Has anyone seen this: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Embedded/sak/evaluation/compare/advantage.asp And has anyone from the Samba team posted a response? It seems like some of the information presented there is contrary to what I know about Samba. ERX
Hi, I would like to post my thoughts. First, our file server performance and rendering times are 1/3 faster using a Linux backbone (I have detailed files). Our FTP site and Web site are more reliable and faster using Linux than Windows. I am also deploying Linux workstations to augment/replace our Windows workstations and ad to our OSX presence (watch out for OSX, it will be a major player top come) due to; - more fleaxable interface (X vs Windows) and thus better workflow for users. - less overhead and thus increased life span of hardware - better (much better) admin tools to remote and automate tasks. Second, ofcourse Open Source has its risks, mainly being accountability. Also, the IT dep has to be sharp and on the ball to properly support Open Source. However (in my opinion), ROI and TCO are more effective when applied to IT personel than IT infrastructure. In other words you will see better reults with scaling your software to your hardware rather than the opposite. Plus your IT staff using Unix (Linux, etc...) will give you the ROI and lower TCO than using Windows and all you really gotta do is empower them with a bit of knowledge and skill. Bri- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, erx wrote:> Has anyone seen this: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Embedded/sak/evaluation/compare/advantage.asp > > And has anyone from the Samba team posted a response? It seems like some of > the information presented there is contrary to what I know about Samba.Why reply to Microsoft? What will it achieve? As things stand we can demonstrate that they are not in touch: - Not with their own customers - Not with Samba capabilities As to 'Truth' - customers make up their own minds on that one. No one can prove 'Truth' to anyone. - John T. -- John H Terpstra Email: jht@samba.org
I was typing my two cents on the whole Win2k/Samba discussion and about to post it. I was going off about the ASP support and the filesystem, RAID and drivers, TCO and time-to-market, blah blah blah... Then I get this email from CERT and decided to trash the whole email and just give everyone a nice link and let them decide if THIS is what they really want as their appliance OS: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-09.html This is only one of many for those who don't deal with MS servers on a regular basis. Just search CERT for "IIS" and you'll see. I thought they had whole teams of IT people testing these things so the OEM didn't have to, right? :) Khanh Tran Network Operations Sarah Lawrence College -----Original Message----- From: erx [mailto:esteadle@spinnakernet.com] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:21 PM To: John H Terpstra Cc: samba@lists.samba.org Subject: RE: [Samba] Samba vs Windows SAK Hi, I wasn't looking for a response to Microsoft. You're right, they could care less what the linux community thinks. What I was looking for was a response for those who might be trying to make a decision about whether to invest in a Microsoft SAK based product, or whether to try using a Linux+Samba based solution. The fact that we *could* demonstrate these things (but haven't) is not sufficient. Not to me, not to those who might be deciding. As far as truth goes, I couldn't disagree more. Truth is relative; truth changes over time. It is affected by what you see, hear, read, and believe. I can affect your truth; you can affect mine. If it weren't true, there would be no point at all to marketing. So you know of nothing, then, that counters Microsoft's arguments? ERX>-----Original Message----- >From: John H Terpstra [mailto:jht@samba.org] >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:11 PM >To: erx >Cc: samba@lists.samba.org >Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba vs Windows SAK > > >On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, erx wrote: > >> Has anyone seen this: >> >http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Embedded/sak/evaluation/compare/adva >ntage.asp >> >> And has anyone from the Samba team posted a response? It seems like someof>> the information presented there is contrary to what I know about Samba. > >Why reply to Microsoft? What will it achieve? >As things stand we can demonstrate that they are not in touch: > - Not with their own customers > - Not with Samba capabilities > >As to 'Truth' - customers make up their own minds on that one. No one can >prove 'Truth' to anyone. > >- John T. >-- >John H Terpstra >Email: jht@samba.org-- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 05:45, erx wrote:> Has anyone seen this: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Embedded/sak/evaluation/compare/advantage.asp > > And has anyone from the Samba team posted a response? It seems like some of > the information presented there is contrary to what I know about Samba.When that paper was written, it was actually relatively accurate. The thing I enjoyed most about it was the fact that we now had a very nicely packaged 'todo' list. As JHT points out, we are pretty well finished on getting that TODO list done! Other items on the list came down to 'too much choice v MS picks it for you', and still others picked out things that really were just plain silly - like the different AC v LT quotas (that mess was insane!). Finally, there is one point that they make well: If you are a vendor, and you chose Samba, you have the costs of integrating it into your environment - but they neglect to mention that you also have the opportunity to integrate it into your environment - not integrate your environment into it! (This is what makes a Samba NAS more than a rack-mounted Windows install IMHO). Andrew Bartlett -- Andrew Bartlett abartlet@pcug.org.au Manager, Authentication Subsystems, Samba Team abartlet@samba.org Student Network Administrator, Hawker College abartlet@hawkerc.net http://samba.org http://build.samba.org http://hawkerc.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/attachments/20030318/78822919/attachment.bin
erx (esteadle@spinnakernet.com) wrote*:> >Hi, > > SNIP < > > If it weren't true, there would be no point at all to marketing.Marketing isn't based on truth.> > >So you know of nothing, then, that counters Microsoft's arguments?"Truth in advertising" doesn't apply to Microsoft.> > > >ERX > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John H Terpstra [mailto:jht@samba.org] >>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:11 PM >>To: erx >>Cc: samba@lists.samba.org >>Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba vs Windows SAK >> >> >>On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, erx wrote: >> >>> Has anyone seen this: >>> >>http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Embedded/sak/evaluation/compare/adva >>ntage.asp >>> >>> And has anyone from the Samba team posted a response? It seems like some of >>> the information presented there is contrary to what I know about Samba. >> >>Why reply to Microsoft? What will it achieve? >>As things stand we can demonstrate that they are not in touch: >>- Not with their own customers>>- Not with Samba capabilities>> >>As to 'Truth' - customers make up their own minds on that one. No one can >>prove 'Truth' to anyone. >> >>- John T. >>-- >>John H Terpstra >>Email: jht@samba.org > >