Xen users - May 2007 - Windows 2003 x64 under Debian amd64 - hangs on "Setup is Starting Windows"

I''m just testing xen-3.0.4 on an amd64 machine (HP ML115), and trying
an
install of windows 2003 x64. So far it just hangs at "Starting
Windows",
which I assume is when the windows installation bootloader has loaded
enough drivers and is starting the windows kernel.

I''ve seen several other posts with the same problem, but most of them
appear to be resolved by hitting F5 and selecting "Standard PC". When
I
hit F5 I only get a choice of multiprocessor or uniprocessor.

Can anyone tell me if this is a known problem with xen-3.0.4 and my
configuration, or if they have such a configuration and have it working,
or if they have a more recent version of xen and have it working?

Thanks

James

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> -----Original Message-----
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> James Harper
> Sent: 18 May 2007 12:40
> To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: [Xen-users] Windows 2003 x64 under Debian amd64 - 
> hangs on "Setup is Starting Windows"
> 
> I''m just testing xen-3.0.4 on an amd64 machine (HP ML115), 
> and trying an
> install of windows 2003 x64. So far it just hangs at 
> "Starting Windows",
> which I assume is when the windows installation bootloader has loaded
> enough drivers and is starting the windows kernel.
> 
> I''ve seen several other posts with the same problem, but most of
them
> appear to be resolved by hitting F5 and selecting "Standard 
> PC". When I
> hit F5 I only get a choice of multiprocessor or uniprocessor.
> 
> Can anyone tell me if this is a known problem with xen-3.0.4 and my
> configuration, or if they have such a configuration and have 
> it working,
> or if they have a more recent version of xen and have it working?
I suspect there may be bugs in 3.0.4 with x86-64 guests on AMD
processors. You could give xen-3.1-testing.hg a try, if you are up for
building your own Xen version. Otherwise, wait for the pre-built 3.1 to
come out in a few days. 

--
Mats
> 
> Thanks
> 
> James
> 
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> 
> I suspect there may be bugs in 3.0.4 with x86-64 guests on AMD
> processors. You could give xen-3.1-testing.hg a try, if you are up for
> building your own Xen version. Otherwise, wait for the pre-built 3.1
to
> come out in a few days.
> 
Thanks for that. I''m downloading it now. The last time I did a build
was
back around 3.0.1, but I think I''ll manage :)

My only concern is how it will play with the Debian version I have on
there now... might be easier to just hack the current 3.0.3 Debian patch
to work on 3.1.0...

Any idea if a kernel compiled against 3.0.3 (eg the stock Debian Xen
kernel) will work under the 3.1.0 hypervisor?

Thanks again.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Harper [mailto:james.harper@bendigoit.com.au] 
> Sent: 18 May 2007 13:00
> To: Petersson, Mats; xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows 2003 x64 under Debian amd64 
> - hangs on "Setup is Starting Windows"
> 
> > 
> > I suspect there may be bugs in 3.0.4 with x86-64 guests on AMD
> > processors. You could give xen-3.1-testing.hg a try, if you 
> are up for
> > building your own Xen version. Otherwise, wait for the pre-built 3.1
> to
> > come out in a few days.
> > 
> 
> Thanks for that. I''m downloading it now. The last time I did 
> a build was
> back around 3.0.1, but I think I''ll manage :)
> 
> My only concern is how it will play with the Debian version I have on
> there now... might be easier to just hack the current 3.0.3 
> Debian patch
> to work on 3.1.0...
> 
> Any idea if a kernel compiled against 3.0.3 (eg the stock Debian Xen
> kernel) will work under the 3.1.0 hypervisor?
When you build the 3.1.0, you automagically get a 2.6.18 kernel, which
by all means should work with your debian installation, so I don''t see
why you should need to make it work. 

However, I do believe the Xen supports backwards compatibility within
3.x, so it SHOULD work to use your old kernel. [No guarantees tho!]

--
Mats
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> 


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I successfully run Windows 2003 x64 on Xen 3.0.4. I used gentoo 2007.0
ditro on top on Intle Xeon processor.

Looking on your description I wander that you enable acpi and apic in the
quest configuration file. It is required if you want to use more than 1
vcpus for the quest.

The F5 solution that you describe is when you want select specific HAL.DLL
version witch is responsible for managing CPUs (as well as some other
things probably :) ). But if you give 1 vcpu and disable acpi and apic the
istaler schould use the "Standard PC" version of HAL.

The problem you describe I had when I test XEN 3.0.3 from openSuse. But in
3.0.4 the fix the APIC tables for CPU descriptions (at last for 2 vcpus).

--
ASEC S.A.
Bartłomiej Dubas

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To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com
Subject: [Xen-users] Windows 2003 x64 under Debian amd64 - hangs on "Setup
is Starting Windows"

I''m just testing xen-3.0.4 on an amd64 machine (HP ML115), and trying
an
install of windows 2003 x64. So far it just hangs at "Starting
Windows",
which I assume is when the windows installation bootloader has loaded
enough drivers and is starting the windows kernel.

I''ve seen several other posts with the same problem, but most of them
appear to be resolved by hitting F5 and selecting "Standard PC". When
I
hit F5 I only get a choice of multiprocessor or uniprocessor.

Can anyone tell me if this is a known problem with xen-3.0.4 and my
configuration, or if they have such a configuration and have it working,
or if they have a more recent version of xen and have it working?

Thanks

James

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Thanks james/mats - I don''t know of any bugs with win2k3 64b with 3.0.4
though - or with 3.1.0.  we''re also testing the win2k3 SP2 with most
recent rollout (march?) to eliminate the extra TPR intercepts for 32b.

3.0.4 is the base in SLES10SP1 and that is working well with win2k3
guests, but it''s been tweaked a bit with backported patches. 
We''ve also
tested win2k3 SMP (2,3,4 VCPUs) and those worked (acpi/apic/pae=1 in
guest config).
But please let us know if you do have any issues with 3.1.0 after you
give a spin, we''ll take a look and try to match your
environment/configuration..
Regards,
tom

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> James Harper
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:00 AM
> To: Petersson, Mats; xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows 2003 x64 under Debian amd64 
> - hangs on "Setup is Starting Windows"
> 
> > 
> > I suspect there may be bugs in 3.0.4 with x86-64 guests on AMD 
> > processors. You could give xen-3.1-testing.hg a try, if you 
> are up for 
> > building your own Xen version. Otherwise, wait for the pre-built 3.1
> to
> > come out in a few days.
> > 
> 
> Thanks for that. I''m downloading it now. The last time I did 
> a build was back around 3.0.1, but I think I''ll manage :)
> 
> My only concern is how it will play with the Debian version I 
> have on there now... might be easier to just hack the current 
> 3.0.3 Debian patch to work on 3.1.0...
> 
> Any idea if a kernel compiled against 3.0.3 (eg the stock Debian Xen
> kernel) will work under the 3.1.0 hypervisor?
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> James
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Xen-users mailing list
> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> 
> 
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I''m now installing the 32 bit version of windows and it is well past
the
point where the 64 bit version hung.

Is there anything I need to specify to Xen that it should be using a 64
bit hvm? Or are all hvm''s created equal and just depend on the
underlying hardware?

Thanks

James
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> bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of James Harper
> Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 21:40
> To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: [Xen-users] Windows 2003 x64 under Debian amd64 - hangs on
> "Setupis Starting Windows"
> 
> I''m just testing xen-3.0.4 on an amd64 machine (HP ML115), and
trying
an
> install of windows 2003 x64. So far it just hangs at "Starting
Windows",
> which I assume is when the windows installation bootloader has loaded
> enough drivers and is starting the windows kernel.
> 
> I''ve seen several other posts with the same problem, but most of
them
> appear to be resolved by hitting F5 and selecting "Standard PC".
When
I
> hit F5 I only get a choice of multiprocessor or uniprocessor.
> 
> Can anyone tell me if this is a known problem with xen-3.0.4 and my
> configuration, or if they have such a configuration and have it
working,
> or if they have a more recent version of xen and have it working?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> James
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Xen-users mailing list
> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
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AMD has tested windows 2003 SP1/SP2 64b HVM guests with xen 3.1 without
any issues on AMD-V, uniproc and SMP HALs.  Also, 1, 2, 3, 4 VCPUs, and
using pae/acpi/apic=1 in guest config file.
SLES10SP1 is based on 3.0.4 and that also passed testing, but there were
some backported patches that might help with APIC/ACPI. 
So, there could be some issues with base 3.0.4 and windows 64b HVM
guests, I''ll look at the older test logs and see if there were any
known
issues, including with apci/apic settings for install.

Bottom line is if you use 3.1 you should be fine with win2003 64bit on
AMD-v.

tom
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> James Harper
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:53 PM
> To: James Harper; xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows 2003 x64 under Debian amd64 
> - hangs on "Setupis Starting Windows"
> 
> I''m now installing the 32 bit version of windows and it is 
> well past the point where the 64 bit version hung.
> 
> Is there anything I need to specify to Xen that it should be 
> using a 64 bit hvm? Or are all hvm''s created equal and just 
> depend on the underlying hardware?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> James
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users- 
> > bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of James Harper
> > Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 21:40
> > To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> > Subject: [Xen-users] Windows 2003 x64 under Debian amd64 - hangs on 
> > "Setupis Starting Windows"
> > 
> > I''m just testing xen-3.0.4 on an amd64 machine (HP ML115), 
> and trying
> an
> > install of windows 2003 x64. So far it just hangs at "Starting
> Windows",
> > which I assume is when the windows installation bootloader 
> has loaded 
> > enough drivers and is starting the windows kernel.
> > 
> > I''ve seen several other posts with the same problem, but 
> most of them 
> > appear to be resolved by hitting F5 and selecting "Standard 
> PC". When
> I
> > hit F5 I only get a choice of multiprocessor or uniprocessor.
> > 
> > Can anyone tell me if this is a known problem with xen-3.0.4 and my 
> > configuration, or if they have such a configuration and have it
> working,
> > or if they have a more recent version of xen and have it working?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > James
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> I suspect there may be bugs in 3.0.4 with x86-64 guests on AMD
> processors. You could give xen-3.1-testing.hg a try, if you are up for
> building your own Xen version. Otherwise, wait for the pre-built 3.1
> to come out in a few days.
I''ve just built the Debian packages for 3.1.0 and the x64 install of
2003  gets much further. It''s up to asking me for Regional and Language
now, and I have no reason to suspect that it will give me any further
problems (but have run out of time to spend on it until tonight)

Thanks

James

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