carlopmart
2006-Sep-22 14:48 UTC
[Xen-users] Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
Hi all,
I need to deploy several virtual machines (windows and RHEL) on my
laptop to do some demostrations to our customers. At this moment, my
laptop is a RHEL 4 ES U1 with xen enabled kernel 3.0.2 downloaded from
xensource.com (rpm packages) on a Pentium M 2GHz. My idea is to install
VMWare Server on this laptop on dom0 (not on any virtual machine) using
xen kernel sources from rpm packages. is this possible???
Many thanks
--
CL Martinez
carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com
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Janke Dávid
2006-Sep-22 14:55 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
Hi! Few weeks ago, I asked the same. Only one person posted a positive reply. Since then I tried to install vmware-server on domU and dom0, but I failed. Vmware kernel modules compile succesfully on dom0, but loading vmmon.kofailes due to a slight difference in kernel versions (I don''t know why that happens since it''s the kernel source for the dom0 kernel). I''ll try few times more and will report if I succeed. Best regards, David On 9/22/06, carlopmart <carlopmart@gmail.com> wrote:> > Hi all, > > I need to deploy several virtual machines (windows and RHEL) on my > laptop to do some demostrations to our customers. At this moment, my > laptop is a RHEL 4 ES U1 with xen enabled kernel 3.0.2 downloaded from > xensource.com (rpm packages) on a Pentium M 2GHz. My idea is to install > VMWare Server on this laptop on dom0 (not on any virtual machine) using > xen kernel sources from rpm packages. is this possible??? > > Many thanks > -- > CL Martinez > carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Petersson, Mats
2006-Sep-22 15:03 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
> -----Original Message----- > From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com > [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of carlopmart > Sent: 22 September 2006 15:48 > To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com > Subject: [Xen-users] Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 > enabled kernel > > Hi all, > > I need to deploy several virtual machines (windows and RHEL) on my > laptop to do some demostrations to our customers. At this moment, my > laptop is a RHEL 4 ES U1 with xen enabled kernel 3.0.2 > downloaded from > xensource.com (rpm packages) on a Pentium M 2GHz. My idea is > to install > VMWare Server on this laptop on dom0 (not on any virtual > machine) using > xen kernel sources from rpm packages. is this possible???This would only work if Vmware''s kernel modules are co-operative vs. the Xen-kernel, which I very much doubt that they are. VMWare''s kernel module needs to know similar things that the Xen-kernel tracks and "hides" from the domains, such as the REAL memory layout [machine physical], the REAL register content for certain control registers, etc, etc. I haven''t tried, so I can''t say for sure, but I wouldn''t expect it to work, as the two versions of Virtual Machine Monitor would have to "fight" over the same resources, and they are not co-operating in any way. If someone from VMWare is on this mailing list, maybe they could comment further. -- Mats> > Many thanks > -- > CL Martinez > carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > > >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
carlopmart
2006-Sep-23 08:08 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
Petersson, Mats wrote:> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com >> [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of carlopmart >> Sent: 22 September 2006 15:48 >> To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> Subject: [Xen-users] Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 >> enabled kernel >> >> Hi all, >> >> I need to deploy several virtual machines (windows and RHEL) on my >> laptop to do some demostrations to our customers. At this moment, my >> laptop is a RHEL 4 ES U1 with xen enabled kernel 3.0.2 >> downloaded from >> xensource.com (rpm packages) on a Pentium M 2GHz. My idea is >> to install >> VMWare Server on this laptop on dom0 (not on any virtual >> machine) using >> xen kernel sources from rpm packages. is this possible??? > > This would only work if Vmware''s kernel modules are co-operative vs. the > Xen-kernel, which I very much doubt that they are. VMWare''s kernel > module needs to know similar things that the Xen-kernel tracks and > "hides" from the domains, such as the REAL memory layout [machine > physical], the REAL register content for certain control registers, etc, > etc. > > I haven''t tried, so I can''t say for sure, but I wouldn''t expect it to > work, as the two versions of Virtual Machine Monitor would have to > "fight" over the same resources, and they are not co-operating in any > way. > > If someone from VMWare is on this mailing list, maybe they could comment > further. > > -- > Mats >> Many thanks >> -- >> CL Martinez >> carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> >> >> > > >many thanks to all. I have tested and it doesn''t works ...:(( -- CL Martinez carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Tim Post
2006-Sep-24 16:40 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
I''ve heard of plenty of success with xen under vmware, but never vice-versa. To my knowledge xen under vmware ha never been used in production. It was done really just to see if it would work. I noted it because it seemed a handy way to test mock up networks running 2.0.7 and 3.0.2, with some things (such as para virtualized clusters) married to 2.0.7. I figured that any client would pay me more for time spent getting such a setup working than they would just leasing another cheap p4 that I never really explored it much. Reminds me of the Russian doll, in a doll, in a doll toy. Best, -Tim> This would only work if Vmware''s kernel modules are co-operative vs. the > Xen-kernel, which I very much doubt that they are. VMWare''s kernel > module needs to know similar things that the Xen-kernel tracks and > "hides" from the domains, such as the REAL memory layout [machine > physical], the REAL register content for certain control registers, etc, > etc. > > I haven''t tried, so I can''t say for sure, but I wouldn''t expect it to > work, as the two versions of Virtual Machine Monitor would have to > "fight" over the same resources, and they are not co-operating in any > way. > > If someone from VMWare is on this mailing list, maybe they could comment > further. > > -- > Mats > > > > Many thanks > > -- > > CL Martinez > > carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xen-users mailing list > > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Anthony Liguori
2006-Sep-25 22:07 UTC
[Xen-users] RE: Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:03:34 +0200, Petersson, Mats wrote:> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com >> [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of carlopmart >> Sent: 22 September 2006 15:48 >> To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> Subject: [Xen-users] Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled >> kernel >> >> Hi all, >> >> I need to deploy several virtual machines (windows and RHEL) on my >> laptop to do some demostrations to our customers. At this moment, my >> laptop is a RHEL 4 ES U1 with xen enabled kernel 3.0.2 downloaded from >> xensource.com (rpm packages) on a Pentium M 2GHz. My idea is to install >> VMWare Server on this laptop on dom0 (not on any virtual machine) using >> xen kernel sources from rpm packages. is this possible??? > > This would only work if Vmware''s kernel modules are co-operative vs. the > Xen-kernel, which I very much doubt that they are. VMWare''s kernel module > needs to know similar things that the Xen-kernel tracks and "hides" from > the domains, such as the REAL memory layout [machine physical], the REAL > register content for certain control registers, etc, etc.VMware is known to not work under Xen (for the reasons you cite). I suggest giving QEMU a try. Regards, Anthony Liguori> I haven''t tried, so I can''t say for sure, but I wouldn''t expect it to > work, as the two versions of Virtual Machine Monitor would have to "fight" > over the same resources, and they are not co-operating in any way. > > If someone from VMWare is on this mailing list, maybe they could comment > further. > > -- > Mats >> >> Many thanks >> -- >> CL Martinez >> carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com >> >> _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> >> >>_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Javier Guerra
2006-Sep-25 22:29 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] RE: Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
On Monday 25 September 2006 5:07 pm, Anthony Liguori wrote:> VMware is known to not work under Xen (for the reasons you cite). > > I suggest giving QEMU a try.QEMU does work, but not kQEMU (for the same reasons) -- Javier _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Christian Horn
2006-Sep-26 06:07 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] RE: Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 05:29:11PM -0500, Javier Guerra wrote:> > QEMU does work, but not kQEMU (for the same reasons)For kqemu its only technical reasons though, maybe vmware also prohibits this for business-reasons. Xen is OpenSource unlike vmware, so maybe technically the kqemu could be programmed to access the needed stuff on the xen-kernel running under dom0 ? Christian _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Petersson, Mats
2006-Sep-26 09:33 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] RE: Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
> -----Original Message----- > From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com > [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of > Christian Horn > Sent: 26 September 2006 07:07 > To: Javier Guerra > Cc: xen-users@lists.xensource.com > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] RE: Compiling VMWare server against > xen dom0 enabled kernel > > On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 05:29:11PM -0500, Javier Guerra wrote: > > > > QEMU does work, but not kQEMU (for the same reasons) > > For kqemu its only technical reasons though, maybe vmware > also prohibits > this for business-reasons. Xen is OpenSource unlike vmware, so maybe > technically the kqemu could be programmed to access the needed stuff > on the xen-kernel running under dom0 ?I''m pretty sure the kQEMU could be made to work under Xen, if anyone feels strongly that it''s needed. There''s probably little reason for VMWare to not work under Xen either, from purely technical reasons, but they have business reasons, as you mention, to not want to do this... -- Mats> > > Christian > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > > >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Javier Guerra
2006-Sep-26 13:25 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] RE: Compiling VMWare server against xen dom0 enabled kernel
On Tuesday 26 September 2006 1:07 am, Christian Horn wrote:> For kqemu its only technical reasons though, maybe vmware also prohibits > this for business-reasons. Xen is OpenSource unlike vmware, so maybe > technically the kqemu could be programmed to access the needed stuff > on the xen-kernel running under dom0 ?(as others have pointed, kqemu isn''t open source) it could be rewritten to work under Xen, but it hasn''t (yet? ask fabrice). i guess he would first wait until Xen''s API stabilises a bit more, but i have no idea how detail-sensitive this work is QVM86 OTOH, is GPL and has as a goal both to run on Xen and to run Xen under it. but last time i saw it was still very unstable. of course, fabrice isn''t the only genius around there, so there''s hope. and for HVM... its a long-overdue hack; but only a hack over a hack over a hack, as most x86 things. on more sane processors this kind of things are so much cleaner and actually have been working for years. eg: Mac-On-Linux (MOL) runs MacOS X unmodified under PowerPC Linux. -- Javier _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users