Hello all. I''m living in Spain, and I''m offered a job in a Berlin IT company as a Rails developer. I''m considered a junior developer (almost 1 year experience) but I think I''m pretty good for this time. I would like to ask what would be considered a good salary for such a position. I mean, what amount would be good and could make a decent life out of (apartment bill, internet, food etc.). I don''t know if this matters, but I will relocate there. Also, does anybody knows what''s the average IT salary in Berlin for Rails developers? Thanks, Santiago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/WCz0-GmP0jUJ. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Am 24.09.2012 um 20:17 schrieb powi <corestudiosinc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: Hi Santiago> > > Also, does anybody knows what''s the average IT salary in Berlin for Rails developers? > >I work in Berlin for 60.- / h as a freelancer. As a junior, it will be less. Depends also from your age/experience. In the moment they are quite desperate looking for rails people... Berlin itself is relatively cheep to live. But rising rapidly, depends where you want to stay. Werner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Hi Werner. Well I''m 24, I have a lot of experience generally on computers and web development (~10 years). So what would you aim for if you were me? It''s going to be a full-time work, I''m going to be a part of the team. Someone recommended ~50k (I''m a junior in Rails, but learning fast and built some quite good things till now). Also, what would you estimate the life there costs? I mean, the bills (house, electricity, water, food, internet/phone)? Also, I heard the taxes there are quite high, something like 45%? On Monday, 24 September 2012 21:17:02 UTC+3, powi wrote:> > Hello all. > > I''m living in Spain, and I''m offered a job in a Berlin IT company as a > Rails developer. I''m considered a junior developer (almost 1 year > experience) but I think I''m pretty good for this time. > > I would like to ask what would be considered a good salary for such a > position. I mean, what amount would be good and could make a decent life > out of (apartment bill, internet, food etc.). I don''t know if this matters, > but I will relocate there. > > Also, does anybody knows what''s the average IT salary in Berlin for Rails > developers? > > Thanks, > Santiago >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/fMKJkyZOTyoJ. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Am 25.09.2012 um 15:35 schrieb powi <corestudiosinc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: Santiago..> Hi Werner. > > Well I''m 24, I have a lot of experience generally on computers and web development (~10 years). So what would you aim for if you were me? It''s going to be a full-time work, I''m going to be a part of the team. Someone recommended ~50k (I''m a junior in Rails, but learning fast and built some quite good things till now).50k is fine to start.> > Also, what would you estimate the life there costs? I mean, the bills (house, electricity, water, food, internet/phone)?Rent: 500.- for 1-2 Rooms Apartment with furniture 600.-/ 800.- Food : 250.- Transport: 60.- (public) Haircut: 10.- Party...??? when you earn 50k, no kids ..income taxes will be around 30%..but also you have to pay sick- and pension insurance, etc. . So from 50k around 30k will stay in your pocket.. which is not bad for 24 year young guy. Enjoy Berlin..culture is great. o.k. weather is not like Barcelona..no siesta (8:00 - 17:30 straight work), no outdoor sitting in the sun , running around in t-shirt etc..at least not from now to next May. Can be be fucking cold in Jan - March Communication can be mostly in english..no need to learn German..in the beginning. Berlin people are a little direct at times but helpful, but there are so many foreigners.. Go for it.. Spain is not in a good shape right now... Werner> > Also, I heard the taxes there are quite high, something like 45%? > > On Monday, 24 September 2012 21:17:02 UTC+3, powi wrote: > Hello all. > > I''m living in Spain, and I''m offered a job in a Berlin IT company as a Rails developer. I''m considered a junior developer (almost 1 year experience) but I think I''m pretty good for this time. > > I would like to ask what would be considered a good salary for such a position. I mean, what amount would be good and could make a decent life out of (apartment bill, internet, food etc.). I don''t know if this matters, but I will relocate there. > > Also, does anybody knows what''s the average IT salary in Berlin for Rails developers? > > Thanks, > Santiago > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/fMKJkyZOTyoJ. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >Werner Laude webagentur.laude-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Hi Werner, thanks for your helpful answers! When you say 30k, you mean after paying bills (house, food etc), right? On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:39:20 UTC+3, Werner Laude wrote:> > > Am 25.09.2012 um 15:35 schrieb powi <corestu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:>>: > > Santiago.. > > Hi Werner. > > Well I''m 24, I have a lot of experience generally on computers and web > development (~10 years). So what would you aim for if you were me? It''s > going to be a full-time work, I''m going to be a part of the team. Someone > recommended ~50k (I''m a junior in Rails, but learning fast and built some > quite good things till now). > > > 50k is fine to start. > > > Also, what would you estimate the life there costs? I mean, the bills > (house, electricity, water, food, internet/phone)? > > > Rent: 500.- for 1-2 Rooms > Apartment with furniture 600.-/ 800.- > > > Food : 250.- > Transport: 60.- (public) > Haircut: 10.- > Party...??? > > when you earn 50k, no kids ..income taxes will be around 30%..but also you > have to pay sick- and pension insurance, etc. . So from 50k around 30k will > stay in your pocket.. which is not bad for 24 year young guy. > > Enjoy Berlin..culture is great. > o.k. weather is not like Barcelona..no siesta (8:00 - 17:30 straight > work), no outdoor sitting in the sun , running around in t-shirt etc..at > least not from now to next May. Can be be fucking cold in Jan - March > Communication can be mostly in english..no need to learn German..in the > beginning. > Berlin people are a little direct at times but helpful, but there are so > many foreigners.. > > Go for it.. Spain is not in a good shape right now... > > Werner > > > > Also, I heard the taxes there are quite high, something like 45%? > > On Monday, 24 September 2012 21:17:02 UTC+3, powi wrote: >> >> Hello all. >> >> I''m living in Spain, and I''m offered a job in a Berlin IT company as a >> Rails developer. I''m considered a junior developer (almost 1 year >> experience) but I think I''m pretty good for this time. >> >> I would like to ask what would be considered a good salary for such a >> position. I mean, what amount would be good and could make a decent life >> out of (apartment bill, internet, food etc.). I don''t know if this matters, >> but I will relocate there. >> >> Also, does anybody knows what''s the average IT salary in Berlin for Rails >> developers? >> >> Thanks, >> Santiago >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonra...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-ta...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/fMKJkyZOTyoJ. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > Werner Laude > webagent...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:> > > > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/tShkSWHvYPoJ. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Ah, forget my previous post, around ~1,5k will go to paying the bills, food etc. so it''s about 1k staying in your pocket for entertainment or anything else that''s not a required expense. On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:48:46 UTC+3, powi wrote:> > Hi Werner, thanks for your helpful answers! > > When you say 30k, you mean after paying bills (house, food etc), right? > > On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:39:20 UTC+3, Werner Laude wrote: >> >> >> Am 25.09.2012 um 15:35 schrieb powi <corestu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: >> >> Santiago.. >> >> Hi Werner. >> >> Well I''m 24, I have a lot of experience generally on computers and web >> development (~10 years). So what would you aim for if you were me? It''s >> going to be a full-time work, I''m going to be a part of the team. Someone >> recommended ~50k (I''m a junior in Rails, but learning fast and built some >> quite good things till now). >> >> >> 50k is fine to start. >> >> >> Also, what would you estimate the life there costs? I mean, the bills >> (house, electricity, water, food, internet/phone)? >> >> >> Rent: 500.- for 1-2 Rooms >> Apartment with furniture 600.-/ 800.- >> >> >> Food : 250.- >> Transport: 60.- (public) >> Haircut: 10.- >> Party...??? >> >> when you earn 50k, no kids ..income taxes will be around 30%..but also >> you have to pay sick- and pension insurance, etc. . So from 50k around 30k >> will stay in your pocket.. which is not bad for 24 year young guy. >> >> Enjoy Berlin..culture is great. >> o.k. weather is not like Barcelona..no siesta (8:00 - 17:30 straight >> work), no outdoor sitting in the sun , running around in t-shirt etc..at >> least not from now to next May. Can be be fucking cold in Jan - March >> Communication can be mostly in english..no need to learn German..in the >> beginning. >> Berlin people are a little direct at times but helpful, but there are so >> many foreigners.. >> >> Go for it.. Spain is not in a good shape right now... >> >> Werner >> >> >> >> Also, I heard the taxes there are quite high, something like 45%? >> >> On Monday, 24 September 2012 21:17:02 UTC+3, powi wrote: >>> >>> Hello all. >>> >>> I''m living in Spain, and I''m offered a job in a Berlin IT company as a >>> Rails developer. I''m considered a junior developer (almost 1 year >>> experience) but I think I''m pretty good for this time. >>> >>> I would like to ask what would be considered a good salary for such a >>> position. I mean, what amount would be good and could make a decent life >>> out of (apartment bill, internet, food etc.). I don''t know if this matters, >>> but I will relocate there. >>> >>> Also, does anybody knows what''s the average IT salary in Berlin for >>> Rails developers? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Santiago >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonra...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-ta...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/fMKJkyZOTyoJ. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> Werner Laude >> webagent...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >> >> >> >>-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/_Qho7U6JWC0J. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Hi Werner, Any recommendations on work visas for Americans for those of us without an EU passport? Thanks, Evan On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:52 AM, powi <corestudiosinc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Ah, forget my previous post, around ~1,5k will go to paying the bills, > food etc. so it''s about 1k staying in your pocket for entertainment or > anything else that''s not a required expense. > > > On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:48:46 UTC+3, powi wrote: >> >> Hi Werner, thanks for your helpful answers! >> >> When you say 30k, you mean after paying bills (house, food etc), right? >> >> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:39:20 UTC+3, Werner Laude wrote: >>> >>> >>> Am 25.09.2012 um 15:35 schrieb powi <corestu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: >>> >>> Santiago.. >>> >>> Hi Werner. >>> >>> Well I''m 24, I have a lot of experience generally on computers and web >>> development (~10 years). So what would you aim for if you were me? It''s >>> going to be a full-time work, I''m going to be a part of the team. Someone >>> recommended ~50k (I''m a junior in Rails, but learning fast and built some >>> quite good things till now). >>> >>> >>> 50k is fine to start. >>> >>> >>> Also, what would you estimate the life there costs? I mean, the bills >>> (house, electricity, water, food, internet/phone)? >>> >>> >>> Rent: 500.- for 1-2 Rooms >>> Apartment with furniture 600.-/ 800.- >>> >>> >>> Food : 250.- >>> Transport: 60.- (public) >>> Haircut: 10.- >>> Party...??? >>> >>> when you earn 50k, no kids ..income taxes will be around 30%..but also >>> you have to pay sick- and pension insurance, etc. . So from 50k around 30k >>> will stay in your pocket.. which is not bad for 24 year young guy. >>> >>> Enjoy Berlin..culture is great. >>> o.k. weather is not like Barcelona..no siesta (8:00 - 17:30 straight >>> work), no outdoor sitting in the sun , running around in t-shirt etc..at >>> least not from now to next May. Can be be fucking cold in Jan - March >>> Communication can be mostly in english..no need to learn German..in the >>> beginning. >>> Berlin people are a little direct at times but helpful, but there are so >>> many foreigners.. >>> >>> Go for it.. Spain is not in a good shape right now... >>> >>> Werner >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, I heard the taxes there are quite high, something like 45%? >>> >>> On Monday, 24 September 2012 21:17:02 UTC+3, powi wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello all. >>>> >>>> I''m living in Spain, and I''m offered a job in a Berlin IT company as a >>>> Rails developer. I''m considered a junior developer (almost 1 year >>>> experience) but I think I''m pretty good for this time. >>>> >>>> I would like to ask what would be considered a good salary for such a >>>> position. I mean, what amount would be good and could make a decent life >>>> out of (apartment bill, internet, food etc.). I don''t know if this matters, >>>> but I will relocate there. >>>> >>>> Also, does anybody knows what''s the average IT salary in Berlin for >>>> Rails developers? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Santiago >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonra...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-ta...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>> msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/**fMKJkyZOTyoJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/fMKJkyZOTyoJ> >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Werner Laude >>> webagent...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/_Qho7U6JWC0J. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > >-- Evan Misshula Doctoral Student (Criminal Justice) CUNY John Jay "Let us reform our schools, and we shall find little reform needed in our prisons." 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In the past month I''ve applied for a company in berlin, I am from brazil, but when the HR guy told me about the taxes, it drives me crazy. About Wener''s explanation, 30k is the amount that you will receive after all taxes discounts. What means that if you have a salary around 4k you are going to receive just 2.5k after all discount and health insurance. It seems to be a good amount, but for me to relocate to another country being a brazilian is not a big deal. But like some guys always say: money is not everything. Work with great people and make difference and a beautiful code is priceless. Good luck with your application []''s 2012/9/25 Evan Misshula <evanmisshula-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> Hi Werner, > > Any recommendations on work visas for Americans for those of us without an > EU passport? > > Thanks, > Evan > > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:52 AM, powi <corestudiosinc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> Ah, forget my previous post, around ~1,5k will go to paying the bills, >> food etc. so it''s about 1k staying in your pocket for entertainment or >> anything else that''s not a required expense. >> >> >> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:48:46 UTC+3, powi wrote: >>> >>> Hi Werner, thanks for your helpful answers! >>> >>> When you say 30k, you mean after paying bills (house, food etc), right? >>> >>> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:39:20 UTC+3, Werner Laude wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 25.09.2012 um 15:35 schrieb powi <corestu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: >>>> >>>> Santiago.. >>>> >>>> Hi Werner. >>>> >>>> Well I''m 24, I have a lot of experience generally on computers and web >>>> development (~10 years). So what would you aim for if you were me? It''s >>>> going to be a full-time work, I''m going to be a part of the team. Someone >>>> recommended ~50k (I''m a junior in Rails, but learning fast and built some >>>> quite good things till now). >>>> >>>> >>>> 50k is fine to start. >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, what would you estimate the life there costs? I mean, the bills >>>> (house, electricity, water, food, internet/phone)? >>>> >>>> >>>> Rent: 500.- for 1-2 Rooms >>>> Apartment with furniture 600.-/ 800.- >>>> >>>> >>>> Food : 250.- >>>> Transport: 60.- (public) >>>> Haircut: 10.- >>>> Party...??? >>>> >>>> when you earn 50k, no kids ..income taxes will be around 30%..but also >>>> you have to pay sick- and pension insurance, etc. . So from 50k around 30k >>>> will stay in your pocket.. which is not bad for 24 year young guy. >>>> >>>> Enjoy Berlin..culture is great. >>>> o.k. weather is not like Barcelona..no siesta (8:00 - 17:30 straight >>>> work), no outdoor sitting in the sun , running around in t-shirt etc..at >>>> least not from now to next May. Can be be fucking cold in Jan - March >>>> Communication can be mostly in english..no need to learn German..in the >>>> beginning. >>>> Berlin people are a little direct at times but helpful, but there are >>>> so many foreigners.. >>>> >>>> Go for it.. Spain is not in a good shape right now... >>>> >>>> Werner >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, I heard the taxes there are quite high, something like 45%? >>>> >>>> On Monday, 24 September 2012 21:17:02 UTC+3, powi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello all. >>>>> >>>>> I''m living in Spain, and I''m offered a job in a Berlin IT company as a >>>>> Rails developer. I''m considered a junior developer (almost 1 year >>>>> experience) but I think I''m pretty good for this time. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to ask what would be considered a good salary for such a >>>>> position. I mean, what amount would be good and could make a decent life >>>>> out of (apartment bill, internet, food etc.). I don''t know if this matters, >>>>> but I will relocate there. >>>>> >>>>> Also, does anybody knows what''s the average IT salary in Berlin for >>>>> Rails developers? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Santiago >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonra...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-ta...@** >>>> googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>> msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/**fMKJkyZOTyoJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/fMKJkyZOTyoJ> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Werner Laude >>>> webagent...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/_Qho7U6JWC0J. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Evan Misshula > Doctoral Student (Criminal Justice) > CUNY John Jay > "Let us reform our schools, and we shall find little reform needed in our > prisons." > John Ruskin, Unto This Last, essay 2 (1862) > English critic, essayist, & reformer (1819 - 1900) > > "Instruction does much, but encouragement does everything." 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