Hello,
I need some help please.
I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn''t have
X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers through SSH
and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for something better (more
Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or Console(Unless I have to). I
have
made the kernels and now only need the tools to control xen.
I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And seen
others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help I need to
only compile the needed components. If anyone could point me in the
right direction I would appreciate it.
If I need to take this to a different list please let me know.
Thank you
Shane
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Shane D. Johnson wrote:> Hello, > I need some help please. > I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn''t have > X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers through > SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for something better > (more Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or Console(Unless I have > to). I have made the kernels and now only need the tools to control xen. > I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And seen > others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help I need to > only compile the needed components. If anyone could point me in the > right direction I would appreciate it. If I need to take this to a > different list please let me know. > > Thank you > ShaneWhy do you want to do this? Unweaving the X requirements for the VNC or SDL graphical console support sounds like a great deal of pain. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Nico, I am trying to build a minimal server with Apache and Qmail(Most likely) in separate domains with only the programs and services necessary to run these programs on each domain. I am doing this to keep the disk space small (for performance and backup), the performance high , and the security threats down (only have running what you need). Thanks Shane Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >> Hello, >> I need some help please. >> I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn''t have >> X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers through >> SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for something better >> (more Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or Console(Unless I have >> to). I have made the kernels and now only need the tools to control >> xen. >> I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And seen >> others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help I need >> to only compile the needed components. If anyone could point me in >> the right direction I would appreciate it. If I need to take this >> to a different list please let me know. >> >> Thank you >> Shane > Why do you want to do this? Unweaving the X requirements for the VNC > or SDL graphical console support sounds like a great deal of pain._______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Shane D. Johnson wrote:> Nico, > > I am trying to build a minimal server with Apache and Qmail(Most > likely) in separate domains with only the programs and services > necessary to run these programs on each domain. I am doing this to > keep the disk space small (for performance and backup), the > performance high , and the security threats down (only have running > what you need). > > Thanks > Shane > > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I need some help please. >>> I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn''t have >>> X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers through >>> SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for something better >>> (more Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or Console(Unless I have >>> to). I have made the kernels and now only need the tools to control >>> xen. >>> I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And seen >>> others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help I need >>> to only compile the needed components. If anyone could point me in >>> the right direction I would appreciate it. If I need to take this >>> to a different list please let me know. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Shane >> Why do you want to do this? Unweaving the X requirements for the VNC >> or SDL graphical console support sounds like a great deal of pain. >Ahh. Not an unusual approach, but resolving the compilation dependencies sounds quite painful. Do not use telnet. Spending all that work on security, then using telnet, is like picking a 37-character mixed case password and then taping it to your monitor because you can''t remember it: it rather defeats the purpose. It may be possible to compile, then rip out the X installation over the objections of the Xen dependencies. Have you tried that? _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >> Nico, >> >> I am trying to build a minimal server with Apache and Qmail(Most >> likely) in separate domains with only the programs and services >> necessary to run these programs on each domain. I am doing this to >> keep the disk space small (for performance and backup), the >> performance high , and the security threats down (only have running >> what you need). >> >> Thanks >> Shane >> >> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >>> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I need some help please. >>>> I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn''t >>>> have X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers >>>> through SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for something >>>> better (more Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or Console(Unless I >>>> have to). I have made the kernels and now only need the tools to >>>> control xen. >>>> I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And seen >>>> others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help I need >>>> to only compile the needed components. If anyone could point me in >>>> the right direction I would appreciate it. If I need to take >>>> this to a different list please let me know. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Shane >>> Why do you want to do this? Unweaving the X requirements for the VNC >>> or SDL graphical console support sounds like a great deal of pain. >> > Ahh. Not an unusual approach, but resolving the compilation > dependencies sounds quite painful. > > Do not use telnet. Spending all that work on security, then using > telnet, is like picking a 37-character mixed case password and then > taping it to your monitor because you can''t remember it: it rather > defeats the purpose. > > It may be possible to compile, then rip out the X installation over > the objections of the Xen dependencies. Have you tried that?Nico, Not sure if this is what you mean or not but here is what I have tried..... I did the make world (Which failed of course.) I then did a make linux-2.6-xen0-config CONFIGMETHOD=menuconfig etc. and got the kernel to build successfully. I then did cd into each directory and down as far as I could to make each tool I wanted individually and the make would always fail with the X dependency problems. I am going to try it again tonight to see if I can get it work work this way. Is there a way to turn off the building of programs I don''t want ? (ex. --without-console --without-vnc) Thanks Shane _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Shane D. Johnson wrote:> > > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >>> Nico, >>> >>> I am trying to build a minimal server with Apache and Qmail(Most >>> likely) in separate domains with only the programs and services >>> necessary to run these programs on each domain. I am doing this to >>> keep the disk space small (for performance and backup), the >>> performance high , and the security threats down (only have running >>> what you need). >>> >>> Thanks >>> Shane >>> >>> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >>>> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I need some help please. >>>>> I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn''t >>>>> have X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers >>>>> through SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for something >>>>> better (more Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or Console(Unless >>>>> I have to). I have made the kernels and now only need the tools >>>>> to control xen. >>>>> I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And seen >>>>> others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help I >>>>> need to only compile the needed components. If anyone could point >>>>> me in the right direction I would appreciate it. If I need to >>>>> take this to a different list please let me know. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Shane >>>> Why do you want to do this? Unweaving the X requirements for the >>>> VNC or SDL graphical console support sounds like a great deal of pain. >>> >> Ahh. Not an unusual approach, but resolving the compilation >> dependencies sounds quite painful. >> >> Do not use telnet. Spending all that work on security, then using >> telnet, is like picking a 37-character mixed case password and then >> taping it to your monitor because you can''t remember it: it rather >> defeats the purpose. >> >> It may be possible to compile, then rip out the X installation over >> the objections of the Xen dependencies. Have you tried that? > > Nico, > Not sure if this is what you mean or not but here is what I have > tried..... I did the make world (Which failed of course.) I then did a > make linux-2.6-xen0-config CONFIGMETHOD=menuconfig etc. and got the > kernel to build successfully. I then did cd into each directory and > down as far as I could to make each tool I wanted individually and the > make would always fail with the X dependency problems. I am going to > try it again tonight to see if I can get it work work this way. Is > there a way to turn off the building of programs I don''t want ? (ex. > --without-console --without-vnc)Dude, you''re doing package management and dependency management *MANUALLY*? For cripes sake, why not use a reasonable package management system like apt or RPM? I''ve not tried to turn off the various console access utilities: you''d have to read the autoconf and Makefile options to see what is available. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Shane D. Johnson wrote:> Hello, > I need some help please. > I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn''t have > X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers through > SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for something better > (more Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or Console(Unless I have > to). I have made the kernels and now only need the tools to control xen. > I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And seen > others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help I need to > only compile the needed components. If anyone could point me in the > right direction I would appreciate it. If I need to take this to a > different list please let me know. > > Thank you > Shane > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-usersAll you need is the X libs, you don''t have to actually run X on the server. It sounds like you''re just trying to complicate things. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Michael,
I say your post yesterday and to I compiled X11R7.2 up to the libs
only and tried Xen again and still had the same result. Do I need to go
further and compile more of X11? I am having a hard time understanding
why even the libs are needed and why I can''t just get the kernels and
tools I need without them? Can anyone shed some light on why this is?
Shane
Michael Watters wrote:> Shane D. Johnson wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I need some help please.
>> I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that
doesn''t have
>> X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers through
>> SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for something better
>> (more Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or Console(Unless I
have
>> to). I have made the kernels and now only need the tools to control
>> xen.
>> I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And seen
>> others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help I
need
>> to only compile the needed components. If anyone could point me in
>> the right direction I would appreciate it. If I need to take this
>> to a different list please let me know.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Shane
>>
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> All you need is the X libs, you don''t have to actually run X on
the
> server. It sounds like you''re just trying to complicate things.
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >> >> >> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >>> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >>>> Nico, >>>> >>>> I am trying to build a minimal server with Apache and Qmail(Most >>>> likely) in separate domains with only the programs and services >>>> necessary to run these programs on each domain. I am doing this to >>>> keep the disk space small (for performance and backup), the >>>> performance high , and the security threats down (only have running >>>> what you need). >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Shane >>>> >>>> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >>>>> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> I need some help please. >>>>>> I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn''t >>>>>> have X11 or Xorg installed. I would like to control the servers >>>>>> through SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for >>>>>> something better (more Secure)). I wouldn''t be using VNC or >>>>>> Console(Unless I have to). I have made the kernels and now only >>>>>> need the tools to control xen. >>>>>> I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And >>>>>> seen others ask) but can''t seem to find the Documentation or help >>>>>> I need to only compile the needed components. If anyone could >>>>>> point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. If I >>>>>> need to take this to a different list please let me know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Shane >>>>> Why do you want to do this? Unweaving the X requirements for the >>>>> VNC or SDL graphical console support sounds like a great deal of >>>>> pain. >>>> >>> Ahh. Not an unusual approach, but resolving the compilation >>> dependencies sounds quite painful. >>> >>> Do not use telnet. Spending all that work on security, then using >>> telnet, is like picking a 37-character mixed case password and then >>> taping it to your monitor because you can''t remember it: it rather >>> defeats the purpose. >>> >>> It may be possible to compile, then rip out the X installation over >>> the objections of the Xen dependencies. Have you tried that? >> >> Nico, >> Not sure if this is what you mean or not but here is what I have >> tried..... I did the make world (Which failed of course.) I then did >> a make linux-2.6-xen0-config CONFIGMETHOD=menuconfig etc. and got the >> kernel to build successfully. I then did cd into each directory and >> down as far as I could to make each tool I wanted individually and >> the make would always fail with the X dependency problems. I am >> going to try it again tonight to see if I can get it work work this >> way. Is there a way to turn off the building of programs I don''t >> want ? (ex. --without-console --without-vnc) > Dude, you''re doing package management and dependency management > *MANUALLY*? For cripes sake, why not use a reasonable package > management system like apt or RPM? > > I''ve not tried to turn off the various console access utilities: you''d > have to read the autoconf and Makefile options to see what is available.Nico, I appreciate your help on this, I have gone through both the files mentioned and can''t find a way to do it without X. I will keep digging though. Can anyone tell me why I get a build fail for xenctrl on some of the binaries? As far as the package management, I am doing it manually so I can see everything that goes into the system. I am using this as a learning experience. Shane _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Shane D. Johnson wrote:> Michael, > I say your post yesterday and to I compiled X11R7.2 up to the libs > only and tried Xen again and still had the same result. Do I need to > go further and compile more of X11? I am having a hard time > understanding why even the libs are needed and why I can''t just get > the kernels and tools I need without them? Can anyone shed some light > on why this is?Because unless you want to spend quite a lot of time reverse engineering the Xen installer to exclude the X-based utilities, like support for the VNC consoles, it''s probably not worth the pain. This is where a managed software system like deb or RPM has an advantage: the components like libraries and include files are already segmented out for you, to support exactly this sort of requirement. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:> Shane D. Johnson wrote: >> Michael, >> I say your post yesterday and to I compiled X11R7.2 up to the libs >> only and tried Xen again and still had the same result. Do I need to >> go further and compile more of X11? I am having a hard time >> understanding why even the libs are needed and why I can''t just get >> the kernels and tools I need without them? Can anyone shed some >> light on why this is? > Because unless you want to spend quite a lot of time reverse > engineering the Xen installer to exclude the X-based utilities, like > support for the VNC consoles, it''s probably not worth the pain. > > This is where a managed software system like deb or RPM has an > advantage: the components like libraries and include files are already > segmented out for you, to support exactly this sort of requirement. > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-usersExactly. Install CentOS, select the "Virtualization" option, and you''re done. Well, there is a 2nd step. yum install xauth vncviewer xauth depends on xorb-libs which will be installed automatically, that should be all you need to get domUs running and view them using VNC. You may also want to set selinux=0 in the kernel options in GRUB, I couldn''t get domains to boot an iso file with it enabled. I''m sure there''s a way to set SELinux to allow it but didn''t have time to mess with it. I''m a big fan of the KISS principle, compiling everything from source is a waste of time for almost no gain. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users