Perhaps the devel list would be better, but a) i'm not subscribed to it
just now and b) I'm lazy (dons flame-retardant clothing)...
frankly, i'm rather tired of the lack of free ogg vorbis players for Mac
OS; it doesn't look like iTunes is going to support the format anytime
soon (and i have some real issues with its interface, too)...so, since
I've decided to learn Mac OS X/Cocoa programming, I have no excuse for not
writing one.
So, I'm going to spend the next year or so in what little spare time I
have working on a GPL'd vorbis player for Mac OS X. First: any interest in
this here on the group? Second: what features would be important to y'all.
Third: call me out-of-touch, but what sort of nasty license issues would
I run into if I were to integrate and mp3 player into all of this? (I
assume little to none given the existence of XMMS)
Fourth, and most importantly, being new to Mac OS X programming...any
suggestions on porting the ogg and vorbis libraries to Mac OS X Frameworks?
Has someone already done this, or, worse yet, am I on my own on this
front?
I'll be using Apple's development tools (I love Codewarrior to death,
but
all I have is the academic version for Mac OS 9...), and doing this in
Objective C (long may it live).
thoughts? suggestions? flames for being off-topic?
have fun
dongoodman <-- maybe don should focus on getting his doctorate instead of
wasting time on
frivolous side-projects...
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Hey Don,> On Monday, October 29, 2001, at 07:57 PM, dongoodman wrote: > Perhaps the devel list would be better, but a) i'm not subscribed to it > just now and b) I'm lazy (dons flame-retardant clothing)... > > frankly, i'm rather tired of the lack of free ogg vorbis players for > Mac OS; it doesn't look like iTunes is going to support the format > anytime soon (and i have some real issues with its interface, > too)...so, since I've decided to learn Mac OS X/Cocoa programming, I > have no excuse for not writing one.Sounds perfectly on-topic to me, and glad to hear of your endeavor. Personally, I know of two ogg players for MacOS X: Mint Audio <http://www.unsanity.com/mint/>, and Audion <http://www.panic.com/audion>, from Unsanity LLC and Panic Software, respectively. (Those names make you think you're a little crazy, eh? heh heh.) Which is not to say that I am happy with either of them... Audion can't handle any of my RC2 oggs (Panic says a fix is coming..) and I personally can't stand Mint's interface. Since there are so many zillions of different mp3 players now, really what will set yours apart (aside from ogg support) is largely the interface. I'm thinking of playlists in particular, but different people will spot different weaknesses. (Audion has some sort of MP3 editor that might be useful to some tweakers; I never use the thing.) As far as MP3 licensing issues, I'd expect that if you use a non-Frauenhofer based decoding library (libmad?) then you're in the clear. Though if you're talking about a one-year time frame to public release, I should hope a player has come along before then... QuickTime support is really needed, and soon, IMHO. (Perhaps they're just waiting for 1.0 though, understandable.) But if you're writing it for fun anyway, who cares? Cheers, Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 09:57:29PM -0600, dongoodman wrote:> frankly, i'm rather tired of the lack of free ogg vorbis players for Mac > OS;There's Mint and Audion, but they're shareware rather than free. xmms and ogg123 have been successfully compiled on OS X.> So, I'm going to spend the next year or so in what little spare time I > have working on a GPL'd vorbis player for Mac OS X. First: any interest in > this here on the group?Yes. My preference would be for a plugin for iTunes, cos even if iTunes has a shoddy interface it is out there already, and in any case, I dislike the interfaces of ALL the audio players I've used on ALL platforms and I doubt yours would be any different :-)> Second: what features would be important to y'all.Gotta support all known bit-rates, gotta support streaming as well as playing files. -- David Cantrell | david@cantrell.org.uk | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Perl may be the best solution for processing a text file, but asking a group of Perl Mongers clearly isn't -- aef, in #london.pm --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.