theora - Jun 2009 - Chris DiBona's passing comment on Theora + Youtube on the WhatWG list

Chris DiBona made an odd comment regarding Theora on the WhatWG list.

I am explicitly not calling for people to go sign up over there and
complain.  Google has done many good things for open video, and I'm
sure they will continue to do so in the future.

I thought the comparison I did for my response would be interesting to
other people here:

http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Chris DiBona made an odd comment regarding Theora on the WhatWG list.
>
> I am explicitly not calling for people to go sign up over there and
> complain.  Google has done many good things for open video, and I'm
> sure they will continue to do so in the future.
>
> I thought the comparison I did for my response would be interesting to
> other people here:
>
>
http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html<http://people.xiph.org/%7Egreg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html>
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Nice !

The guy's stupid.
In my case OGG Theora is far superior compared to Flash based videos.
Most of the time videos on YouTube are overloading my CPU, for a crappy
quality on top of that.
And it's a 1.6GHz cpu !
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Gregory,

That's awesome work you've done!

I was also totally shocked at that comment of his, which is why I
asked him to prove his claim by doing some tests. I am confident he
cannot uphold that claim, since in my experience the files turn out
smaller most of the time. I hope we will do the tests for himself, so
he will be forced to take back his own FUD.

It's plain amazing what myths are being created and repeated on Theora!

Great effort!

Cheers,
Silvia.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Gregory Maxwell<gmaxwell at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Chris DiBona made an odd comment regarding Theora on the WhatWG list.
>
> I am explicitly not calling for people to go sign up over there and
> complain. ?Google has done many good things for open video, and I'm
> sure they will continue to do so in the future.
>
> I thought the comparison I did for my response would be interesting to
> other people here:
>
> http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html
> _______________________________________________
> theora mailing list
> theora at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/theora
>

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Gregory Maxwell<gmaxwell at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Chris DiBona made an odd comment regarding Theora on the WhatWG list.
>
> I am explicitly not calling for people to go sign up over there and
> complain. ?Google has done many good things for open video, and I'm
> sure they will continue to do so in the future.
>
> I thought the comparison I did for my response would be interesting to
> other people here:
>
> http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html
Great job!

Ondrej

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Gregory Maxwell<gmaxwell at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Chris DiBona made an odd comment regarding Theora on the WhatWG list.
>
> I am explicitly not calling for people to go sign up over there and
> complain. ?Google has done many good things for open video, and I'm
> sure they will continue to do so in the future.
>
> I thought the comparison I did for my response would be interesting to
> other people here:
>
> http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html
Has this message been received loud and clear on the WhatWG list?
Because it's really damning if WhatWG is susceptible to that sort of
FUD nonsense.

Remco

I'll be putting this up on the mozilla hacks blog on Monday.  We can  
echo it pretty widely from there.  It's time to change people's  
opinion of Theora in the real world.

Actually, thinking about it, we haven't spent enough time talking  
about the fact that Vorbis really _is_ a big improvement over mp3 at  
the same bit rates and that good sound can make even a crappy video  
seem better than it is.

I wonder how much "extra" bandwidth Vorbis provides that could be used
to improve video quality even more?  Probably not much so it probably  
only has an effect at lower bit rates.

--Chris

On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> Chris DiBona made an odd comment regarding Theora on the WhatWG list.
>
> I am explicitly not calling for people to go sign up over there and
> complain.  Google has done many good things for open video, and I'm
> sure they will continue to do so in the future.
>
> I thought the comparison I did for my response would be interesting to
> other people here:
>
> http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html
> _______________________________________________
> theora mailing list
> theora at xiph.org
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