wine users - Sep 2004 - Pb with Installshield (Dragon Naturaly Speaking) : not enough room on system drive

Hi !

I'm trying to install Dragon Naturally Speaking in a WINE "fake
windows"
setup, and I have troubles with InstallShield.

I tried this a while ago (with wine 20031212) and had *partial* success : 
The app installed, by I had trouble with the character set settings and 
botched the voice training, 'cause I couldn't read the screen ...

I reinstalled a new machine recently (the previous one died due to a 
failing power supply ...). Wine is now 20040716. I managed to install 
Office 2000 (and IE6, which is needed for MS Access ...), along with a 
couple other apps, working *great*. Note : yes, I *did* install DCOM98.

However, any time I try to install Dragon Naturally Speaking, I stumble on 
the fact that InstallShield is unable to see the free space on the system 
"disk" : according to the log, Wine reports -1 Mb free, while Dragon
tells
it needs 40 Mb. Therefore, InstallShield aborts the installation.

Has anyone any idea on how to pass this ? The relevant files are PS'd to 
this message.

BTW : Any exeriences/successes/failures with Dragon Naturally Speaking ? 
That's the one application I miss on Linux : since IBM botched its earlier 
attemps to port ViaVoice on modern Linuxes and withdrawed it, no one has 
(yet) created a working VR package ...

					Emmanuel Charpentier
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;; bug report, filter out empty lines and comments with
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;;
;; Each section has the following format:
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;;   directory structure.
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"Path" = "/floppy"
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[Drive C]
"Path" = "/home/charpent/.wine/fake_windows"
"Type" = "hd"
"Label" = "/home/charpent/.wine/fake_windows"
"Filesystem" = "win95"

[Drive D]
"Path" = "/mnt/hda1"
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"Label" = "/mnt/hda1"
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[Drive E]
"Path" = "/cdrom"
"Type" = "cdrom"
"Label" = "/cdrom"
"Filesystem" = "win95"
"Device" = "/dev/hdc"

[Drive X]
"Path" = "/tmp"
"Type" = "hd"
"Label" = "Tmp Drive"
"Filesystem" = "win95"

[Drive Y]
"Path" = "%HOME%"
"Type" = "network"
"Label" = "Home"
"Filesystem" = "win95"

[Drive Z]
"Path" = "/"
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"Label" = "Root"
"Filesystem" = "win95"

[wine]
"Windows" = "C:\\Windows"
"System" = "C:\\Windows\\System"
"Temp" = "X:\\"
"Path" =
"C:\\Windows;C:\\Windows\\System;X:\\;X:\\test;Y:\\"
"GraphicsDriver" = "x11drv"
; Wine doesn't pass directory symlinks to Windows programs by default.
; Enabling this may crash some programs that do recursive lookups of a whole
; subdir tree in case of a symlink pointing back to itself.
;"ShowDirSymlinks" = "1"
;"ShowDotFiles" = "1"
"ShellLinker" = "wineshelllink"

# [wineconf]

[Version]
; Windows version to imitate 
(win95,win98,winme,nt351,nt40,win2k,winxp,win2k3,win20,win30,win31)
"Windows" = "win98"
; DOS version to imitate
;"DOS" = "6.22"

; Be careful here, wrong DllOverrides settings have the potential
; to pretty much kill your setup.

[DllOverrides]
"oleaut32" = "native"
"ole32" = "native"
"commdlg" = "builtin, native"
"comdlg32" = "builtin, native"
"shell" = "builtin, native"
"shell32" = "builtin, native"
"shfolder" = "builtin, native"
"shlwapi" = "native"
"shdocvw" = "native"
"advapi32" = "builtin, native"
"msvcrt" = "native, builtin"
"mciavi.drv" = "native, builtin"
"mcianim.drv" = "native, builtin"
"msi" = "native, builtin"
"*" = "builtin, native"
"rpcrt4" = "native"
"urlmon" = "native"
"comctl32" = "builtin"
"wininet" = "native"
"crypt32" = "native"
"mshtml" = "native"
"odbc*" = "native, builtin"

[x11drv]
; Number of colors to allocate from the system palette
"AllocSystemColors" = "100"
; Use a private color map
"PrivateColorMap" = "N"
; Favor correctness over speed in some graphics operations
"PerfectGraphics" = "N"
; Color depth to use on multi-depth screens
;;"ScreenDepth" = "16"
; Name of X11 display to use
;;"Display" = ":0.0"
; Allow the window manager to manage created windows
"Managed" = "Y"
; Use a desktop window of 640x480 for Wine
;"Desktop" = "640x480"
; Use XFree86 DGA extension if present
; (make sure /dev/mem is accessible by you !)
"UseDGA" = "Y"
; Use XVidMode extension if present
"UseXVidMode" = "Y"
; Use XRandR extension if present
"UseXRandR" = "Y"
; Use the take focus protocol
"UseTakeFocus" = "Y"
; Enable DirectX mouse grab
"DXGrab" = "N"
; Create the desktop window with a double-buffered visual
; (useful to play OpenGL games)
"DesktopDoubleBuffered" = "Y"
; Run in synchronous mode (useful for debugging X11 problems)
;;"Synchronous" = "Y"
;
; Use the Render extension to render client side fonts (default "Y")
;;"ClientSideWithRender" = "Y"
; Fallback on X core requests to render client side fonts (default
"Y")
;;"ClientSideWithCore" = "Y"
; Set both of the previous two to "N" in order to force X11 server
side fonts
;
; Anti-alias fonts if using the Render extension (default "Y")
;;"ClientSideAntiAliasWithRender" = "Y"
; Anti-alias fonts if using core requests fallback (default "Y")
;;"ClientSideAntiAliasWithCore" = "Y"
;

"Desktop" = "N"

[fonts]
;Read the Fonts topic in the Wine User Guide before adding aliases
;See a couple of examples for russian users below
"Resolution" = "96"
"Default" = "-adobe-helvetica-"
"DefaultFixed" = "fixed"
"DefaultSerif" = "-adobe-times-"
"DefaultSansSerif" = "-adobe-helvetica-"

;; default TrueType fonts with russian koi8-r encoding
;"Default" = "-monotype-arial-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-koi8-r"
;"DefaultFixed" = "-monotype-courier
new-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-koi8-r"
;"DefaultSerif" = "-monotype-times new
roman-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-koi8-r"
;"DefaultSansSerif" =
"-monotype-arial-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-koi8-r"
;; default cyrillic bitmap X fonts
;"Default" = "-cronyx-helvetica-"
;"DefaultFixed" = "fixed"
;"DefaultSerif" = "-cronyx-times-"
;"DefaultSansSerif" = "-cronyx-helvetica-"

; the TrueType font dirs you want to make accessible to wine

[FontDirs]
;"dir1" = "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType"
;"dir2" = "/usr/share/fonts/truetype"
;"dir3" = "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TT"
;"dir4" = "/usr/share/fonts/TT"

[serialports]
"Com1" = "/dev/ttyS0"
"Com2" = "/dev/ttyS1"
"Com3" = "/dev/ttyS2"
"Com4" = "/dev/modem"

[parallelports]
"Lpt1" = "/dev/lp0"

[ppdev]
;; key:  io-base of the emulated port
;; value : parport-device{,timeout}
;; timeout for auto closing an open device ( not yet implemented)
;"378" = "/dev/parport0"
;"278" = "/dev/parport1"
;"3bc" = "/dev/parport2"

[spooler]
"FILE:" = "tmp.ps"
"LPT1:" = "|lpr"
"LPT2:" = "|gs -sDEVICE=bj200 -sOutputFile=/tmp/fred -q -"
"LPT3:" = "/dev/lp3"

[ports]
;"read" = "0x779,0x379,0x280-0x2a0"
;"write" = "0x779,0x379,0x280-0x2a0"

[Debug]
;"RelayExclude" =
"RtlEnterCriticalSection;RtlLeaveCriticalSection"
;"RelayInclude" = "user32.CreateWindowA"
;"RelayFromExclude" = "user32;x11drv"
;"RelayFromInclude" = "sol.exe"
;"SnoopExclude" =
"RtlEnterCriticalSection;RtlLeaveCriticalSection"
;"SpyExclude" = "WM_SIZE;WM_TIMER;"

[registry]
;These are all booleans.  Y/y/T/t/1 are true, N/n/F/f/0 are false.
;Defaults are read all, write to Home
; Where to find the global registries
;"GlobalRegistryDir" = "/etc";
; Global registries (stored in /etc)
"LoadGlobalRegistryFiles" = "Y"
; Home registries (stored in ~user/.wine/)
"LoadHomeRegistryFiles" = "Y"
; Load Windows registries from the Windows directory
"LoadWindowsRegistryFiles" = "Y"
; TRY to write all changes to home registries
"WritetoHomeRegistryFiles" = "Y"
; Registry periodic save timeout in seconds
; "PeriodicSave" = "600"
; Save only modified keys
"SaveOnlyUpdatedKeys" = "Y"

[Tweak.Layout]
;; supported styles are 'Win31'(default), 'Win95',
'Win98'
;; this has *nothing* to do with the windows version Wine returns:
;; set the "Windows" value in the [Version] section if you want that.
"WineLook" = "Win98"

[Clipboard]
"ClearAllSelections" = "0"
"PersistentSelection" = "1"

; List of all directories directly contain .AFM files

[afmdirs]
"1" = "/usr/share/ghostscript/fonts"
"2" = "/usr/share/a2ps/afm"
"3" = "/usr/share/enscript"
"4" = "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"

[WinMM]
; Uncomment the "Drivers" line matching your sound setting.

"Drivers" = "wineoss.drv"      ; default for most common
configurations
;"Drivers" = "winearts.drv"    ; for KDE
;"Drivers" = "winealsa.drv"    ; for ALSA users
;"Drivers" = "winejack.drv"    ; for Jack sound server
;"Drivers" = "winenas.drv"     ; for NAS sound system
;"Drivers" = "wineaudioio.drv" ; for Solaris machines
;"Drivers" = ""                ; to disable sound
"WaveMapper" = "msacm.drv"
"MidiMapper" = "midimap.drv"

[dsound]
;; HEL only: Number of waveOut fragments ahead to mix in new buffers.
;"HELmargin" = "5"
;; HEL only: Number of waveOut fragments ahead to queue to driver.
;"HELqueue" = "5"
;; Max number of fragments to prebuffer
;"SndQueueMax" = "28"
;; Min number of fragments to prebuffer
;"SndQueueMin" = "12"
;; Forces emulation mode (using wave api)
;"HardwareAcceleration" = "Emulation"
;; Sets default playback device (0 - number of devices - 1)
;"DefaultPlayback" = "0"	; use first device (/dev/dsp)
;"DefaultPlayback" = "1" 	; use second device (/dev/dsp1)
;"DefaultPlayback" = "2" 	; use third device (/dev/dsp2)
;; Sets default capture device (0 - number of devices - 1)
;"DefaultCapture" = "0"		; use first device (/dev/dsp)
;"DefaultCapture" = "1"		; use second device (/dev/dsp1)
;"DefaultCapture" = "2"		; use third device (/dev/dsp2)

[Network]
;; Use the DNS (Unix) host name always as NetBIOS "ComputerName"
(boolean,
default "Y").
;; Set to N if you need a persistent NetBIOS ComputerName that possibly 
differs
;; from the Unix host name. You'll need to set ComputerName in
;; 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\ComputerName\ComputerName, 
too.
;"UseDnsComputerName" = "N"

#########################################
# Application dependent sections follow #
#########################################

[AppDefaults\\_INS5576._MP\\x11drv]
; Lotus Notes R5 installer
; I'm quite not sure this will run on some other machine than mine, but it
; can't hurt
"Managed" = "N"
"Desktop" = "N"

[AppDefaults\\nlnotes.exe\\x11drv]
"Desktop" = "800x600"

[AppDefaults\\explorer.exe\\x11drv]
"Desktop" = "800x600"

[AppDefaults\\notes.exe\\DllOverrides]
"msvcrt" = "native"
"msvcrt40" = "native"
"crtdll" = "native"
"imagehlp" = "native"
"rnaph" = "native"

[AppDefaults\\nlnotes.exe\\DllOverrides]
"msvcrt" = "native"
"msvcrt40" = "native"
"crtdll" = "native"
"imagehlp" = "native"
"rnaph" = "native"

[AppDefaults\\nhldaemn.exe\\DllOverrides]
"msvcrt" = "native"
"msvcrt40" = "native"
"crtdll" = "native"
"imagehlp" = "native"
"rnaph" = "native"

# [/wineconf]

=============
charpent@yod:~$ ls -l .wine/dosdevices/
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent  7 2004-07-04 18:06 a: -> /floppy
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent  8 2004-07-04 18:06 a:: -> /dev/fd0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent 33 2004-07-04 18:06 c: -> 
/home/charpent/.wine/fake_windows
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent 10 2004-07-04 18:06 com1 -> /dev/ttyS0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent 10 2004-07-04 18:06 com2 -> /dev/ttyS1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent 10 2004-07-04 18:06 com3 -> /dev/ttyS2
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent 10 2004-07-04 18:06 com4 -> /dev/modem
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent  9 2004-07-04 18:06 d: -> /mnt/hda1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent  6 2004-07-04 18:06 e: -> /cdrom
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent  8 2004-07-04 18:06 e:: -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent  8 2004-07-04 18:06 lpt1 -> /dev/lp0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent  4 2004-07-04 18:06 x: -> /tmp
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent 14 2004-07-04 18:06 y: -> /home/charpent
lrwxrwxrwx  1 charpent charpent  1 2004-07-04 18:06 z: -> /

===============
Last record of installation attempt (~/Dgnsetup.log)


----- Dragon NaturallySpeaking installation started on 9-5-2004, 15:23:23 -----
Configuration=Professional, Languages=fra enx, Version=5.00.401.179 
Type=RELEASE
15:23:25 -- Insufficient space to perform installation on System drive. 
Setup requires 40 MB, but only -1 MB free.
----- Dragon NaturallySpeaking installation cancelled due to severe error 
on 9-5-2004, 15:23:25 -----

Emmanuel Charpentier wrote:
> Hi !
> 
> I'm trying to install Dragon Naturally Speaking in a WINE "fake
windows"
> setup, and I have troubles with InstallShield.
> 
> I tried this a while ago (with wine 20031212) and had *partial* success : 
> The app installed, by I had trouble with the character set settings and 
> botched the voice training, 'cause I couldn't read the screen ...
> 
> I reinstalled a new machine recently (the previous one died due to a 
> failing power supply ...). Wine is now 20040716. I managed to install 
> Office 2000 (and IE6, which is needed for MS Access ...), along with a 
> couple other apps, working *great*. Note : yes, I *did* install DCOM98.
> 
> However, any time I try to install Dragon Naturally Speaking, I stumble on 
> the fact that InstallShield is unable to see the free space on the system 
> "disk" : according to the log, Wine reports -1 Mb free, while
Dragon tells
> it needs 40 Mb. Therefore, InstallShield aborts the installation.
> 
Had you CDed into the cdrom drive to run setup? I doubt it will help, 
but an easy test might be to try to CD into your Wine C: drive and then 
run setup from there. Maybe the installer is really dumb.
> ...
> ----- Dragon NaturallySpeaking installation started on 9-5-2004, 15:23:23
-----
> Configuration=Professional, Languages=fra enx, Version=5.00.401.179 
> Type=RELEASE
> 15:23:25 -- Insufficient space to perform installation on System drive. 
> Setup requires 40 MB, but only -1 MB free.
> ----- Dragon NaturallySpeaking installation cancelled due to severe error 
> on 9-5-2004, 15:23:25 -----
Probably what you will need to do is to run the setup something like this:

WINEDEBUG=+relay wine setup.exe &> wine.log

That will make the program run really slow, and create a very large 
file, possibly 100s of MBytes, so you need lots of empty disk space. 
Then I typically split the file:

split --bytes=2m wine.log

That creates a whole bunch of smaller files, requiring lots more disk 
space;) Then grep for the error message:

grep "Setup requires" x*

Hopefully that shows up in one of the files. Open the file and see what 
was happening before the error message. If it is not clear, try deleting 
obviously irrelevant or repeated lines, and maybe post a few hundred of 
the lines before the error message.

On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 03:27:25PM +0200, Emmanuel Charpentier
wrote:
> Hi !
> 
> I'm trying to install Dragon Naturally Speaking in a WINE "fake
windows"
> setup, and I have troubles with InstallShield.
> 
> I tried this a while ago (with wine 20031212) and had *partial* success : 
> The app installed, by I had trouble with the character set settings and 
Set up in environment variables, IIRC KDE has a way to configure this in
it's control panel, but I don't use KDE, so...
> botched the voice training, 'cause I couldn't read the screen ...
Maybe your resolution wasn't a good one.
> I reinstalled a new machine recently (the previous one died due to a 
> failing power supply ...). Wine is now 20040716. I managed to install 
> Office 2000 (and IE6, which is needed for MS Access ...), along with a 
> couple other apps, working *great*. Note : yes, I *did* install DCOM98.
Maybe you'll need proper InstallShield runtimes?  Or maybe you need
command line dll overrides.  You can also try Wine 20040813, or current
CVS.  And are you using binary 20040716, or build from source?  And what
kind of distrobution are you using (if any)?  (Red Hat, Fedora, SuSe,
Debian, etc.)
> However, any time I try to install Dragon Naturally Speaking, I stumble on 
> the fact that InstallShield is unable to see the free space on the system 
> "disk" : according to the log, Wine reports -1 Mb free, while
Dragon tells
> it needs 40 Mb. Therefore, InstallShield aborts the installation.
How much free space *is* on the Wine directory's partition?  ext2/3
(among other fs) "reserve" some free space for the root user, in case
of
emergancies, but that takes away from the users.  Try reporting the
results of "df", and/or "df -h".

Finally, you didn't include any error messages reported by *wine* in and
of itself.  Try running it from the console and either directing it's
output to a file (just like DOS, use the ">" redirector) or use a
logging program like tee ( "wine <command> | tee
<filename>" should do
it).  You can also try debug channels.
> Has anyone any idea on how to pass this ? The relevant files are PS'd
to
> this message.
> 
> BTW : Any exeriences/successes/failures with Dragon Naturally Speaking ? 
> That's the one application I miss on Linux : since IBM botched its
earlier
> attemps to port ViaVoice on modern Linuxes and withdrawed it, no one has 
Were they trying to port binaries?  It's almost impossible to create
universal binaries for linux, if I recall correctly.  Very few linux
systems are identical, or even use the same sound system, configuration
formats, packaging systems, etc. etc.
> (yet) created a working VR package ...
The point of open source... hopefully someone will develop one soon. 
Problem?  They have to work through ALSA or OSS (which audio system),
not to mention deal with different PC configurations, and then work on
the actual engine of the VR.
> 					Emmanuel Charpentier
[snipped config files]

Duane Clark wrote:

[ Snip ... ]
>> However, any time I try to install Dragon Naturally Speaking, I 
>> stumble on the fact that InstallShield is unable to see the free space 
>> on the system "disk" : according to the log, Wine reports -1
Mb free,
>> while Dragon tells it needs 40 Mb. Therefore, InstallShield aborts the 
>> installation.
>>
> 
> Had you CDed into the cdrom drive to run setup? I doubt it will help, 
> but an easy test might be to try to CD into your Wine C: drive and then 
> run setup from there. Maybe the installer is really dumb.
Tried that. Ditto.
>> ...
>> ----- Dragon NaturallySpeaking installation started on 9-5-2004, 
>> 15:23:23 -----
>> Configuration=Professional, Languages=fra enx, Version=5.00.401.179 
>> Type=RELEASE
>> 15:23:25 -- Insufficient space to perform installation on System 
>> drive. Setup requires 40 MB, but only -1 MB free.
>> ----- Dragon NaturallySpeaking installation cancelled due to severe 
>> error on 9-5-2004, 15:23:25 -----
> 
> 
> Probably what you will need to do is to run the setup something like this:
> 
> WINEDEBUG=+relay wine setup.exe &> wine.log
> 
> That will make the program run really slow, and create a very large 
> file, possibly 100s of MBytes, so you need lots of empty disk space. 
> Then I typically split the file:
> 
> split --bytes=2m wine.log
> 
> That creates a whole bunch of smaller files, requiring lots more disk 
> space;) Then grep for the error message:
> 
> grep "Setup requires" x*
Tried that. The resultant file is "only" 467 Mb, mostly made of
messages
similar to :
000d:Call ntdll.RtlEnterCriticalSection(4a99f8f0) ret=4a98ccd3
000d:Ret  ntdll.RtlEnterCriticalSection() retval=00000000 ret=4a98ccd3
I wonder why ...

(Curiously, whent piping through tee, Setup stops with a *different* error 
message, stating that the install engine could not be starded. Heisenbug ?)
> Hopefully that shows up in one of the files. Open the file and see what 
> was happening before the error message. If it is not clear, try deleting 
> obviously irrelevant or repeated lines, and maybe post a few hundred of 
> the lines before the error message.
Hmmm ... Seems that Wine is detected as being Windows NT, but without 
administrator privileges (btw, the wine config file tells it to eulate 
win98. See posted files ...). Does this rings a bell ?

I can send the relevant 3 file(s) (2 Mb apiece) if you like...

					Emmanuel Charpentier

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 08:40:36AM +0200, Emmanuel Charpentier
wrote:
> Dear Michael,
> 
> Thank you for your answers !
> 
> michael@cherryblossom.homelinux.com wrote:
> >On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 03:27:25PM +0200, Emmanuel Charpentier wrote:
> >
> >>Hi !
> >>
> >>I'm trying to install Dragon Naturally Speaking in a WINE
"fake windows"
> >>setup, and I have troubles with InstallShield.
> >>
> >>I tried this a while ago (with wine 20031212) and had *partial*
success :
> >>The app installed, by I had trouble with the character set settings
and
I guess that installing with 20031212 and then upgrading to 2004-07 to
run it wouldn't be an option, eh?
> >
> >Set up in environment variables, IIRC KDE has a way to configure this
in
> >it's control panel, but I don't use KDE, so...
> 
> The problem was iso8859-1 vs utf8. Solved.
> 
> >>botched the voice training, 'cause I couldn't read the
screen ...
> >
> >
> >Maybe your resolution wasn't a good one.
> 
> Resolutioon was OK but a lot of characters were lost (replaced by
"?").
Ah.  (Let me see if I remember my french correctly...)

Est-ce que possible qui vous ordinateur ne aimer pas (- ne fait pas
aimer?  pardon, je n'ai pas le francais bon... -) les lettres avec les
accents?  Ou les lettres dans le "character set" de francais?

Is it possible that your computer didn't/doesn't like the letters with
(french) accents?  Or the letters in the french character set?

If I recall correctly, it's not uncommon for french characters to show
up in consoles as "?" when they're in a different character set or
not
supported.  Oddly, aren't you able to type most, if not all, characters
required in french with iso8859-1?
> >>I reinstalled a new machine recently (the previous one died due to
a
> >>failing power supply ...). Wine is now 20040716. I managed to
install
> >>Office 2000 (and IE6, which is needed for MS Access ...), along
with a
> >>couple other apps, working *great*. Note : yes, I *did* install
DCOM98.
> >
> >
> >Maybe you'll need proper InstallShield runtimes?
> 
> Isn't that provided by the installer ?
Theoretically, yes, but in and of itself, that's known to cause
problems; i.e. the dlls or exes provided by the installer's runtime
don't properly work with wine, or confuse wine...
> >                                                 Or maybe you need
> >command line dll overrides.
> 
> None. See .config file for permanent DLL overrides.
This relates to the above question -- IIRC, built in dlls in the
installer's InstallShield runtimes sometimes automatically override your
DLL decisions in .config, whether you want to or not, and this is worked
around using dll override command line switches or environment
variables.  I'm not 100% sure though.
> >                            You can also try Wine 20040813, or current
> >CVS.  And are you using binary 20040716, or build from source?  And
what
> >kind of distrobution are you using (if any)?  (Red Hat, Fedora, SuSe,
> >Debian, etc.)
> 
> 20040716 as packaged in Debian. Kernel is 2.6.6
Ah.  Yes.  I haven't gotten that to work yet... still trying to figure
out my own kernel, before attempting wine 2004-07/2004-08. Maybe try
building from winehq source or CVS?  Or you can try downgrading to the
2004-06 or whatever package they have in testing, and then re-upgrading
afterwards?  Why does it take so long for a wine release to get to
unstable, anyways? *shrugs*
> >>However, any time I try to install Dragon Naturally Speaking, I
stumble
> >>on the fact that InstallShield is unable to see the free space on
the
> >>system "disk" : according to the log, Wine reports -1 Mb
free, while
> >>Dragon tells it needs 40 Mb. Therefore, InstallShield aborts the 
> >>installation.
I have no other ideas.
> >
> >How much free space *is* on the Wine directory's partition?
> 
> About 1,9 Gb (/home is under /) :
This won't kill anyone, but the english speaking as far as I know use
the opposite comma (,) and period (.) then the french in numbers -- in
US, it's 1,000,000.05 ; in french, that would be something like 1 000
000,05 or 1.000.000,05 or something.  Then again, many people here
probably don't use english as their first language.
> 
> charpent@yod:~$ df
> Sys. de fich.        1K-blocs       Occup? Disponible Capacit? Mont? sur
> /dev/hdb3             16516084  13773096   1903996  88% /
> tmpfs                   518312         0    518312   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/hdb2             16516084  14808700    868392  95% /mnt/hdb2
> /dev/hda1             25181852   6528628  18653224  26% /mnt/hda1
> /dev/hdb5             16516052   9240592   6436468  59% /mnt/hdb5
> /dev/hdb6             25276760  15604568   8388200  66% /mnt/hdb6
> /dev/sda1             32566536   2046560  28865688   7% /mnt/hde1
> /dev/sda2             32558532  17012720  13891924  56% /mnt/hde2
> /dev/hdc                368838    368838         0 100% /cdrom
> 
> >                                                             ext2/3
> >(among other fs) "reserve" some free space for the root user,
in case of
> >emergancies, but that takes away from the users.  Try reporting the
> >results of "df", and/or "df -h".
> >
> >Finally, you didn't include any error messages reported by *wine*
in and
> >of itself.
> 
> None relevant :
> 
> charpent@yod:~$ wine /cdrom/SETUP.EXE
> fixme:win:SetWindowTextA cannot set text "InstallShield Wizard"
of other
> process window (nil)
> fixme:win:SetWindowTextA cannot set text "Installation de 
> NaturallySpeaking" ofother process window (nil)
> fixme:dialog:MSGBOX_OnInit task modal msgbox ! Not modal yet.
> Wine exited with a successful status
How odd.  I would have expected more.  Some sort of warn, maybe?
> >            Try running it from the console and either directing
it's
> >output to a file (just like DOS, use the ">" redirector)
or use a
> >logging program like tee ( "wine <command> | tee
<filename>" should do
> >it).  You can also try debug channels.
> >
> >
> >>Has anyone any idea on how to pass this ? The relevant files are
PS'd to
> >>this message.
> >>
> >>BTW : Any exeriences/successes/failures with Dragon Naturally
Speaking ?
> >>That's the one application I miss on Linux : since IBM botched
its
> >>earlier attemps to port ViaVoice on modern Linuxes and withdrawed
it, no
> >>one has 
> >
> >
> >Were they trying to port binaries?
> 
> Native SR libraries + Java user interfaces. That mostly worked (and still 
> works) in English, but I've been unable to use the relevant French
language
> files from Windows version. And since I'm french and work mostly in
french
> ...
Maybe different file formats?  Maybe line ending problems with
converting?  (CR/LF; LF or something problems between Windows/Linux?)

Unfortunately, French (translations) often come(s) after English, if
it/they come(s) at all.
> >                                    It's almost impossible to
create
> >universal binaries for linux, if I recall correctly.  Very few linux
> >systems are identical, or even use the same sound system, configuration
> >formats, packaging systems, etc. etc.
> >
> >
> >>(yet) created a working VR package ...
> >
> >
> >The point of open source... hopefully someone will develop one soon. 
> 
> Unlikely : an SR system needs *HUGE* linguistic data, and is a very hard 
> nut to crack. See for example Sphinx ...
I see... not to mention the immense time and funding... and the
unlikelyhood of someone trying to develop this (linguistic data for use
in a SR system) over the Internet via conventional open-source means...
> >Problem?  They have to work through ALSA or OSS (which audio system),
> >not to mention deal with different PC configurations, and then work on
> >the actual engine of the VR.
> 
> That's the least of the problem...
Point(s) taken.

I don't know what else there could be, as I haven't tried this myself. 
Good luck to you.
> 					Emmanuel Charpentier
--Michael Chang