wine users - Aug 2011 - Wine 1.3.26 no output from linux console to windows console

I have some problems with wineconsole.

2.6.39-gentoo-r3 #1 MSD 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel
GNU/Linux, KDE 4.
Wine 1.3.26,
KDE 4.6,
Xorg 1.10.2

1. No output from linux console to cmd

wineconsole cmd

dir - gives the correct output from the current directory 

uptime : empty output, though the program is found and started 
uptimenonexistent  : File not found 

ls -l : empty output
lsnonexistent -l : File not found

curl http://www.winehq.org > winehq.org - downloads the index page to
winegq.org file correctly, but still without any output to CMD

Conclusion: Linux programs are starting in wineconsole cmd but there is no reply
from them in cmd.

When I start wineconsole cmd in Kconsole the output of ls -l is redirected to
kconsole, - I see the file list in kconsole but not in CMD

2. The second problem is related to FAR manager, when I start a command from FAR
command line a new console window is popped up and closed immediately after the
command is executed, no output in FAR console window as well.

I tried different combinations - nothing seems to help. Is it a bug? Does anyone
know about any solutions?

Thanks.

C3PO wrote:
> 1. No output from linux console to cmd
> wineconsole cmd
Wineconsole won't produce any output on the same terminal. It opens a new X
window to simulate windows' console. Don't use wineconsole if you need
to get output from a command into the same terminal.


C3PO wrote:
> 2. The second problem is related to FAR manager
Don't use far. It's not made for *NIX. There is a comparable replacement
midnight commander available.

C3PO wrote:
> Unfortunately there is nothing close to FAR on *NIX platform I used about
10 different file managers, MC included and they all suck compared to FAR.
You are welcome to make them better. Aside from few things MC as much if not
more powerful then Far, especially editor.

FAR won't ever be the right solution for *NIX. It doesn't understand
many things, and doesn't get the "first person view" on what's
going on with the system. But will have to look through Wine's goggles.

The only people who want to use Far on *NIX are ones who do not understand
system well enough. There are things that Far just can't do (just to name
major problems):
- Set correct file permissions
- Change group/ownership of files
- Create/show/edit symlinks
- Properly handle special files
- Correctly understand *NIX paths
- Handle multiple files with the same name but different case (eg
"file" and "File" and "FILE")

Martin Gregorie wrote:
> 
> 
> Sounds like as good a way of getting pwned as any. At least with
'su' or
> better, 'sudo', you'll know exactly when root access is at
risk.
> 
> 
> Martin

No risk at all, you got to tell far what user you want to use to open a panel
first (you have to login). You can either store password with FAR or type in
your password before opening a panel. You all so see what user is used on each
panel and how you want your panel to serve you (can you execute commands or just
edit|view files). You can all so tell far to use sudo to open a panel.

As to the usability - can you give any reason why MC won't show different
commands (F1-F10) when ALT is hold or SHIFT is hold or CTL+ALT is hold - why it
won't change command options at the bottom of the screen? It doesn't
make sense. In FAR holding shift - gives you an alternative command set, holding
ALT+SHIFT - another, CTL - another so everything is self - evident. It's
just a small example.

FAR is built with this intuitive self explaining interface which makes it so
easy to handle, it's light and fast. FAR could be extended with plugins over
the years a lot of people contributed to FAR and you can integrate in far things
like browsing registry (on windows). FAR supports HTTP protocol as well. You can
open a site in it's left panel. It can highlight syntax of any text file,
check spells, THOUSANDS of plugins.

Take a look
http://plugring.farmanager.com/index.php?l=en

And far itself is just a convenient shell it isn't focused on syntax
highlight or spell it just provides a convenient interface. It's has very
much the spirit of GNU software and if it only was designed for UNIX in the
first place it would be the N1 choice of any UX user.

I programmed a lot of soft in this shell it is so fast so universal so reliable
I miss it a lot on NIX platform. :-(

The only design problem of FAR is it's internal structure. If you look into
the sources you'll see that it cannot be easily ported on linux with all the
plugins.

I need WINE only for FAR and The BAT. The Bat is another program which is not
available on Linux....

Martin Gregorie wrote:
> 
> In any case, if you're serious about running graphical programs on
> remote hosts you're probably better off using VNC. Have you looked at
> that yet?
> 
> Martin

Thanks for the reply. 

It's not about graphical programs, FAR integrates a terminal like you're
using Putty in background of your panels (Pressing Ctrl-O shows that background)
FAR's panel could be linked to a remote host as well as to the local
filesystem. It's one of the features.

I can access inux box with RDP. Far is not about that. Thanks for a tip though.
Imagine like you have a file manager which can map anything in it's control
panels. Editor - yes, syntax highlight - sure, codpage convertor - why not,
remote host - of course . CVS - definitely. It's an unltimate solution for a
developers which saves a lot lot of time. You don't need anything else while
you're working in FAR :-)

Another way of thinking about far... imagine that all KDE AND linux terminal
functions are integrated in a text manager, just two panels with files and
buttons.  It rather completes the terminal to the full scale text user interface
to the host and remote system.

You could close windows' task manager and do the same with FAR about 10
times faster then with windows GUI.

It would be a swiss knife tool for Linux if it's ever ported to it.

C3PO there are quite a few file managers for Linux.

But when I read Far it reminds me of the evil god of editors emacs own
filemanager  Dired.

"Another way of thinking about far... imagine that all KDE AND linux
terminal functions are integrated in a text manager, just two panels with files
and buttons. It rather completes the terminal to the full scale text user
interface to the host and remote system. "  Yep emacs Dired

emacs is a ide of super scary.  Not that I use it much.
And its competitor http://vifm.sourceforge.net/.

Emacs can have its keymap and everything else customized.

Most times I have no need for an item like emacs. 

C3PO FAR running in wine is not ideal.  Since wine will not handle permissions
perfectly right.

midnight-commander is quite a reasonable all rounder.

Also something you missed about KDE filemanagers and most Linux filemangers.  Is
kde  file-managers all of them contain a view option to display a terminal.  F4
in Dolphin opens up a terminal at your current location so you can type in any
command line option your require performed.    So file-manager with 100 percent
access to all terminal features is perfectly normal.

fishshell exists for a reason when you learn the command line it can do a lot of
things quicky.

Linux basically has many swiss knife tools.

Also for developers I normally go kdevelop since it integrates lots of support. 
Basically you sound like you are treating FAR in the same way I treat my
development IDEs under Linux.  Advantage the tools built for development have a
lot of other nice wizards and code transformation features.

CVS is a mostly dead revision system.  You need to move up to svn or git or
something else in that class.

C3PO items like kdevelop and emacs are not commonly found on Windows.  So people
coming from windows are normally using filemanagers to hack over areas that are
better sorted by proper working ides.