Okay, can we ban the troll already? On 2016-09-28 10:58, Gilberto Nunes via samba wrote:> Oh come on, guys! > I am not saying who is better here, Linux, samba or Windows. I am well > aware about what OS is more solid etc... > I am just saying that in an enterprise grade, we need more professional > tools and better, needs tools that almost anybody in your staff can > handle, if you become unavailable, for some reasons like a flu or > whatever... > That is it! > I love Linux/samba and other open-source tools and I will continue use it! > But for now and inside enterprise, at least for some environment, I will > use Microsoft. > Beside, in an enterprise environment, you would probably not concern about > who is pay the bill related Cal license or whatever! > They, the guys who owner the company and, mainly, the IT Manager wants the > job done quickly and well. > Consider for a moment the data center Windows server 2012. With one payed > server, you have unlimited VM's installed. > This kill for good Proxmox for example, a tool that I really love!!! > Just this example worth to paid license. > Samba, Linux, and many other open-source tools are very cool, believe me. > But sometimes, you just need save your job and going forward.... > That's it! > On Sep 28, 2016 4:40 AM, "L.P.H. van Belle via samba" <samba at lists.samba.org> > wrote: > >> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a >> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional >> CIFS_AD_DFS solution. > > If you need that, nobody stops u from using it, but remember..... > > EVERY DEVICE, routers/switchs/printers/phones/pcs/servers etc etc. > Which ... > Or gets an ip number of a windows server. > Or needed to access the server. > Or routes/passes it.. <<< ofter forgoten.. > > NEEDS A LICENCE. > Like, a CAL is required for each user or device that accesses the server.. > > For me, i save about > 12 windows servers and licencing for it. > I save tons of ram and lots of disk space, by example. > > My Samba AD DC. ( needs min 1GB ram for now swapping. ) set to 2 GB. > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted > /dev/xvda1 6.0G 993M 4.7G 18% / > > > A clean windows install is 30-40GB .. > So in the end you save a lot. > Backup time, !! restore time, data storage etc, etc. > You try to restore your windows AD DC in 20 min. > I can with debian and samba. > About 15 min for the debian install , 5min for restoring samba. > > And last, i my hardware breaks, i pull out disk put them in other servers > and boot up. Done. > Windows... boot, oww... Licence problems now, since most people use OEM > licences and not RETAIL. > But its all choice, thats the nice thing about free. > But if you compair compair the right way. > >>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try >>> and try and nothing happen > Yes, repeating your self wont help, test, document, change retest. > This is why i script my installs. > > >> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of >> mouse clicks > Because it save you a LOT of disk space, and less programms, let security > problems.. less problems in general. > > Management, yes, i use the windows RSAT tools, which works fine for me. > Once the servers are deployed i hardly do anything an a linux server beside > the security updates and reboot when needed. > > I'm a happy console user for long time now.. > > And yes dont stare at one thing, use what you need and what is best for you > and your abilities. > > > Greetz, > > Louis > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Steve Litt via >> samba >> Verzonden: woensdag 28 september 2016 4:01 >> Aan: samba at lists.samba.org >> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!? >> >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:02:15 -0300 >> Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi list >>> >>> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active >>> Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! >>> I will give a try to windows tools.... >>> The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve >>> server deployments?!? >>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try >>> and try and nothing happen! >>> >>> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... >>> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but >>> came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly... >>> >>> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... >>> >>> Sorry! But it's time to shift! >> >> Better late than never. >> >> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a >> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional >> CIFS_AD_DFS solution. >> >> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of >> mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen >> scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like >> Powershell or Visual Basic. >> >> These Samba guys just want to install servers that never go down, but >> that's lazy thinking. Your server going down gives you the opportunity >> to do maintenance and updates. A server going down is like a circuit >> breaker: It's telling you something needs attention. These Samba >> servers don't have that: You could go years without knowing something's >> wrong if you don't look at your logs. >> >> Truth be told, it's been awhile since I gave Windows CIFS_AD_DFS a real >> workout. Have they implemented CIFS_AD_DFS config via registry yet? >> That's so much better than having your whole CIFS_AD_DFS configuration >> in that one silly flatfile smb.conf. >> >> I congratulate you on not blindly following the crowd to Samba, but >> instead incisively selecting Windows for your CIFS_AD_DFS server! >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 >> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the >> instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba >-- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, / Best Regards, Sven Schwedas, Systemadministrator Mail/XMPP sven.schwedas at tao.at | Skype sven.schwedas TAO Digital | Lendplatz 45 | A8020 Graz https://www.tao-digital.at | Tel +43 680 301 7167 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Go ahead! On Sep 28, 2016 7:12 AM, "Sven Schwedas via samba" <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> Okay, can we ban the troll already? > > On 2016-09-28 10:58, Gilberto Nunes via samba wrote: > > Oh come on, guys! > > I am not saying who is better here, Linux, samba or Windows. I am well > > aware about what OS is more solid etc... > > I am just saying that in an enterprise grade, we need more professional > > tools and better, needs tools that almost anybody in your staff can > > handle, if you become unavailable, for some reasons like a flu or > > whatever... > > That is it! > > I love Linux/samba and other open-source tools and I will continue use > it! > > But for now and inside enterprise, at least for some environment, I will > > use Microsoft. > > Beside, in an enterprise environment, you would probably not concern > about > > who is pay the bill related Cal license or whatever! > > They, the guys who owner the company and, mainly, the IT Manager wants > the > > job done quickly and well. > > Consider for a moment the data center Windows server 2012. With one payed > > server, you have unlimited VM's installed. > > This kill for good Proxmox for example, a tool that I really love!!! > > Just this example worth to paid license. > > Samba, Linux, and many other open-source tools are very cool, believe me. > > But sometimes, you just need save your job and going forward.... > > That's it! > > On Sep 28, 2016 4:40 AM, "L.P.H. van Belle via samba" < > samba at lists.samba.org> > > wrote: > > > >> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a > >> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional > >> CIFS_AD_DFS solution. > > > > If you need that, nobody stops u from using it, but remember..... > > > > EVERY DEVICE, routers/switchs/printers/phones/pcs/servers etc etc. > > Which ... > > Or gets an ip number of a windows server. > > Or needed to access the server. > > Or routes/passes it.. <<< ofter forgoten.. > > > > NEEDS A LICENCE. > > Like, a CAL is required for each user or device that accesses the > server.. > > > > For me, i save about > > 12 windows servers and licencing for it. > > I save tons of ram and lots of disk space, by example. > > > > My Samba AD DC. ( needs min 1GB ram for now swapping. ) set to 2 GB. > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% > Mounted > > /dev/xvda1 6.0G 993M 4.7G 18% / > > > > > > A clean windows install is 30-40GB .. > > So in the end you save a lot. > > Backup time, !! restore time, data storage etc, etc. > > You try to restore your windows AD DC in 20 min. > > I can with debian and samba. > > About 15 min for the debian install , 5min for restoring samba. > > > > And last, i my hardware breaks, i pull out disk put them in other servers > > and boot up. Done. > > Windows... boot, oww... Licence problems now, since most people use OEM > > licences and not RETAIL. > > But its all choice, thats the nice thing about free. > > But if you compair compair the right way. > > > >>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try > >>> and try and nothing happen > > Yes, repeating your self wont help, test, document, change retest. > > This is why i script my installs. > > > > > >> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of > >> mouse clicks > > Because it save you a LOT of disk space, and less programms, let security > > problems.. less problems in general. > > > > Management, yes, i use the windows RSAT tools, which works fine for me. > > Once the servers are deployed i hardly do anything an a linux server > beside > > the security updates and reboot when needed. > > > > I'm a happy console user for long time now.. > > > > And yes dont stare at one thing, use what you need and what is best for > you > > and your abilities. > > > > > > Greetz, > > > > Louis > > > > > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Steve Litt via > >> samba > >> Verzonden: woensdag 28 september 2016 4:01 > >> Aan: samba at lists.samba.org > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!? > >> > >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:02:15 -0300 > >> Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi list > >>> > >>> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > >>> Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > >>> I will give a try to windows tools.... > >>> The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > >>> server deployments?!? > >>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try > >>> and try and nothing happen! > >>> > >>> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > >>> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but > >>> came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > >>> > >>> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... > >>> > >>> Sorry! But it's time to shift! > >> > >> Better late than never. > >> > >> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a > >> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional > >> CIFS_AD_DFS solution. > >> > >> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of > >> mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen > >> scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like > >> Powershell or Visual Basic. > >> > >> These Samba guys just want to install servers that never go down, but > >> that's lazy thinking. Your server going down gives you the opportunity > >> to do maintenance and updates. A server going down is like a circuit > >> breaker: It's telling you something needs attention. These Samba > >> servers don't have that: You could go years without knowing something's > >> wrong if you don't look at your logs. > >> > >> Truth be told, it's been awhile since I gave Windows CIFS_AD_DFS a real > >> workout. Have they implemented CIFS_AD_DFS config via registry yet? > >> That's so much better than having your whole CIFS_AD_DFS configuration > >> in that one silly flatfile smb.conf. > >> > >> I congratulate you on not blindly following the crowd to Samba, but > >> instead incisively selecting Windows for your CIFS_AD_DFS server! > >> > >> SteveT > >> > >> Steve Litt > >> September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > >> instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > > > > -- > Mit freundlichen Grüßen, / Best Regards, > Sven Schwedas, Systemadministrator > Mail/XMPP sven.schwedas at tao.at | Skype sven.schwedas > TAO Digital | Lendplatz 45 | A8020 Graz > https://www.tao-digital.at | Tel +43 680 301 7167 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba >
On 28 September 2016 at 11:07, Sven Schwedas via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> Okay, can we ban the troll already?OK, here's a devil's advocate post from the other perspective :) Just because someone's views don't align with ones own, doesn't make them a troll. And it is definitely valuable to get feedback from users in terms of what features/functionality are useful to them; to find out where pain points are, etc. etc. What is important to one person may not be important to another, and so on. Having said that, the way in which feedback is given is important; and there is also a question as to whether the thread belongs on this list or in another forum..? Much of this could be categorised into a wider Windows vs Linux debate, or commandline vs GUI, I think - the OP seems to be conflating Linux and Samba together. -- "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein
On 09/28/2016 06:43 AM, Jonathan Hunter via samba wrote:> On 28 September 2016 at 11:07, Sven Schwedas via samba > <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: >> Okay, can we ban the troll already? > OK, here's a devil's advocate post from the other perspective :) Just > because someone's views don't align with ones own, doesn't make them a > troll. And it is definitely valuable to get feedback from users in > terms of what features/functionality are useful to them; to find out > where pain points are, etc. etc. What is important to one person may > not be important to another, and so on. > > Having said that, the way in which feedback is given is important; and > there is also a question as to whether the thread belongs on this list > or in another forum..? Much of this could be categorised into a wider > Windows vs Linux debate, or commandline vs GUI, I think - the OP seems > to be conflating Linux and Samba together. >And, I think we don't understand his problem because he hasn't actually stated his problem. What were his commands that kept "trying over and over," and "trying over and over" to do what? THAT's what belongs on this list, not a general lament that "Samba doesn't have gui tools" (which may be valid)