Luke Leighton (lkcl) has brought up his arguments about control
of Samba before. In October 2000 they resulted in the creation
of a new Samba code branch, samba-tng, which Luke and others who
agreed with his direction were free to do with as they will.
Samba-tng still exists, and we in the Samba Team still wish it
well, but what we can't continue to put up with is Luke still
rehashing the same advocacy that resulted in the creation of
samba-tng on the Samba mailing lists. We had that discussion
many times, we know where it leads.
So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for
three months, in the hope that he will re-focus his efforts on
the project he created, and not re-hash old arguments.
The Samba Team is proud of the open way we develop the Samba code
base. Since the inception of the project in 1991 we have had a
policy of open discussion among developers, users and other
interested parties. We encourage anyone who wants to examine
our commitment to openness to examine the public mailing list
archives themselves. If anyone wants to examine the truth of
what Luke says we also encourage people to look at the public
record of all source code commits to Samba
We all have far too many bugs to fix and technical decisions
to make to continue these distracting discussions on the main
lists. Hope everyone understands,
Regards,
The Samba Team.
About the Samba Team
The Samba Team is a group of software engineers committed to the
development of a top quality solution for Linux/Windows
interoperability. Started in 1992, the team now consists of more
than 20 developers from all over the world.
> So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for> three months, in the hope that he will re-focus his efforts on > the project he created, and not re-hash old arguments. It was unfortunate that we had to do this, but I believe it is necessary. We have tolerated Lukes rewriting of history for far too long, and it now just serves as a distraction. Just so everyone know, the whole team decided to do this, and we have been discussing it for a few days, well before Luke posted his latest missive. Hopefully this will lead to more technical discussion and less politics for a few months. Cheers, Tridge
Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion.
"So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three
months"
There must be another way to work things out.
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Subject: [Samba] Participation on Samba lists
Luke Leighton (lkcl) has brought up his arguments about control of Samba before.
In October 2000 they resulted in the creation of a new Samba code branch,
samba-tng, which Luke and others who agreed with his direction were free to do
with as they will.
Samba-tng still exists, and we in the Samba Team still wish it well, but what we
can't continue to put up with is Luke still rehashing the same advocacy that
resulted in the creation of samba-tng on the Samba mailing lists. We had that
discussion many times, we know where it leads.
So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months,
in the hope that he will re-focus his efforts on the project he created, and not
re-hash old arguments.
The Samba Team is proud of the open way we develop the Samba code base. Since
the inception of the project in 1991 we have had a policy of open discussion
among developers, users and other interested parties. We encourage anyone who
wants to examine our commitment to openness to examine the public mailing list
archives themselves. If anyone wants to examine the truth of what Luke says we
also encourage people to look at the public record of all source code commits to
Samba
We all have far too many bugs to fix and technical decisions
to make to continue these distracting discussions on the main lists. Hope
everyone understands,
Regards,
The Samba Team.
About the Samba Team
The Samba Team is a group of software engineers committed to the development of
a top quality solution for Linux/Windows interoperability. Started in 1992, the
team now consists of more than 20 developers from all over the world.
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>> Regardless of what is going on this is not right in my opinion. >> "So we're going to ban Luke from posting to the Samba Lists for three months" >> >> There must be another way to work things out.> Open to suggestions. We've been trying and they haven't been > working out. This was the action of last resort and we regret having > to resort to it. But we ran out of options. This has been going > on for a long time.My suggestion is, you lift the ban. It just doesn't sound right. It is censorship. We do tolerate all kinds of trolls who quote a lengthy letter for no reason other than to approve of its content, so what's so disruptive in Luke's letter? I personally tried to read Luke's letter but gave up on issues of style, terseness and casing. I'd rather Luke had contributed some new code instead. But banning him is not right. As another suggestion, why don't you create a separate samba mail list "samba-politics" and advise a contributor who doesn't stick to samba-user problems that he/she/it is off-topic? I don't have a problem to skip a posting I'm not interested in. I do have a problem, if someone does it for me. Cheers Dragan