Vorbis dev - Oct 2001 - Mac player; low bitrates; (was Re: vorbis players (or lack of) for mac)

> From: rillian (rillian@telus.net)
> Date: Mon 29 Oct 2001 - 22:21:51 PST
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 dongoodman wrote:
>
> > >> frankly, i'm rather tired of the lack of free ogg vorbis
players
> for Mac
> > >> OS; it doesn't look like iTunes is going to support the
format
> anytime
> > >> soon (and i have some real issues with its interface,
too)...so,
> since I'
> > >> ve decided to learn Mac OS X/Cocoa programming, I have no
excuse
> for not
> > >> writing one.
>
> I for one would love too see one. It's just that we haven't had
anyone
> take charge and write (a free) one. With Cocoa is should be pretty easy.
Creating a free vorbis player was in my plans ;-)
> You're in luck in that Elifarly just posted that he's done a
framework
> build.
>
>    http://www.xiph.org/archives/vorbis-dev/0188.html
>
> Maybe he could make that code available?
Sure.
> Ideally, we could check it into cvs like we do with the win32 stuff. I 
> would be happy just getting the cmdline+dylib tools going, but a 
> Framework build makes great sense for a Cocoa application.
Should I send you the appropriate files?
>
> > > Though if you're talking about a one-year time frame to
public
> release, I
> > > should hope a player has come along before then... QuickTime 
> support is
> > > really needed, and soon, IMHO.
>
> I totally agree here. The delays seem to multiple, and not least 
> because the requisite documentation is hard to find and qt internals 
> aren't a great match for the way Ogg works.
> I'd also *really* like to see vorbis-over-qt.
I'm eager to have it too. I think I'll have to develop it myself. Does 
anyone want to help me ? (hint: dongoodman ? )
> The standard audio codecs apple ships are REALLY TERRIBLE, but sorenson 
> is quite good for video (aside from being very non-free of course). So 
> this would be a great boost for those of use distributing video over 
> the net.
Hmm.. don't you like the quality of the QDesign Music 2 codec ? It's 
impressive how it can encode in madly low bitrates and yet sound quite 
recognizable (try to encode a tune at only 8 kbits/s with it).

BTW, when will vorbis be able to surpass QDesign Music 2 at this low 
bitrate ?

Cheers,

Elifarley C. Coelho
http://www.geocities.com/elifarley/

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On Tuesday, October 30, 2001, at 06:25 , Elifarley C.Coelho wrote:
> Should I send you the appropriate files?
That would work.
> Hmm.. don't you like the quality of the QDesign Music 2 codec ?
It's
> impressive how it can encode in madly low bitrates and yet sound quite 
> recognizable (try to encode a tune at only 8 kbits/s with it).
Yes it remains *recognizable* at ridiculously low bitrate, which is what 
you need to send postage-stamp video over a POTS modem. Unfortunately, 
it doesn't get much better if you throw more bits at it. So at broadband 
bitrates it sounds terrible compared to real or windowsmedia.
> BTW, when will vorbis be able to surpass QDesign Music 2 at this low 
> bitrate ?
No idea. It does sounds miles better at 32 kbps. I'd not heard of anyone 
squeezing it down to 8.

  -r

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