort of basic maybe, but it''d be nice to start pointing at some >> Cloud solution too. We always keep FOSS as much as possible (we are >> proudly clean and safe from Micro$uck products as of today). I''ve been >> looking around the wiki page in my search, which is of great help, and >> this I''ve come up with: >> >> Unmaintained "Management Tools": * Xen Cloud Control System (last >> release: December 13th, 2010) * Xen Orchestra (last release: June >> 14th, 2010) * OpenXenManager (last release: December 2nd, 2010) * >> XenWebManager (last release: January 2nd, 2011). I have to add that >> the link in the wiki redirects to OpenXenManager''s site. Google found >> it for me :) >> >> So we end up with two choices: Zentific and ConVirt Open Source. In >> the categoty "Cloud Orchestration Software" I found the three of them >> (CloudStack, OpenNebula and OpenStack) up to date. >> >> So, if you have experiences on any of them I would really appreciate >> that you share them. I''m really looking for a starting point and there >> are many choices. Let me see if I understand correctly: "Management >> Tools" manage one host at a time and the "Cloud Orchestration >> Software" manage the whole Cloud, right? >> >> I''ve seen a recent post in the list asking for assistance in the >> layout and Florian Heigl made a recommendation on using OpenNebula. >> >> I''ve been researching in the project''s pages and they all have nice >> features. >> >> -- Diego Augusto Molina diegoaugustomolina@gmail.com >> >> ES: Por favor, evite adjuntar documentos de Microsoft Office. Serán >> desestimados. EN: Please, avoid attaching Microsoft Office documents. >> They shall be discarded. LINK: >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I''d like to return to this question again because I am stuck at the >> same point as Diego. >> >> I am looking for a GUI to manage domU''s on a traditional xen >> hypervisor environment. >> >> Also, I''d like to listen for advice about what kind of administration >> would you prefer. I mean, I have read that it''s recommended to keep >> dom0 as minimal as possible, with no graphical interface. Then, the >> administration panel must be somewhere else, probably using a web >> interface. >> >> The other choice seems to have the dom0 with all the graphical >> interface and have installed the graphical management tool there, >> using GTK, etc >> >> What do you guys think? >> >> And also, Diego have you found any light on this? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Eva Morano >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > > > -- > <http://www.horoa.net> > > Alexandre Chapellon > > Ingénierie des systèmes open sources et réseaux. > Follow me on twitter: @alxgomz <http://www.twitter.com/alxgomz> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-usersThanks for the information, guys. Scott, Cloud.com is just for XCP, right? I need an administration tool only to manage our domU''s locally, just a traditional virtualization structure with the Xen hypervisor. It''s good to know about it anyways. About OpenQRM, or any other application that you have to compile it yourself and look for the libraries.. everything by hand.. it''s not good at all. Alexandre, I''d probably just pay for Convirt2 but at work they don''t want to pay. They said they are tired of relying on a application with all the consecuences.. this is an old debate. I found this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openxenmanager/ It''s in Python so I wouldn''t mind to contribute, why not.. Are all these applications being installed on dom0? Wouldn''t it be better leaving dom0 without graphical interface, and having it on a domU instead, which will communicate with dom0 to perform the administrative tasks? Do you guys have the management tool installed on dom0 or in a separate machine? How would the management application communicate with dom0? It looks like to me that the management tool should be out of dom0, leaving dom0 as isolated and minimal as possible. I better open a new thread with these questions.
OpenXenManager is an open source alternative to XenCenter. It only works with XCP or XenServer. AFAIK, it does not work with regular Xen. Some of the management apps rely on the API that XCP and XenServer use. Cloud.com/CloudStack/OpenStack can manage XCP and XenServer. I don''t think it can manage a normal Linux box that is simply running the Xen hypervisor. I don''t think anybody would advocate installing any of the management tools in the dom0. On XCP and XenServer, the dom0 is a stripped down text only environment. ---- Cloud.com is just for XCP, right? I need an administration tool only to manage our domU''s locally, just a traditional virtualization structure with the Xen hypervisor. It''s good to know about it anyways. About OpenQRM, or any other application that you have to compile it yourself and look for the libraries.. everything by hand.. it''s not good at all. I''d probably just pay for Convirt2 but at work they don''t want to pay. They said they are tired of relying on a application with all the consecuences.. this is an old debate. I found this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openxenmanager/ It''s in Python so I wouldn''t mind to contribute, why not.. Are all these applications being installed on dom0? Wouldn''t it be better leaving dom0 without graphical interface, and having it on a domU instead, which will communicate with dom0 to perform the administrative tasks? Do you guys have the management tool installed on dom0 or in a separate machine? How would the management application communicate with dom0? It looks like to me that the management tool should be out of dom0, leaving dom0 as isolated and minimal as possible. I better open a new thread with these questions.
On 11 January 2012 15:06, <admin@xenhive.com> wrote:> OpenXenManager is an open source alternative to XenCenter. It only works > with XCP or XenServer. AFAIK, it does not work with regular Xen. Some of > the management apps rely on the API that XCP and XenServer use. > > Cloud.com/CloudStack/OpenStack can manage XCP and XenServer. I don''t think > it can manage a normal Linux box that is simply running the Xen hypervisor. > > I don''t think anybody would advocate installing any of the management tools > in the dom0. On XCP and XenServer, the dom0 is a stripped down text only > environment. > > > ---- > > > Cloud.com is just for XCP, right? I need an administration tool only > to manage our domU''s locally, just a traditional virtualization > structure with the Xen hypervisor. > > It''s good to know about it anyways. > > About OpenQRM, or any other application that you have to compile it > yourself and look for the libraries.. everything by hand.. it''s not > good at all. > > I''d probably just pay for Convirt2 but at work they don''t want to pay. > They said they are tired of relying on a application with all the > consecuences.. this is an old debate. > > I found this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openxenmanager/ > > It''s in Python so I wouldn''t mind to contribute, why not.. > > Are all these applications being installed on dom0? Wouldn''t it be > better leaving dom0 without graphical interface, and having it on a > domU instead, which will communicate with dom0 to perform the > administrative tasks? > > Do you guys have the management tool installed on dom0 or in a > separate machine? How would the management application communicate > with dom0? It looks like to me that the management tool should be out > of dom0, leaving dom0 as isolated and minimal as possible. I better > open a new thread with these questions. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-usersI see. It''s very much clear to me now. Thank you.