samba - Mar 2008 - I still don't understand it-- what is the relation between cause and effect?

I have posted more messages, essentially to the same effect... had quite a few 
good answers, but somehow I seem to be missing something ... :-(

Well, I told you already about the workgroup DAARO, which refused to show 
up... I got some suggestions, and, indeed, there it was! I could even log in 
to it.

And then, next morning, I started up my test network, ... no DAARO. However, 
after a restart of samba (/etc/rc.d/rc.samba restart) it appeared again. 
Without any changes in teh config. However, although I saw DAARO, clicking on 
it gave me an error message (something like "device does not exist" in
Dutch). On the other hand, after restarting samba again, still without any 
changes, I could suddenly log in to the domain.

Well, this is not the clear relation between cause and effect which I prefer. 
Of course it is unavoidable once you get involved in a Microsoft mess... .

I think it is time to become somewhat more fundamental(ist). I mean, if I ever 
want to find out what's going on, I will probably have to understand what 
these lousy sloppy Microsoft protocols really do. And of course, being closed 
source, this won't be trivial.

Can anyone point out some documents that give information on the internals of 
MS networking protocols? I think there are some around, but I haven't
located
them yet...

-- 
J.J. Gerritse
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joop gerritse wrote:
> I have posted more messages, essentially to the same effect... had quite a
few
> good answers, but somehow I seem to be missing something ... :-(
>
> Well, I told you already about the workgroup DAARO, which refused to show 
> up... I got some suggestions, and, indeed, there it was! I could even log
in
> to it.
>
> And then, next morning, I started up my test network, ... no DAARO.
However,
> after a restart of samba (/etc/rc.d/rc.samba restart) it appeared again. 
> Without any changes in teh config. However, although I saw DAARO, clicking
on
> it gave me an error message (something like "device does not
exist" in
> Dutch). On the other hand, after restarting samba again, still without any 
> changes, I could suddenly log in to the domain.
>
> Well, this is not the clear relation between cause and effect which I
prefer.
> Of course it is unavoidable once you get involved in a Microsoft mess... .
>
> I think it is time to become somewhat more fundamental(ist). I mean, if I
ever
> want to find out what's going on, I will probably have to understand
what
> these lousy sloppy Microsoft protocols really do. And of course, being
closed
> source, this won't be trivial.
>
> Can anyone point out some documents that give information on the internals
of
> MS networking protocols? I think there are some around, but I haven't
located
> them yet...
>
>   
I think you said you were using Windows 98, correct?  IIRC (from my 
childhood hacking) Windows 98 takes up to 15 minutes to 'see' the 
network.  I think it was a problem with netbui.  To test this theory, 
you could try explicitly putting DAARO in the machines LMHOSTS file.