Our client is looking extremely bright individuals, who can help take this start-up to the next level. Send me your resumes. Requirements: - B.S. in Computer Science with 4+ years or M.S. in Computer Science with 2+ years of industry experience - Experience building large-scale server applications and reliable software - Expert level understanding of XML, JSON and Web Services - Expert level experience with an object oriented programming language (Ruby on Rails preferred) - Expert level experience with Database schema design, SQL and MySQL - Experience building social products (FB Connect, twitter API) is a plus - Strong problem solving and analytical skills - Highly motivated self-starter - Ability to tackle challenging problems on a tight schedule - Prior experience with building platform technologies a plus - Experience with Amazon Web Services (EC2, RDS, S3, MapReduce) a plus - Experience processing big data / NoSQL (MongoDB, DynamoDB, Redis) - Knowledge in machine-learning, natural language processing, and/or information retrieval are pluses - You learn new languages and technologies quickly, are innovative, enjoy challenges and have a great work ethic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/YqoBfKuPzKsJ. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of living and cannot judge the value of the package) No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" groupon clone) Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Peter ... you are absolutely right. BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and beautiful sea and beaches. :-) BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. Greek companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java technologies and .NET Panayotis On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Peter Hickman < peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! > > No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) > No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of > living and cannot judge the value of the package) > No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" > groupon clone) > > Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will > apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it > because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a > post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > >-- Panayotis Matsinopoulos *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS <http://sms.rayo.gr/> *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Peter Hickman <peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! > > No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job)That''s the big one for me. If they can''t even put such extremely important basic information in their post, especially while they blather on and on about their so-called "requirements", they have their priorities SO skewed, or chaotic, that I probably don''t want to deal with them at all in the first place.> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" > groupon clone)I see this all the time from external recruiters who don''t want to reveal who the client is, in fear that candidates will go behind their backs and apply to the company directly. Can''t blame ''em, really. -Dave -- Dave Aronson, Available Secret-Cleared Ruby/Rails Freelancer (VA/DC/Remote); see www.DaveAronson.com, www.Codosaur.us, and www.Dare2XL.com for more info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Dave Aronson <googlegroups2dave-BRiZGj7G2yRXqviUI+FSNg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Peter Hickman > <peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >> >> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) > > That''s the big one for me. If they can''t even put such extremely > important basic information in their post, especially while they > blather on and on about their so-called "requirements", they have > their priorities SO skewed, or chaotic, that I probably don''t want to > deal with them at all in the first place.Most companies will state such a thing during the interview so why get your knickers knotted? The fact of the matter is what makes you such a good candidate if you get so butt hurt over such a simple thing instead of asking the simple question to the recruiter and then basing your decision on that. Ambition at all? I would just as well give up on myself if I got my knickers knotted over anything I could clarify by simply asking a question and didn''t even think or bother to ask that question... At that point, it just means I lost the game because I''m not even able to do the simplest things a programmer should do, like ask questions to get clarification. Jump down off the horse, join the real world. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jordon Bedwell <envygeeks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Jump down off the horse, join the real world.In the real world, *smart* recruiters include the essential information up front so they don''t have to individually respond to every potential candidate asking the exact same questions. You are, of course, free to deal with clueless recruiters :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org http://about.me/hassanschroeder twitter: @hassan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
To be honest I always assume that the location is the US and given that an ocean lies between us stop reading them. Of course given the size of the US I would probably want to know at least the state they are in if I was American. A city would be preferable :) What gets to me is the lack of industry sector, there are some areas I do not want to work in, they are some that I am very interested in. But as the recruiter has not said I assume the worse (another groupon clone) and skip the ad. Also I have no intention of giving my CV to a recruiter just so they can pester me with jobs I have no interest in (some recruiters go strait to trash, I have mail rules to deal with them). So I''m not going to send my CV in on spec. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jordon Bedwell <envygeeks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Most companies will state such a thing during the interview so why get > your knickers knotted?Do you have infinite time for interviews? I''d much rather know ASAP that it''s not going to pan out. It''s just another form of "fail fast".> The fact of the matter is what makes you such > a good candidate if you get so butt hurt over such a simple thing > instead of asking the simple question to the recruiterI do. If you frequent the Ruby groups on LinkedIn, you''ll see dozens of messages from me asking some idiotic excuse of a recruiter, "Location?!". I used to bother typing out something like "Could you please tell us where this job is located?" -- but that got tiresome after the first several in the same day. Not surprisingly, the majority of these so-called "recruiters" are just plain drive-by spammers who don''t bother answering. -Dave -- Dave Aronson, Available Secret-Cleared Ruby/Rails Freelancer (VA/DC/Remote); see www.DaveAronson.com, www.Codosaur.us, and www.Dare2XL.com for more info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Peter Hickman <peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> To be honest I always assume that the location is the USAs far as the ones I''ve seen on LinkedIn go, you''re usually right, but in a significant number of cases it turns out to be somewhere in India. Of course, that''s still probably far from you. Once in a while, though, it turns out to be London, which I''d guess is much closer to you. (Unless maybe you meant the *other* ocean bordering the USA.)> Of course given the size of the US > I would probably want to know at least the state they > are in if I was American. A city would be preferable :)Exactly. And even within a city, a more precise location can make a big difference. I live about 20 miles west of Washington DC. I''ll commute by Metro to the west corner (it''s shaped like a square on a point), maybe even the middle, but not the far point, nor transfer in the middle to hit the north or south parts, unless it''s an utterly fantastic opportunity. And parts I can''t get to by Metro are right out.> What gets to me is the lack of industry sector, there are some areas I > do not want to work in, they are some that I am very interested in. > But as the recruiter has not said I assume the worse (another groupon > clone) and skip the ad.Huh. I don''t think I''d advise that tactic, but whatever floats your boat....> Also I have no intention of giving my CV to a recruiter just so they > can pester me with jobs I have no interest in (some recruiters go > strait to trash, I have mail rules to deal with them). So I''m not > going to send my CV in on spec.I''ll send it on *some* degree of spec. They have to at least mention what sounds at first like a reasonably appropriate job. If their first contact to me is to ddress me as "Dear Actively" and try to talk me into being a Sharepoint Administrator in Ohmygod Nebraska, no, the email gets marked as spam, and I take anything else they send me with more and more grains of salt. (Sharepoint appears nowhere on my resume or profiles, which all clearly state I''m looking in or near Northern Virginia, or remotely, and Nebraska is about 1100 miles away.) But if the emai addresses me by correct name, references specific experience on my resume, and is for, say, a C++ job in Reston (about 10 miles away, and I''ve worked there before), okay, I''m not much interested in C++ right now, but it was an honest try, that fits with what I desires could fit on a resume. That one, I''ll give a resume, except maybe if they say they only handle C++ jobs. -Dave -- Dave Aronson, Available Secret-Cleared Ruby/Rails Freelancer (VA/DC/Remote); see www.DaveAronson.com, www.Codosaur.us, and www.Dare2XL.com for more info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of going bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is nice when you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to be nationalized, drop in value, or start paying you in some bogus currency which they''ve been printing 24/7 for 3 months (= little real value). 2012/9/14 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org>> Peter ... you are absolutely right. > > BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and > beautiful sea and beaches. > :-) > > BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. Greek > companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java technologies and > .NET > > Panayotis > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Peter Hickman < > peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >> >> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) >> No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of >> living and cannot judge the value of the package) >> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" >> groupon clone) >> >> Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will >> apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it >> because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a >> post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > -- > Panayotis Matsinopoulos > *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS <http://sms.rayo.gr/> > *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org > *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr > *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 > *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos > *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos > *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino > *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos > *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos > *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 > *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos > *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > >-- Pagarbiai, Gintautas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Gintautas Šimkus <dihitales-Re5JQEeQqe8@public.gmane.orgm>wrote:> Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of going > bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is nice when > you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to be > nationalized, drop in value, or start paying you in some bogus currency > which they''ve been printing 24/7 for 3 months (= little real value). >@Gintautas ....Ah ok. Thanks for telling me that. You may also need to find ways to improve your sense of humor. BR Panayotis P.S. I am working for a Greek company that has 200% sales growth every year the last 3 years. We are 80 people, only, and we now have 130M Euro in sales by end of August, only for 2012. Hope we reach 200M Euro by end of year. Believe me, that we have good ways to circumvent any bankruptcy. Also, believe me, that rumors is something that we do not base our business on.> 2012/9/14 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org> > >> Peter ... you are absolutely right. >> >> BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and >> beautiful sea and beaches. >> :-) >> >> BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. Greek >> companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java technologies and >> .NET >> >> Panayotis >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Peter Hickman < >> peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >>> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >>> >>> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) >>> No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of >>> living and cannot judge the value of the package) >>> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" >>> groupon clone) >>> >>> Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will >>> apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it >>> because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a >>> post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Panayotis Matsinopoulos >> *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS<http://sms.rayo.gr/> >> *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org >> *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr >> *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 >> *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos >> *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >> *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino >> *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos >> *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos >> *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 >> *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >> *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Pagarbiai, > Gintautas > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > >-- Panayotis Matsinopoulos *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS <http://sms.rayo.gr/> *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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No problem. I deduce you are Greek. And that you tried to advocate working in Greece is similar to working in DE or US, which is not that case at this point. I mean people should decide by themselves where to work. And working in Greece (or any other country) is OK with me. I was just pointing out that the same job proposal could be crap under certain circumstances. I am simply for telling people where they''d be working for right off. You tried to defend Greece as a viable option. It might be, I don''t know, but relocating there would pose serious questions for an informed applicant. You know where there is high risk, there is also an opportunity. So Greece is OK, again, in my book, but letting people know whether they''d be working in Beirut or NY could be a page turner for most. 2012/9/15 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org>> > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Gintautas Šimkus <dihitales@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of going >> bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is nice when >> you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to be >> nationalized, drop in value, or start paying you in some bogus currency >> which they''ve been printing 24/7 for 3 months (= little real value). >> > > @Gintautas ....Ah ok. Thanks for telling me that. You may also need to > find ways to improve your sense of humor. > > BR > Panayotis > P.S. I am working for a Greek company that has 200% sales growth every > year the last 3 years. We are 80 people, only, and we now have 130M Euro in > sales by end of August, only for 2012. Hope we reach 200M Euro by end of > year. Believe me, that we have good ways to circumvent any bankruptcy. > Also, believe me, that rumors is something that we do not base our business > on. > > > > > >> 2012/9/14 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org> >> >>> Peter ... you are absolutely right. >>> >>> BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and >>> beautiful sea and beaches. >>> :-) >>> >>> BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. Greek >>> companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java technologies and >>> .NET >>> >>> Panayotis >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Peter Hickman < >>> peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>> >>>> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >>>> >>>> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) >>>> No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of >>>> living and cannot judge the value of the package) >>>> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" >>>> groupon clone) >>>> >>>> Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will >>>> apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it >>>> because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a >>>> post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Panayotis Matsinopoulos >>> *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS<http://sms.rayo.gr/> >>> *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org >>> *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr >>> *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 >>> *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos >>> *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >>> *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino >>> *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos >>> *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos >>> *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 >>> *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >>> *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Pagarbiai, >> Gintautas >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Panayotis Matsinopoulos > *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS <http://sms.rayo.gr/> > *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org > *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr > *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 > *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos > *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos > *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino > *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos > *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos > *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 > *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos > *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > >-- Pagarbiai, Gintautas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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No problem. I deduce you are Greek. And that you tried to advocate working in Greece is similar to working in DE or US, which is not that case at this point. I mean people should decide by themselves where to work. And working in Greece (or any other country) is OK with me. I was just pointing out that the same job proposal could be crap under certain circumstances. I am simply for telling people where they''d be working fof 2012/9/15 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org>> > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Gintautas Šimkus <dihitales@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of going >> bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is nice when >> you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to be >> nationalized, drop in value, or start paying you in some bogus currency >> which they''ve been printing 24/7 for 3 months (= little real value). >> > > @Gintautas ....Ah ok. Thanks for telling me that. You may also need to > find ways to improve your sense of humor. > > BR > Panayotis > P.S. I am working for a Greek company that has 200% sales growth every > year the last 3 years. We are 80 people, only, and we now have 130M Euro in > sales by end of August, only for 2012. Hope we reach 200M Euro by end of > year. Believe me, that we have good ways to circumvent any bankruptcy. > Also, believe me, that rumors is something that we do not base our business > on. > > > > > >> 2012/9/14 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org> >> >>> Peter ... you are absolutely right. >>> >>> BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and >>> beautiful sea and beaches. >>> :-) >>> >>> BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. Greek >>> companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java technologies and >>> .NET >>> >>> Panayotis >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Peter Hickman < >>> peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>> >>>> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >>>> >>>> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) >>>> No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of >>>> living and cannot judge the value of the package) >>>> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" >>>> groupon clone) >>>> >>>> Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will >>>> apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it >>>> because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a >>>> post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Panayotis Matsinopoulos >>> *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS<http://sms.rayo.gr/> >>> *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org >>> *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr >>> *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 >>> *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos >>> *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >>> *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino >>> *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos >>> *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos >>> *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 >>> *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >>> *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Pagarbiai, >> Gintautas >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Panayotis Matsinopoulos > *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS <http://sms.rayo.gr/> > *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org > *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr > *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 > *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos > *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos > *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino > *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos > *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos > *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 > *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos > *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > >-- Pagarbiai, Gintautas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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Well if a country requests billions in euros of help, it indicates that they are not ''well'' nation wide. I meant that the country of work is important and should be mentioned in a job proposal. That''s it. Yeah I must''ve missed the joke on this one. It looked like a Greek tried to defend the proposition that working next to a sea is more important than the longer term guarantees for an applicant. If you take the fact that Greece is a step from bankrupt, then this mailing list is not a place to defend such claim. Just let people know and they''ll decide by themselves. 2012/9/15 Gintautas Šimkus <dihitales-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> No problem. I deduce you are Greek. And that you tried to advocate working > in Greece is similar to working in DE or US, which is not that case at this > point. > > I mean people should decide by themselves where to work. And working in > Greece (or any other country) is OK with me. I was just pointing out that > the same job proposal could be crap under certain circumstances. > > I am simply for telling people where they''d be working fof > > > 2012/9/15 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org> > >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Gintautas Šimkus <dihitales@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of going >>> bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is nice when >>> you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to be >>> nationalized, drop in value, or start paying you in some bogus currency >>> which they''ve been printing 24/7 for 3 months (= little real value). >>> >> >> @Gintautas ....Ah ok. Thanks for telling me that. You may also need to >> find ways to improve your sense of humor. >> >> BR >> Panayotis >> P.S. I am working for a Greek company that has 200% sales growth every >> year the last 3 years. We are 80 people, only, and we now have 130M Euro in >> sales by end of August, only for 2012. Hope we reach 200M Euro by end of >> year. Believe me, that we have good ways to circumvent any bankruptcy. >> Also, believe me, that rumors is something that we do not base our business >> on. >> >> >> >> >> >>> 2012/9/14 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org> >>> >>>> Peter ... you are absolutely right. >>>> >>>> BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and >>>> beautiful sea and beaches. >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. >>>> Greek companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java >>>> technologies and .NET >>>> >>>> Panayotis >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Peter Hickman < >>>> peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >>>>> >>>>> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) >>>>> No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of >>>>> living and cannot judge the value of the package) >>>>> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" >>>>> groupon clone) >>>>> >>>>> Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will >>>>> apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it >>>>> because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a >>>>> post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh4Ykp1iOSErHA@public.gmane.orgm >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Panayotis Matsinopoulos >>>> *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS<http://sms.rayo.gr/> >>>> *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org >>>> *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr >>>> *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 >>>> *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos >>>> *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >>>> *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino >>>> *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos >>>> *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos >>>> *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 >>>> *CodeProject:* >>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >>>> *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Pagarbiai, >>> Gintautas >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Panayotis Matsinopoulos >> *P.S.:* I am sending SMS over the WEB using Rayo SMS<http://sms.rayo.gr/> >> *E-mail*: panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org >> *Site:* http://www.matsinopoulos.gr >> *Mobile:* +30 697 26 69 766 >> *Skype Id: *panayotis.matsinopoulos >> *Facebook: *http://www.facebook.com/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >> *Twitter:* http://www.twitter.com/pmatsino >> *LinkedIN:* http://www.linkedin.com/in/panayotismatsinopoulos >> *Github*: https://github.com/pmatsinopoulos >> *Rubygems:* https://rubygems.org/profiles/55099 >> *CodeProject:* http://www.codeproject.com/Members/PanayotisMatsinopoulos >> *ODesk Profile:* https://www.odesk.com/users/~~c84135e75d1f2303 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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@Gintautas I agree with you that all the details of a job posting should be there from the beginning. But, please, exactly as you say that "this mailing list is not a place to defend claims about Greece being a step from bankrupt" you need to know that *this mailing list is not for you to tell anybody that Greece is a step from bankrupt in the first place. NO IT IS NOT A FACT* that has to do anything with this list. * * Is that clear? I believe that we need to start talking seriously here. Ask for job postings to be fully detailed - and I am all with you, but stop telling whether Greece is a step before or after anything. It is the person who will read the post that will make his own research/search about it. Panayotis On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Gintautas Šimkus <dihitales-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>wrote:> Well if a country requests billions in euros of help, it indicates that > they are not ''well'' nation wide. I meant that the country of work is > important and should be mentioned in a job proposal. That''s it. > > Yeah I must''ve missed the joke on this one. It looked like a Greek tried > to defend the proposition that working next to a sea is more important than > the longer term guarantees for an applicant. > > If you take the fact that Greece is a step from bankrupt, then this > mailing list is not a place to defend such claim. Just let people know and > they''ll decide by themselves. > > > 2012/9/15 Gintautas Šimkus <dihitales-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > >> No problem. I deduce you are Greek. And that you tried to advocate >> working in Greece is similar to working in DE or US, which is not that case >> at this point. >> >> I mean people should decide by themselves where to work. And working in >> Greece (or any other country) is OK with me. I was just pointing out that >> the same job proposal could be crap under certain circumstances.ou >> >> I am simply for telling people where they''d be working fof >> >> >> 2012/9/15 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org> >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Gintautas Šimkus <dihitales@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of >>>> going bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is >>>> nice when you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to >>>> be nationalized, drop in value, or start paying you in some bogus currency >>>> which they''ve been printing 24/7 for 3 months (= little real value). >>>> >>> >>> @Gintautas ....Ah ok. Thanks for telling me that. You may also need to >>> find ways to improve your sense of humor. >>> >>> BR >>> Panayotis >>> P.S. I am working for a Greek company that has 200% sales growth every >>> year the last 3 years. We are 80 people, only, and we now have 130M Euro in >>> sales by end of August, only for 2012. Hope we reach 200M Euro by end of >>> year. Believe me, that we have good ways to circumvent any bankruptcy. >>> Also, believe me, that rumors is something that we do not base our business >>> on. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2012/9/14 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayotis-2qElkpaxrV4pvVtuE3Kueg@public.gmane.org> >>>> >>>>> Peter ... you are absolutely right. >>>>> >>>>> BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and >>>>> beautiful sea and beaches. >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. >>>>> Greek companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java >>>>> technologies and .NET >>>>> >>>>> Panayotis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Peter Hickman < >>>>> peterhickman386-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >>>>>> >>>>>> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) >>>>>> No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of >>>>>> living and cannot judge the value of the package) >>>>>> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" >>>>>> groupon clone) >>>>>> >>>>>> Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will >>>>>> apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it >>>>>> because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a >>>>>> post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Ruby 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Really? From all the countries in the world you wouldn''t relocate to Greece to begin with? On Friday, 14 September 2012 13:22:13 UTC+3, Peter Hickman wrote:> > And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! > > No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) > No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of > living and cannot judge the value of the package) > No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" > groupon clone) > > Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will > apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it > because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a > post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/KSYq4k87YdEJ. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Panayotis Matsinopoulos, I think we agree on the issue of getting enough basic info from the initial ad text. I felt my thoughts about Greece was correct in general, but loosely (and harshly) phrased. So I take the "bankrupt" word back; though that''s how I''d feel about this particular country of work (again risking to have my numbers off, but 100+ billion in financial help for 10 mln people are a lot in my book, as compared to my country of 3 mln country in which such numbers don''t even come up) even when talking about the whole budget. 2012/9/17 Agis A. <corestudiosinc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> Really? From all the countries in the world you wouldn''t relocate to > Greece to begin with? > > > On Friday, 14 September 2012 13:22:13 UTC+3, Peter Hickman wrote: >> >> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >> >> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) >> No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of >> living and cannot judge the value of the package) >> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" >> groupon clone) >> >> Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will >> apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it >> because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a >> post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/KSYq4k87YdEJ. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.