samba - Aug 2000 - samba development

i started on the nt domains for unix project on the basis of paul ashton's
enthusiastic and "this can't be too hard" attitude, back in august
97.

since then, with the encouragement of a number of people over the last
three years, and with the discouragement of others, the nt domains
protocols are now pretty well understood.

due to that constant discouragement, i no longer find it as enjoyable to
work on samba as i did.  the enjoyment from discovering new ground is no
longer offset by the constant dismissal of the ideas and solutions that i
come up with.

those solutions come from a far-sighted understanding of what is involved,
and what can be achieved.  i never intend to just "solve the problem at
hand", i intend to think ahead of what can be achieved both now _and_ in
the future.

to that end, the constant dismissal of my development approach, the
constant dismissal of coding solutions, the constant dismissal of designs,
is just too much.

if anyone can think of a solution to this, please let me know.  in the
mean-time, i shall find other projects to work on.

all the best,

luke

Quota Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@samba.org>:
> i started on the nt domains for unix project on the
basis of paul ashton's
> enthusiastic and "this can't be too hard" attitude,
back in august 97.
>
> since then, with the encouragement of a number of
people over the last
> three years, and with the discouragement of others,
the nt domains
> protocols are now pretty well understood.
>
> due to that constant discouragement, i no longer find
it as enjoyable to
> work on samba as i did.  the enjoyment from
discovering new ground is no
> longer offset by the constant dismissal of the ideas
and solutions that i
> come up with.
>
> those solutions come from a far-sighted understanding
of what is involved,
> and what can be achieved.  i never intend to just
"solve the problem at
> hand", i intend to think ahead of what can be achieved
both now _and_ in
> the future.
>
> to that end, the constant dismissal of my development
approach, the
> constant dismissal of coding solutions, the constant
dismissal of designs,
> is just too much.
>
> if anyone can think of a solution to this, please let
me know.  in the
> mean-time, i shall find other projects to work on.
>
> all the best,
>
> luke
>
>
> 
HI,
I've been subscribed to samba-ntdom from an year now and
just subscribed to samba-technical to follow closer the
developent of TNG primarily.
I've much appreciated your work in TNG and think you
will be a miss if you decide to leave.
>From what I have seen you seem to person who know best
the DC protocols in samba.

As Samba is a collaborative project and you should take
encouragments and discoraugements on the same way a make
a ballance between the two.

If you think discouragments to win take in account that
discouragments may come from misunderstanding of the
problems your "ar-sighted understanding of what is
involved" instead see.

I think the best way you have to level this problems is
to write a clear paper of your knowings with a rodmap
and weel documented resons to any techincal decison
involved, and you shoud be open on discussion about
that.

I think that with a clear concerted plan you may get
less discouragment and more neutral feedback.

This mail is not intended to offend anyone, if I have
done so please excuse me and my poor english.

I really hope you will not leave samba and TNG
development.

regards,
Simo.

Luke, everyone,

I consider this announcement a very big loss. I haven't been around
long when it comes to Samba, but I know what achievements have been
made that can be lead back to Luke.
What made me worry over the last period has come true; conflicts
among team members lead to demotivation of certain team members, Luke
included.
The appreciation becomes less and less and the attitude towards eachother
seems to be becoming more and more corporate. Good discussions are sometimes
killed by pulling rank; or pulling rank on a branch.
My personal view is that this is not the road to take. I like the samba
project and the idea of interopability with windows.

Luke, I wish you the very best and encourage you to show up on the mailing
lists once in a while. I guess we'll be seeing you around. What I have come
to know is that you don't go unnoticed when working on a project :-).


Sander

>i started on the nt domains for unix project on the basis of paul
ashton's
>enthusiastic and "this can't be too hard" attitude, back in
august 97.
>
>since then, with the encouragement of a number of people over the last
>three years, and with the discouragement of others, the nt domains
>protocols are now pretty well understood.
>
>due to that constant discouragement, i no longer find it as enjoyable to
>work on samba as i did.  the enjoyment from discovering new ground is no
>longer offset by the constant dismissal of the ideas and solutions that i
>come up with.
>
>those solutions come from a far-sighted understanding of what is involved,
>and what can be achieved.  i never intend to just "solve the problem at
>hand", i intend to think ahead of what can be achieved both now _and_
in
>the future.
>
>to that end, the constant dismissal of my development approach, the
>constant dismissal of coding solutions, the constant dismissal of designs,
>is just too much.
>
>if anyone can think of a solution to this, please let me know.  in the
>mean-time, i shall find other projects to work on.
>
>all the best,
>
>luke
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [SMTP:lkcl@samba.org]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 15, 2000 23:17
> To:	Samba NT Domains Mailing List; Samba Mailing List; Multiple
> recipients of list
> Subject:	samba development
> 
> i started on the nt domains for unix project on the basis of paul
ashton's
> enthusiastic and "this can't be too hard" attitude, back in
august 97.
> 
> since then, with the encouragement of a number of people over the last
> three years, and with the discouragement of others, the nt domains
> protocols are now pretty well understood.
> 
> due to that constant discouragement, i no longer find it as enjoyable to
> work on samba as i did.  the enjoyment from discovering new ground is no
> longer offset by the constant dismissal of the ideas and solutions that i
> come up with.
> 
> those solutions come from a far-sighted understanding of what is involved,
> and what can be achieved.  i never intend to just "solve the problem
at
> hand", i intend to think ahead of what can be achieved both now _and_
in
> the future.
> 
> to that end, the constant dismissal of my development approach, the
> constant dismissal of coding solutions, the constant dismissal of designs,
> is just too much.
> 
> if anyone can think of a solution to this, please let me know.  in the
> mean-time, i shall find other projects to work on.
> 
> all the best,
> 
> luke
> 
	Dude, I'm sorry to hear this.  You'll be sorely missed.

Hi Luke, and everyone else,

As Sander, I haven't been around for a long time, and as
others I'm a little saddened.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 01:16:39PM +1000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> i started on the nt domains for unix project on the basis of paul
ashton's
> enthusiastic and "this can't be too hard" attitude, back in
august 97.
> 
> since then, with the encouragement of a number of people over the last
> three years, and with the discouragement of others, the nt domains
> protocols are now pretty well understood.
> 
> due to that constant discouragement, i no longer find it as enjoyable to
> work on samba as i did.  the enjoyment from discovering new ground is no
> longer offset by the constant dismissal of the ideas and solutions that i
> come up with.
> 
> those solutions come from a far-sighted understanding of what is involved,
> and what can be achieved.  i never intend to just "solve the problem
at
> hand", i intend to think ahead of what can be achieved both now _and_
in
> the future.
As I'm quite closely envolved in the same area, I have to
say, that I've mostly agreed with many of your ideas and
things, you wanted to change. This is not, because I would
always say "Yes" to everything you say (there are things,
where we're quite on differente sides.), but because I
think I understand most of it and I think you're simply
right.
I didn't often jump in to say so. I mostly thought, that
you are well able to make your point yourself. :)

> to that end, the constant dismissal of my development approach, the
> constant dismissal of coding solutions, the constant dismissal of designs,
> is just too much.
> 
> if anyone can think of a solution to this, please let me know.  in the
> mean-time, i shall find other projects to work on.
No. Currently, I haven't got any reasonable solution.

> all the best,
I also wish you good luck! I will surely miss you.

> luke

    Elrond

> In other words -- from R&D to production.
that's been happening for two to three years.  the problem comes when it
is "assessed" that those people responsible for the production
releases do
not accept the development of ideas, despite proof-of-concept bloody well
staring at them in the face.

i admit that i have not outlined _all_ of the aims behind the samba
dce/rpc development: i am basically aiming for a portable [that means no
threads] ms-compatible dce/rpc development environment.

to that end, various "short-cuts" that have been proposed, such as the
one
by andrew tridgell yesterday on the samba-technical mailing list do not
pull any weight.  arguments such as, "it is unlikely that" and
"not
frequently used" combined with "too complex a concept" to
conclude that
"the idea is therefore not justifiable" just do not pull any weight
when
aiming to provide the sort of functionality that a dce/rpc environment
requires.

it is somewhat unfortunate that samba is in fact "just a file and print
server".  i have been trying to break out the dce/rpc services for some
time.

perhaps the suggestion i had of breaking out an independent source fork
has merit.