I would like a non-windows management solution for all the stupid windows machines we have. I will gladly exclude any of the win9x machines from this -- so I will be working with win2k and winXP machines. I would like to have the capabilities that AD offers -- but I would rather not use AD. These include things like group policy objects, trusted user accounts data base, etc. All the things a msoft domain offers. I know samba make a good NT4 style domain controller -- But I'm looking for a little more. I'm wondering what other solutions there are... may be a free Novell Directory Service for unix? -- David Bear phone: 480-965-8257 fax: 480-965-9189 College of Public Programs/ASU Wilson Hall 232 Tempe, AZ 85287-0803 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"