theora dev - Jul 2009 - HTML 5 drops open-source video codec

Link here http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-318208.html

Will H264 become web standard in the future?

Link here http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-318208.html

Will H264 become web standard in the future?

> Will H264 become web standard in the future?
Given that the patents likely won't run out before I'm dead.... probably
not.

Monty

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Yanito Candra<pitulloz at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> Link here http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-318208.html
>
> Will H264 become web standard in the future?
False dichotomy. In terms of HTML5 standardization H.264 is even worse
off than Theora is, since encumbered technology is forbidden as a
matter of W3C policy.

The standard merely recommends nothing now, rather than something specific.

The real question should you be asking "is proprietary flash the
future of the web?" because everyone being stuck using flash is the
real risk of not having a just-works-everwhere baseline for the video
tag.

The headline is also misleading: Theora and Vorbis were removed as a
recommendation from the HTML5 draft over a year ago now. All the video
tag adopters so far, except for Apple, have shipped it anyways.

Right now Theora is the #1 codec for video tag adoption, both in terms
of content provider support and client support, as far as I know.

Is it from next January, or the one after when they can start charging
royalties for people for putting h264 on the web ?


Good job we have theora, dirac, snow and all the other free codecs :-)

Salsaman
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:11 AM, <xiphmont at xiph.org>
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>> Will H264 become web standard in the future?
>
> Given that the patents likely won't run out before I'm dead....
probably not.
>
> Monty
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Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 06:15:21 schrieb Gregory
Maxwell:
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Yanito Candra<pitulloz at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > Link here http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-318208.html
> >
> > Will H264 become web standard in the future?
>
> False dichotomy. In terms of HTML5 standardization H.264 is even worse
> off than Theora is, since encumbered technology is forbidden as a
> matter of W3C policy.
>
> The standard merely recommends nothing now, rather than something specific.
>
> The real question should you be asking "is proprietary flash the
> future of the web?" because everyone being stuck using flash is the
> real risk of not having a just-works-everwhere baseline for the video
> tag.
>
> The headline is also misleading: Theora and Vorbis were removed as a
> recommendation from the HTML5 draft over a year ago now. All the video
> tag adopters so far, except for Apple, have shipped it anyways.
>
> Right now Theora is the #1 codec for video tag adoption, both in terms
> of content provider support and client support, as far as I know.
It all really depends on Google. As http://youtube.com/html5 shows, all major 
video-content the world cares about could soon be available as h264-in-html5. 
And proprietary flash-fallback already exists for that. Also, sooner or later, 
Mozilla would allow Codec-Plugins to not be laughed at.

OTH should google reencode its content to theora, than by summer next year it 
will be de-facto-standard whether or not the W3C recommend it.

Kind of a sad state for billion-people network to depend so strongly on the 
decisions of a single company, but I guess thats the way it is right now. 
Are there plans to create more pressure on Google? What about a compaign? If I 
understood the W3C-discussions correctly, Wikimedia and Mozilla are already 
in, the FSFs (with less lobying power) would definitely be in aswell.
Something a long the lines "Free Youtube" or "Liberate
Youtube" or a more
general "PlayOGG"-Campgain, or "Open Standards Web"...
If Mozilla and wikipedia prominently linked to the compaign, it would sure a 
get a lot of attention.

Regards
Hannes