Daniel Spies
2008-May-13 09:46 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Best distro with out of the box xensupport?
Hell, I was about to give Fedora 9 a try, and now it turns out it''s not working for the dom0. What does that mean exactly for F9? I cannot run F9 as dom0 at all/only restricted functionality? And anyone knows where to find out if they already put the working kernel into F10/rawhide? Cheers, Daniel On Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:09 -0400, "Todd Deshane" <deshantm@gmail.com> wrote:>> >> You should take a look at Fedora''s release notes on virtualisation : >> * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora8VirtQuickStart : Fedora Core > 8 >> uses Xen 3.1 >> * tomorrow Fedora Core 9 will be released and includes Xen 3.2 : see >> >http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-Virtualization.htmland>> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7 >> > > Be careful here. Fedora 9 is not going to have a Dom0 kernel accordingto:> http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-paravirt_ops-kernel-xen-td15876181.html > > There will be an updated domU kernel for Fedora 9 though. > > > As for best out of box distro, I have been testing Ubuntu 8.04 with the > fixed > Linux kernel packages from > http://downloads.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_8.04_server_xen_from_repositories/ > > I have been quite impressed at how well things work "out of the box", I > can > send a HOWTO with some > potential tricky points if people are interested. I will post it online > somewhere once I have time > to make it more polished and do some more testing. > > Cheers, > Todd_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Emre ERENOGLU
2008-May-13 09:55 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Best distro with out of the box xensupport?
Hi Daniel, you can give a try to F8''s 2.6.21 based dom0 kernel on your F9. It''s working fine on my Ubuntu 7.04. Is there no dom0 support at all in F9? Emre On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Daniel Spies <daniel.spies@fuceekay.com> wrote:> Hell, I was about to give Fedora 9 a try, and now it turns out it''s not > working for the dom0. What does that mean exactly for F9? I cannot run F9 > as dom0 at all/only restricted functionality? And anyone knows where to > find out if they already put the working kernel into F10/rawhide? > > Cheers, > Daniel > > On Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:09 -0400, "Todd Deshane" <deshantm@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> You should take a look at Fedora''s release notes on virtualisation : > >> * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora8VirtQuickStart : Fedora > Core > > 8 > >> uses Xen 3.1 > >> * tomorrow Fedora Core 9 will be released and includes Xen 3.2 : see > >> > > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-Virtualization.htmland > >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7 > >> > > > > Be careful here. Fedora 9 is not going to have a Dom0 kernel according > to: > > http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-paravirt_ops-kernel-xen-td15876181.html > > > > There will be an updated domU kernel for Fedora 9 though. > > > > > > As for best out of box distro, I have been testing Ubuntu 8.04 with the > > fixed > > Linux kernel packages from > > > http://downloads.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_8.04_server_xen_from_repositories/ > > > > I have been quite impressed at how well things work "out of the box", I > > can > > send a HOWTO with some > > potential tricky points if people are interested. I will post it online > > somewhere once I have time > > to make it more polished and do some more testing. > > > > Cheers, > > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >-- Emre Erenoglu erenoglu@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Daniel Spies
2008-May-13 10:11 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Best distro with out of the box xensupport?
So you''re using the F8 kernel in Ubuntu 7.04? Or do you run F9 kernel in F8? Regarding to the messages, there is no dom0 support at all in F9. It will be added to rawhide/F10 and if it works fine they will add it to F9, too. [QUOTE]> Then what would be the Dom0 kernel in Fedora 9?Nothing. There will *not* be any Dom0 kernel in Fedora 9 GA release. People who need Dom0 should stay on Fedora 8. We will work on Dom0 for Fedora 10, and if it is stable enough release it as an Fedora 9 update after GA. Dan. -- [/QUOTE] Cheers, Daniel On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:55:43 +0200, "Emre ERENOGLU" <erenoglu@gmail.com> wrote:> Hi Daniel, > > you can give a try to F8''s 2.6.21 based dom0 kernel on your F9. It''s > working > fine on my Ubuntu 7.04. > > Is there no dom0 support at all in F9? > > Emre > > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Daniel Spies<daniel.spies@fuceekay.com>> wrote: > >> Hell, I was about to give Fedora 9 a try, and now it turns out it''s not >> working for the dom0. What does that mean exactly for F9? I cannot run > F9 >> as dom0 at all/only restricted functionality? And anyone knows where to >> find out if they already put the working kernel into F10/rawhide? >> >> Cheers, >> Daniel >> >> On Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:09 -0400, "Todd Deshane" <deshantm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> You should take a look at Fedora''s release notes on virtualisation : >> >> * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora8VirtQuickStart : Fedora >> Core >> > 8 >> >> uses Xen 3.1 >> >> * tomorrow Fedora Core 9 will be released and includes Xen 3.2 : see >> >> >> > >> >> >http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-Virtualization.htmland>> >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7 >> >> >> > >> > Be careful here. Fedora 9 is not going to have a Dom0 kernel according >> to: >> > > http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-paravirt_ops-kernel-xen-td15876181.html >> > >> > There will be an updated domU kernel for Fedora 9 though. >> > >> > >> > As for best out of box distro, I have been testing Ubuntu 8.04 with > the >> > fixed >> > Linux kernel packages from >> > >> > http://downloads.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_8.04_server_xen_from_repositories/ >> > >> > I have been quite impressed at how well things work "out of the box", > I >> > can >> > send a HOWTO with some >> > potential tricky points if people are interested. I will post it > online >> > somewhere once I have time >> > to make it more polished and do some more testing. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> > > > > -- > Emre Erenoglu > erenoglu@gmail.com_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Daniel Spies
2008-May-13 10:20 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Best distro with out of the boxxensupport?
<fe9771a80805130255t3e8b9507md4ecb91b23ee341e@mail.gmail.com> <46c958da667de785af60fd3b78df2e37@localhost> Message-ID: <41cf240efdeb5c382798abf33f723662@localhost> X-Sender: daniel.spies@fuceekay.com Received: from 62.159.37.130 [62.159.37.130] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Tue, 13 May 2008 12:20:07 +0200 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just wrote another message to that thread to get an update on that issue. (It need''s to be confirmed first) So let''s see what they say... http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-paravirt_ops-kernel-xen-td15876181.html#a17205184 Cheers, Daniel On Tue, 13 May 2008 12:11:56 +0200, Daniel Spies <daniel.spies@fuceekay.com> wrote:> So you''re using the F8 kernel in Ubuntu 7.04? > Or do you run F9 kernel in F8? > > Regarding to the messages, there is no dom0 support at all in F9. > It will be added to rawhide/F10 and if it works fine they will add it to > F9, too. > > [QUOTE] >> Then what would be the Dom0 kernel in Fedora 9? > > Nothing. > > There will *not* be any Dom0 kernel in Fedora 9 GA release. People who > need Dom0 should stay on Fedora 8. We will work on Dom0 for Fedora 10, > and if it is stable enough release it as an Fedora 9 update after GA. > > Dan. >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Emre ERENOGLU
2008-May-13 10:29 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Best distro with out of the box xensupport?
Hi Daniel, I run F8 2.6.21 dom0 kernel on Ubuntu 7.04, along with it''s modules as I find Ubuntu''s own kernel unstable. I don''t have Fedora installed on my system. Thanks for the F9 comments. Waiting impatiently for the pv_ops dom0 support. Emre On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Daniel Spies <daniel.spies@fuceekay.com> wrote:> So you''re using the F8 kernel in Ubuntu 7.04? > Or do you run F9 kernel in F8? > > Regarding to the messages, there is no dom0 support at all in F9. > It will be added to rawhide/F10 and if it works fine they will add it to > F9, too. > > [QUOTE] > > Then what would be the Dom0 kernel in Fedora 9? > > Nothing. > > There will *not* be any Dom0 kernel in Fedora 9 GA release. People who > need Dom0 should stay on Fedora 8. We will work on Dom0 for Fedora 10, > and if it is stable enough release it as an Fedora 9 update after GA. > > Dan. > -- > [/QUOTE] > > Cheers, > Daniel > > On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:55:43 +0200, "Emre ERENOGLU" <erenoglu@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > > > you can give a try to F8''s 2.6.21 based dom0 kernel on your F9. It''s > > working > > fine on my Ubuntu 7.04. > > > > Is there no dom0 support at all in F9? > > > > Emre > > > > > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Daniel Spies > <daniel.spies@fuceekay.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Hell, I was about to give Fedora 9 a try, and now it turns out it''s not > >> working for the dom0. What does that mean exactly for F9? I cannot run > > F9 > >> as dom0 at all/only restricted functionality? And anyone knows where to > >> find out if they already put the working kernel into F10/rawhide? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Daniel > >> > >> On Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:09 -0400, "Todd Deshane" <deshantm@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> You should take a look at Fedora''s release notes on virtualisation : > >> >> * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora8VirtQuickStart : Fedora > >> Core > >> > 8 > >> >> uses Xen 3.1 > >> >> * tomorrow Fedora Core 9 will be released and includes Xen 3.2 : see > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-Virtualization.htmland > >> >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7 > >> >> > >> > > >> > Be careful here. Fedora 9 is not going to have a Dom0 kernel > according > >> to: > >> > > > http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-paravirt_ops-kernel-xen-td15876181.html > >> > > >> > There will be an updated domU kernel for Fedora 9 though. > >> > > >> > > >> > As for best out of box distro, I have been testing Ubuntu 8.04 with > > the > >> > fixed > >> > Linux kernel packages from > >> > > >> > > > http://downloads.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_8.04_server_xen_from_repositories/ > >> > > >> > I have been quite impressed at how well things work "out of the box", > > I > >> > can > >> > send a HOWTO with some > >> > potential tricky points if people are interested. I will post it > > online > >> > somewhere once I have time > >> > to make it more polished and do some more testing. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Todd > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xen-users mailing list > >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Emre Erenoglu > > erenoglu@gmail.com > >-- Emre Erenoglu erenoglu@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Daniel Spies
2008-May-13 11:31 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Best distro with out of the box xensupport?
<fe9771a80805130255t3e8b9507md4ecb91b23ee341e@mail.gmail.com> <46c958da667de785af60fd3b78df2e37@localhost> <fe9771a80805130329q3c86196buc14146b7326f8c0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <363bfe9c5f43d13bb08bb51467c3a88b@localhost> X-Sender: daniel.spies@fuceekay.com Received: from 62.159.37.130 [62.159.37.130] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Tue, 13 May 2008 13:31:34 +0200 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi again! On Tue, 13 May 2008 12:29:00 +0200, "Emre ERENOGLU" <erenoglu@gmail.com> wrote:> Hi Daniel, > > I run F8 2.6.21 dom0 kernel on Ubuntu 7.04, along with it''s modules as I > find Ubuntu''s own kernel unstable. I don''t have Fedora installed on my > system. > > Thanks for the F9 comments. Waiting impatiently for the pv_ops dom0 > support.Update: [QUOTE from http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2008-May/msg00006.html] Hi, On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:04 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:> Hello list! > > Fedora 9 will be released shortly, so I thought I''ll ask about the > kernel-xen pv_ops plans and status.. would be nice to get some shortprogress> report. > > Are these wiki pages up to date? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XenPvops > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XenPvopsDom0 > > Waiting for dom0 capable kernel-xen to test :):-) Yep, the pages are up to date. We haven''t made any further progress with the Dom0 work - the focus so far has remained on fixing bugs for the F-9 kernel-xen, particularly on x86_64. Cheers, Mark. [/QUOTE] Cheers, Daniel> > Emre > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Daniel Spies<daniel.spies@fuceekay.com>> wrote: > >> So you''re using the F8 kernel in Ubuntu 7.04? >> Or do you run F9 kernel in F8? >> >> Regarding to the messages, there is no dom0 support at all in F9. >> It will be added to rawhide/F10 and if it works fine they will add it to >> F9, too. >> >> [QUOTE] >> > Then what would be the Dom0 kernel in Fedora 9? >> >> Nothing. >> >> There will *not* be any Dom0 kernel in Fedora 9 GA release. People who >> need Dom0 should stay on Fedora 8. We will work on Dom0 for Fedora 10, >> and if it is stable enough release it as an Fedora 9 update after GA. >> >> Dan. >> -- >> [/QUOTE] >> >> Cheers, >> Daniel >> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:55:43 +0200, "Emre ERENOGLU" <erenoglu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Daniel, >> > >> > you can give a try to F8''s 2.6.21 based dom0 kernel on your F9. It''s >> > working >> > fine on my Ubuntu 7.04. >> > >> > Is there no dom0 support at all in F9? >> > >> > Emre >> > >> > >> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Daniel Spies >> <daniel.spies@fuceekay.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hell, I was about to give Fedora 9 a try, and now it turns out it''s > not >> >> working for the dom0. What does that mean exactly for F9? I cannot > run >> > F9 >> >> as dom0 at all/only restricted functionality? And anyone knows where > to >> >> find out if they already put the working kernel into F10/rawhide? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> On Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:09 -0400, "Todd Deshane" > <deshantm@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> You should take a look at Fedora''s release notes on virtualisation > : >> >> >> * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora8VirtQuickStart : > Fedora >> >> Core >> >> > 8 >> >> >> uses Xen 3.1 >> >> >> * tomorrow Fedora Core 9 will be released and includes Xen 3.2 : > see >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-Virtualization.htmland>> >> >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Be careful here. Fedora 9 is not going to have a Dom0 kernel >> according >> >> to: >> >> > >> > > http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-paravirt_ops-kernel-xen-td15876181.html >> >> > >> >> > There will be an updated domU kernel for Fedora 9 though. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > As for best out of box distro, I have been testing Ubuntu 8.04 with >> > the >> >> > fixed >> >> > Linux kernel packages from >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > http://downloads.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_8.04_server_xen_from_repositories/ >> >> > >> >> > I have been quite impressed at how well things work "out of the > box", >> > I >> >> > can >> >> > send a HOWTO with some >> >> > potential tricky points if people are interested. I will post it >> > online >> >> > somewhere once I have time >> >> > to make it more polished and do some more testing. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > Todd >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xen-users mailing list >> >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Emre Erenoglu >> > erenoglu@gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Emre Erenoglu > erenoglu@gmail.com_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Grant McWilliams
2008-May-13 16:31 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Best distro with out of the box xensupport?
How can a project say they have Xen 3.2 in the disto when it can''t actually function as a Dom0? Isn''t the Xen version basically tied to Dom0? Can you run Xen 3.04 on the Com0 and 3.2 on DomU and is there any benefit? Unfortunately after all of us Redhat customers virtualized our servers they want to move away from it in the next EL release. :-( Grant _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Mark Williamson
2008-May-13 18:38 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Best distro with out of the box xensupport?
> How can a project say they have Xen 3.2 in the disto when it can''t actually > function as a Dom0? Isn''t the Xen version > basically tied to Dom0? Can you run Xen 3.04 on the Com0 and 3.2 on DomU > and is there any benefit?For some time now the dom0 kernel version has not been tied to the Xen version. This may have started around Xen 3.0.3 or 3.0.4, I can''t remember exactly. Anyhow, since then you''ve been free to mix-and-match Xen and dom0 kernel versions. The only caveat is that you don''t necessarily get access to all of the latest features if you''re using an older dom0 kernel (e.g. 32-on-64 requires awareness in the dom0 kernel as well as in Xen. If your dom0 kernel is too old, this feature will not work). It''s an unfortunate situation that F9 doesn''t have a dom0 kernel at all, though. Still the solution they''re persuing (dom0 paravirt-ops) is a much better solution long term.> Unfortunately after all of us Redhat customers virtualized our servers they > want to move away from it in the next EL release. :-(Is that an official policy? I was under the impression that dom0 support was intended to be returned for F10, once a paravirt-ops dom0 was under way. I can''t find any definitive statements on what virtualization technology will be in RHEL 6, other than an assurance by Ulrich Drepper that the best solution will be chosen (http://udrepper.livejournal.com/15795.html). Ulrich also mentions one of a number of approaches for supporting Xen guests under KVM, so if RHEL were to move away from the Xen hypervisor that wouldn''t have to entail breaking backwards compatibility. Personally I''d be surprised if RedHat didn''t support Xenified RHEL 5 (and RHEL 4) guests under RHEL 6, whatever virtualiser they eventually choose for that OS. Cheers, Mark -- Push Me Pull You - Distributed SCM tool (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~maw48/pmpu/) _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users