Jeremy Nickurak
2003-Sep-28 17:44 UTC
[vorbis-dev] Re: [theora] xiph.org irc channels moving
I'd just like to throw my 2 cents in here. I can understand the need to drop a xiph irc server. However, I do take issue with moving to Freenode. The reason that we moved so long ago (as I understand it) is that an overwhelming flood of politics made real vorbis discussion uncomfortable. A few people took things personally and acted out, and pretty soon everybody was on edge. Just looking at all three channels from the two networks now, it seems that this same effect is already starting to return at the very mention of this situation coming back to everybody's attention. On top of that freenode has a history of technical problems (splits, rehubbings, dns failures like that one they suffered yesterday), and political problems (accusations of censorship mostly). <p>If someone can give me a reason to believe that these issues have been resolved, I'd be more than happy to hear it. I just haven't seen any evidence of it yet. <p>In lieu of that, can we please consider another irc network, like OFTC, or Slashnet? <p>On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 17:40, Ralph Giles wrote:> Everybody, > > We're shutting down irc.xiph.org, which has hosted our official > development and support IRC channels for the past couple of years. > The main channels (#vorbis, #icecast, #theora, #positron) have > moved to irc.freenode.net; please go there with your support or > development questions. > > We'd also like to take this opportunity to refocus the channels > on development and support. Freenode is a network for open source > developers and their projects; please try to keep discussion > on topic. Adiabatic and vanguardist have started a #vorbis-talk > channel for social stuff. > > The current server will be shutdown on or before next Sunday, October5,> to give everyone some time to learn of the change and migrate. > > A number t of people have asked about the reasons behind the move. > We've never liked running the ircd on the server that hosts the more > critical cvs/mail/web services. The Xiph.org Foundation board made > a decision some time ago to remove the irc server; in the intervening > months our irc opers haven't been able to find a more suitable host. > The move to the freenode network represents the most logical choice > of network for our project. > > I'd also like to thank our opers for their work in running thexiph.org> irc network. We really appreciate your time and effort. > > Cheers, > -r > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'theora-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject isneeded.> Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.<p> -- Jeremy Nickurak -= Email/Jabber: atrus@rifetech.com =- I would rather spend 10 hours reading someone else's source code than 10 minutes listening to Musak waiting for technical support which isn't. -- Dr. Greg Wettstein -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis-dev/attachments/20030928/efb009d4/signature-0001.pgp
I can't remember why I signed up for these lists to start with, but I've been monitoring them for quite some time now. At any rate, I think the move to freenode is probably best. The problems a lot of people had with OPN's spam^Wglobal messages being excessive, seem to have all but gone away. Just my two pennies, I figured since I get tons of email from this list I might as well pitch in a word or two now and then ;) - Trae McCombs http://theinterference.com/ ps. keep up the great work! <p>On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 20:44, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:> I'd just like to throw my 2 cents in here. > > I can understand the need to drop a xiph irc server. However, I do take > issue with moving to Freenode. The reason that we moved so long ago (as > I understand it) is that an overwhelming flood of politics made real > vorbis discussion uncomfortable. A few people took things personally and > acted out, and pretty soon everybody was on edge. Just looking at all > three channels from the two networks now, it seems that this same effect > is already starting to return at the very mention of this situation > coming back to everybody's attention. On top of that freenode has a > history of technical problems (splits, rehubbings, dns failures like > that one they suffered yesterday), and political problems (accusations > of censorship mostly). > > > If someone can give me a reason to believe that these issues have been > resolved, I'd be more than happy to hear it. I just haven't seen any > evidence of it yet. > > > In lieu of that, can we please consider another irc network, like OFTC, > or Slashnet? > > > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 17:40, Ralph Giles wrote: > > Everybody, > > > > We're shutting down irc.xiph.org, which has hosted our official > > development and support IRC channels for the past couple of years. > > The main channels (#vorbis, #icecast, #theora, #positron) have > > moved to irc.freenode.net; please go there with your support or > > development questions. > > > > We'd also like to take this opportunity to refocus the channels > > on development and support. Freenode is a network for open source > > developers and their projects; please try to keep discussion > > on topic. Adiabatic and vanguardist have started a #vorbis-talk > > channel for social stuff. > > > > The current server will be shutdown on or before next Sunday, October > 5, > > to give everyone some time to learn of the change and migrate. > > > > A number t of people have asked about the reasons behind the move. > > We've never liked running the ircd on the server that hosts the more > > critical cvs/mail/web services. The Xiph.org Foundation board made > > a decision some time ago to remove the irc server; in the intervening > > months our irc opers haven't been able to find a more suitable host. > > The move to the freenode network represents the most logical choice > > of network for our project. > > > > I'd also like to thank our opers for their work in running the > xiph.org > > irc network. We really appreciate your time and effort. > > > > Cheers, > > -r > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'theora-request@xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is > needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.