Hello all, I'm glad to announce to you that Vorbis now has full ReplayGain support. If you're not familiar with ReplayGain, take a look at www.replaygain.org. The main features are: a) all songs play back with equal loudness b) removes the need for normalization c) allows for clipping prevention Using it is very simple. Get a compatible decoder (ogg123, XMMS and WinAmp all support it now), and apply the ReplayGain tool to your oggs. The process is totally lossless. The ReplayGain tool is available here: http://sjeng.org/ftp/vorbis/ReplayGain-0.7.tar.gz or (for Windows) http://sjeng.org/ftp/vorbis/replaygain.exe XMMS patches are in the XMMS CVS or downloadable from the same directory as the files above. The WinAmp plugin is available here: http://www.blorp.com/~peter/zips/in_vorbis.exe -- GCP <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Before I actually run out and try it, can you tell me if this will work with Ogg FLAC files? Awesome news, by the way. Regards, --Wilson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" <gcp@sjeng.org> To: <vorbis@xiph.org> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: [vorbis] ReplayGain support for Vorbis <p>> Hello all,> > I'm glad to announce to you that Vorbis now has full > ReplayGain support. If you're not familiar with ReplayGain, > take a look at www.replaygain.org. The main features are: > > a) all songs play back with equal loudness > b) removes the need for normalization > c) allows for clipping prevention > > Using it is very simple. Get a compatible decoder (ogg123, > XMMS and WinAmp all support it now), and apply the ReplayGain > tool to your oggs. The process is totally lossless. > > The ReplayGain tool is available here: > > http://sjeng.org/ftp/vorbis/ReplayGain-0.7.tar.gz > > or (for Windows) > > http://sjeng.org/ftp/vorbis/replaygain.exe > > XMMS patches are in the XMMS CVS or downloadable from the > same directory as the files above. The WinAmp plugin is available here: > > http://www.blorp.com/~peter/zips/in_vorbis.exe > > -- > GCP ><p><p><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:> Using it is very simple. Get a compatible decoder (ogg123, > XMMS and WinAmp all support it now), and apply the ReplayGainOne huge caveat here. As far as ogg123 goes, ReplayGain only works on the modified version sitting on my hard drive. :) Jack and I are still working out some libvorbis interface issues, so I have not checked my code into CVS yet. I'll announce when it has been committed. --- Stan Seibert <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:> Hello all, > > I'm glad to announce to you that Vorbis now has full > ReplayGain support. If you're not familiar with ReplayGain, > take a look at www.replaygain.org. The main features are: > > a) all songs play back with equal loudness > b) removes the need for normalization > c) allows for clipping prevention >What perfect timing! I was just yesterday resigning myself to re-encoding all of my CD's with normalization because of the volume problem. I like to play all of my music tracks randomly as a giant jukebox, and I had to constantly reach over to adjust the volume. Your efforts are very much appreciated. Thanks to everyone on the Ogg Vorbis team! -- dave <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
There appears to be something wrong with ReplayGain.exe. With 2 ogg files in the folder: I ran> replaygain Track01.ogg That worked fine. I then ran> replaygain -q *.ogg And it returned> Input does not appear to be an Ogg bitstream. -q worked fine on the files when specified individually so files are not corrupt. Ross. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Looking at the spec I see that the peak volume is also stored in the header. May I propose another option is added to the decoders to simply normalize the song based on it's peak, rather than average volume. The result would be the same as if the songs were all normalised before encoding. This may not be so useful for the general public but for those that have a peak volume limit requirement, such as a night-club or radio station, it would be very useful. Anyone else like the idea? Cheers, Ross Levis www.soulfm.cjb.net --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I agree with storing everything as a FLAC. I came to this conclusion a few months back when I wanted to convert my CD collection (which I had already ripped to MP3 using EAC/LAME) to OggVorbis. I had to extract all the CD Audio *again*. But this time, I kept the WAV (FLAC) files so that if I need to convert to another format I won't incur yet another rip pass. Once I had decided to save the FLAC files, I couldn't see the need for storing my music in OggVorbis format - the FLAC files would be a better source. The only problem with ripping to FLAC is that EAC doesn't support tagging FLAC's so I had to encode everything in the filename. And now, if FLAC's had replay gain, I would be a happy camper. On my "to do" list is building a server that converts the FLAC files to properly tagged Ogg streams for playing across slower data links. My 2 cents, Erik Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilson" <defiler@null.net> To: <vorbis@xiph.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [vorbis] ReplayGain support for Vorbis <p>----- Original Message ----- From: "Moritz Grimm" <gtgbr@gmx.net> To: <vorbis@xiph.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [vorbis] ReplayGain support for Vorbis <p>> Wilson wrote:> > Ummm... but the point in lossless coding is having the original back > after decoding it. Any alteration to that audio makes no sense to me. > Why don't you use Ogg at -q8 or higher instead (or mp+ --insane, if you > wish)? I really doubt that this is too little quality, even for a Top > 100 collection of CDs. The advantage in terms of filesize can't be left > out, no matter how "cheap" an 80GB HDD is nowadays. IIRC (2nd hand info > from a mail to the list) some really audiophile audio engineer was more > or less satisfied with Ogg > -q8 or -q9, so ... using FLAC for casual > listening really makes no sense.I'm talking about 160GB hard drives here. A single one can hold almost 400 CDs in FLAC format. q9 Oggs are coming right up there on FLAC bitrates, so why not take the extra step and remove any possible ugly results? (udial.wav, even though it's not exactly a fair test, is an example.) With lossless compression, you can be certain that you won't "suddenly" start hearing an artifact when you upgrade your equipment. I'm sure q9 Ogg is good enough, but given the minor incremental cost of moving up to FLAC, it's an option I would like to have. Also, AFAIU, you can return to the "original" file with the ReplayGain system. Seems like a good fit with a lossless codec. <snip> <p><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I just checked SourceForge and FLAC has "darwin-ppc" support which I thought had something to do with the Mac. I know less than nothing about this so YMMV. Erik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Flowers" <jsflowers@earthlink.net> To: <vorbis@xiph.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [vorbis] ReplayGain support for Vorbis <p>> Once I had decided to save the FLAC files, I couldn't see> the need for storing my music in OggVorbis format - the > FLAC files would be a better source.I considered FLAC but as far as I know it isn't supported on Macs. I need this support because while I use my PC for ripping and home audio, when I take my iBook somewhere, I want to have a lot of music to listen to. Also, Ogg seems to have more momentum right now, which I think will pick up even more once we get to the psychologically satisfying 1.0 release. Still, it's nice to have choices! Jeff <p><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
>True. Here I've been programming MS-DOS/Windows professionally since the >'80s and this is the first I've heard of that one. I've always run the >command line arguments through _findfirst/_findnext (or their Win32 SDK >equivalents) when I wanted wildcard expansion. Thanks for the tip.Not-so-fast :) Someone just mailed to inform me that the MSVC globber can't handle directory names/wildcards with spaces in them. I'm replacing the one in ReplayGain now with his code (which uses FindFirst/FindNext). -- GCP <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
[Gian-Carlo Pascutto]> I'm glad to announce to you that Vorbis now has full > ReplayGain support. If you're not familiar with ReplayGain, > take a look at www.replaygain.org. The main features are:[...] Yay! I remember reading the replaygain pages after Monty mentioned it, thinking that it was a neat idea... and it's already in Vorbis! Go, team! *cheer* Incidentally, I know that I have not yet mentioned it, but I *really* like RC3, too... :) -- Victoria E. Lease <vlease@floofy-skirts.org> C66F 5745 AE21 B21F 5326 FA12 DBC2 9245 9475 3F70 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.