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> From: Glendon Gross <gross@netbsd.xinetd.com>
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> Subject: Re: [vorbis] Re: Quoting (OT)
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> I have a question for you. If I want to write a vorbis client from
scratch,
> should it attempt to read the input file from start to finish, or should it
> attempt to start at the end first
> in order to use statistical analysis to optimize the conversion process? I
have
> been playing
> around with oggenc and ogg123 and enjoying the way my music sounds, but I
can't
> help thinking about how nice it would be to have a portable device that
plays my
> ogg vorbis files. :)
>
> In other words, should I "top-post" my input file to the
algorithm, or should the
> algorithm
> "bottom-post" it in order to optimize the decompression
algorithm?
>
> Also, does anyone have a recommendation for an existing *nix client for
> "streaming ogg-vorbis" files other than
> xmms, which I like? I just used oggasm to convert my entire .MP3
collection to
> ogg-vorbis.
>
> :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Glendon Gross
> thrilled ogg-vorbis advocate
>
> Lorenzo Prince wrote:
>
> > > With properly quoted messages (*not* bottom- or top- posted, but
inline
> > > posted), this makes it really easy to read and follow
conversation.
> > I agree. Inline quoting is the best way to go. You tackle one topic
of
> > the discussion at a time, quoting each part of the message and
responding
> > to it individually. This makes it easier all around.
> > > Top-posted (and on a bit smaller scale, bottom-posted) messages
cripple
> > > this, since you have to jump up and down to see what the poster
is
> > > referring to.
> > I don't, however, see how bottom-posted messages are less
crippling to the
> > ability to follow a conversation. Personally, I think it is just
redicus
> > to have to scroll past a whole screen of a message I just read, most
> > likely not even 2 minutes ago. I would rather see a top-posted
message,
> > because I don't have to read the same message 3 or more times just
to try
> > to find the answer I was looking for under all that. If you don't
want to
> > inline quote, it is better to top-post. It is easier on both the
sender
> > and the reader. I will stress, however, that inline quoting is by far
the
> > better choice.
> >
> > Lorenzo
> > -----
> > Personally, I think my choice in the mostest-superlative-computer wars
has to
> > be the HP-48 series of calculators. They'll run almost anything.
And if they
> > can't, while I'll just plug a Linux box into the serial port
and load up the
> > HP-48 VT-100 emulator.
> > -- Jeff Dege, jdege@winternet.com
> >
> > --- >8 ----
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> Subject: Re: [vorbis] Re: Quoting (OT)
> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:13:52 -0700
> From: Glendon Gross <gross@netbsd.xinetd.com>
> Organization: Xinetd Communications
> To: vorbis@xiph.org
> References: <3ED9F648.2080203@lala.ath.cx>
> <000a01c32840$703cda00$65c15dd5@HWim>
<3EDA4188.5050204@lala.ath.cx>
> <3EDA83F1.5070309@greens.org>
<000801c32895$02a34b00$28c0c0c0@Home>
> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0306021912200.498@princenet.sytes.net>
>
> I have a question for you. If I want to write a vorbis client from
scratch,
> should it attempt to read the input file from start to finish, or should it
> attempt to start at the end first
> in order to use statistical analysis to optimize the conversion process? I
have
> been playing
> around with oggenc and ogg123 and enjoying the way my music sounds, but I
can't
> help thinking about how nice it would be to have a portable device that
plays my
> ogg vorbis files. :)
>
> In other words, should I "top-post" my input file to the
algorithm, or should the
> algorithm
> "bottom-post" it in order to optimize the decompression
algorithm?
>
> Also, does anyone have a recommendation for an existing *nix client for
> "streaming ogg-vorbis" files other than
> xmms, which I like? I just used oggasm to convert my entire .MP3
collection to
> ogg-vorbis.
>
> :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Glendon Gross
> thrilled ogg-vorbis advocate
>
> Lorenzo Prince wrote:
>
> > > With properly quoted messages (*not* bottom- or top- posted, but
inline
> > > posted), this makes it really easy to read and follow
conversation.
> > I agree. Inline quoting is the best way to go. You tackle one topic
of
> > the discussion at a time, quoting each part of the message and
responding
> > to it individually. This makes it easier all around.
> > > Top-posted (and on a bit smaller scale, bottom-posted) messages
cripple
> > > this, since you have to jump up and down to see what the poster
is
> > > referring to.
> > I don't, however, see how bottom-posted messages are less
crippling to the
> > ability to follow a conversation. Personally, I think it is just
redicus
> > to have to scroll past a whole screen of a message I just read, most
> > likely not even 2 minutes ago. I would rather see a top-posted
message,
> > because I don't have to read the same message 3 or more times just
to try
> > to find the answer I was looking for under all that. If you don't
want to
> > inline quote, it is better to top-post. It is easier on both the
sender
> > and the reader. I will stress, however, that inline quoting is by far
the
> > better choice.
> >
> > Lorenzo
> > -----
> > Personally, I think my choice in the mostest-superlative-computer wars
has to
> > be the HP-48 series of calculators. They'll run almost anything.
And if they
> > can't, while I'll just plug a Linux box into the serial port
and load up the
> > HP-48 VT-100 emulator.
> > -- Jeff Dege, jdege@winternet.com
> >
> > --- >8 ----
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