samba - Nov 2001 - Samba Migration

Well, I have successfully migrated about 75 Windows 95/98 machines over to
using Samba as a PDC, it works better than I expected.  Much faster than NT
or OS2.  However I have a few questions?  There are a couple of machines
that will not use the Samba box to authenticate.  I know that the network
config on these machines is correct as they were working before, and the net
properties have been set the same as all the other ones that actually work.
These machines are all on extremely old versions of MS Win 95.  I think it
has something to do with the MS Networking Client for Windows 95, does
anyone know where I can find an updated version that is compatible with
Samba (2.2.idontknow).  Or if there is any other possible workaround.  These
machines are schedules to be upgraded to w98, but I need something quick in
the mean time.

You may be dealing with a problem of encrypted passwords ...
Older version of Win95 used cleartext passwords, while newer
versions use encrypted passwords.  The two auth techniques are
not compatable.
Find a time when you can do some tests and change the server
config to use cleartext passwords and see if the problem stations
can now log in.  If so, you'll need to pick one method (encrypt/
cleartext) and configure all workstation to be the same.  The
man page claims that the default is encryption on, but that may
no longer be the default for newer versions of Samba.
[your problem may be something different, since you claim that
everything was working before, be sure to test before doing any
wholesale changes]
Read ENCRYPTION.txt that comes with the samba distribution,
as well as the smb.conf man page (the section on "encrypt passwords=")

Erich Kolb wrote:
>Well, I have successfully migrated about 75 Windows 95/98 machines over to
>using Samba as a PDC, it works better than I expected.  Much faster than NT
>or OS2.  However I have a few questions?  There are a couple of machines
>that will not use the Samba box to authenticate.  I know that the network
>config on these machines is correct as they were working before, and the net
>properties have been set the same as all the other ones that actually work.
>These machines are all on extremely old versions of MS Win 95.  I think it
>has something to do with the MS Networking Client for Windows 95, does
>anyone know where I can find an updated version that is compatible with
>Samba (2.2.idontknow).  Or if there is any other possible workaround.  These
>machines are schedules to be upgraded to w98, but I need something quick in
>the mean time.
>
-- 
Bill Moran
Potential Technology
http://www.potentialtech.com

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Bill Moran wrote:
> You may be dealing with a problem of encrypted passwords ...
> Older version of Win95 used cleartext passwords, while newer
> versions use encrypted passwords.  The two auth techniques are
> not compatable.
Nope.  This is incorrect.  **all** MS operating systems will
use ntlm (password encryption) if the server supports.
Older client would downgrade to clear text, but would
gladly use ntlm if the server supported it.

> man page claims that the default is encryption on, but that may
> no longer be the default for newer versions of Samba.
Huh?   What man page are you reading?  This is a confusing statement
to me.  "encrypt passwords" defaults to "no"








cheers, jerry
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