Dear Group, I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I just wanted to ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and professional with good knowledge in rails. I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD and craftsmanship enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for the past 6 months I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I spent a fair amount of time on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the application completely myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of OO and separation of concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, etc. I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and making some changes to that application too for the same reasons. I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails development too (including watching some railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really effective and professional in rails development with great knowledge in that area? I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for your guidance. Best Regards -- Sam Serpoosh Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com Twitter @masihjesus <http://twitter.com/masihjesus> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en-US.
Hi Sam, I am also in almost similar situation. I am about to finish Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl. I have plans to read "Well Grounded Rubyist" for Ruby and "The Rails Way" for Rails. Also have plans to watch railscasts. Apart from that I have joined free course "Software Engineering for Software as a Service" by coursera.org. This course teaches the engineering fundamentals for long-lived software using the highly-productive Agile development method for Software as a Service (SaaS) using Ruby on Rails. I request group members to suggest us how to proceed further and become a good rails developer. Thanks Mukesh Kumar On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Sam Serpoosh <ssjesus287-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Dear Group, > > I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I just > wanted to > ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and > professional with > good knowledge in rails. > > I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD > and craftsmanship > enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for > the past 6 months > I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I > spent a fair amount of time > on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the > application completely > myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of OO > and separation of > concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, etc. > > I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and > making some changes > to that application too for the same reasons. > > I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails > development too (including watching some > railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) > > I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really effective > and professional in rails development > with great knowledge in that area? > > I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for > your guidance. > Best Regards > > -- > Sam Serpoosh > Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com > Twitter @masihjesus > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en-US.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en-US.
Hi Guys, I''m also in the same situation. However I come from the business analysis side. No programming knowledge and I have been doing some Ruby on Rails programming during the last year. My suggestions are as follows: - Get a project of your own where you are really interested in. Something which you can put passion behind. For me this was building a task app to be able to manage my tasks online. I really wanted to do this for a long time, but I did not have the skills of programming! - Identify what your ultimate goal is and within what timeframe. For me I wanted my task app to be on the web (not on my machine)! I wanted it to be on Heroku. And it had to be done within two months from scratch. I also wanted to make little steps. Meaning I wanted to build each incremental step and not get lost on the project. - Do it. Make sure you focus on your project and only on this project. For me I had to learn more than is thaught in the tutorials. I had to lean new tricks. So this triggered me to really search for solutions to solve my problems to get to the next step. This really brought in focus. I could not try to read and learn another tutorial. I HAD TO WORK ON MY PROJECT. - What happened that I had to learn the basics of git. Without git you cannot get onto Heroku. I had to buy some books to learn about login in etc. I had to learn css to make my app look good. I had to learn how models get hooked to each other. I had to design my app (models etc). - Now here is the most important tip: YOU NEED TO BE THE OWNER OF THIS PROJECT. Sorry for the capitals. You better agree with some of your friends, that you need to deliver each week or each two weeks. You have to send in some final product. So no excuses. For me this meant that I sent myself an email with the latest version of my task app by email after each big step. I also agreed with a friend of mine that he needs to get something from me. This meant also that I had a finished product each week. A finished product is like: task app with all tasks and projects working. So again a focus. The next finished product was: get the colours ready. So I needed to work on learning stylesheets. So here are the tips. I''m not there yet. Now my next project is to fix some issues in production of my task app. But first I am back to ground zero. I have a mac laptop and my whole rails environment is messed up. I want to start again when I''m mobile but I cannot fix it. I want to get my whole rails environment cleaned up. I can''t find a good tutorial that fixes this. I''m not technical so I''m stuck here. Anyone can help? I run Lion on a mac and work with sql light in dev. Then I have another major new project: build another application from scratch. And learn how to use another gem of a friend of mine: inline_forms. He can do great stuff with it. That application will be a real thing. I might want to just sell it to others, so it is really production application for small clients. Let me know if this works for you. Let me know what your next project is and I can maybe advice. You seem pretty experienced already. So my advice focus on a project now. Op zondag 1 juli 2012 10:58:15 UTC-4 schreef @masihjesus het volgende:> > Dear Group, > > I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I > just wanted to > ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and > professional with > good knowledge in rails. > > I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD > and craftsmanship > enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for > the past 6 months > I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I > spent a fair amount of time > on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the > application completely > myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of > OO and separation of > concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, > etc. > > I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and > making some changes > to that application too for the same reasons. > > I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails > development too (including watching some > railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) > > I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really > effective and professional in rails development > with great knowledge in that area? > > I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for > your guidance. > Best Regards > > -- > Sam Serpoosh > Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com > Twitter @masihjesus <http://twitter.com/masihjesus> > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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http://astonj.com/tech/best-way-to-learn-ruby-rails/ Have fun! :) On Sunday, 1 July 2012 15:58:15 UTC+1, @masihjesus wrote:> > Dear Group, > > I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I > just wanted to > ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and > professional with > good knowledge in rails. > > I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD > and craftsmanship > enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for > the past 6 months > I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I > spent a fair amount of time > on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the > application completely > myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of > OO and separation of > concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, > etc. > > I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and > making some changes > to that application too for the same reasons. > > I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails > development too (including watching some > railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) > > I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really > effective and professional in rails development > with great knowledge in that area? > > I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for > your guidance. > Best Regards > > -- > Sam Serpoosh > Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com > Twitter @masihjesus <http://twitter.com/masihjesus> > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/aB_vr2F0v6UJ. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en-US.
Sam Serpoosh
2012-Jul-04 08:46 UTC
Re: Re: How to become effective and professional in Rails?
Thanks a lot guys, I really appreciate your responses. Tutorials can say good things about popular gems and some common practices in rails development, etc. And I think one of the things that we should do is trying to not to make the mistakes that already exist in rails projects. In most of the rails projects that I''ve seen there''s no good OO design and mixing responsibilities is a common thing. Fat models and slow unit-tests are bad ideas which can be easily found in rails projects. We should strive for better separation of concerns and SOLID design in our application. These things can make good differences in the apps we write. Best Regards -- Sam Serpoosh Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com Twitter @masihjesus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en-US.
Hi Sam, I also have same question in mind wat you have asked. I have decided to follow below: 1. Join community and solve other problems. 2. Join twitter follow other developer and rails experts 3. Finally I have decided to do some worth-fully project. And you have said that you have knowledge on TDD and BDD . Can you suggest me where I can start. Thanks, Senthil On Sunday, 1 July 2012 20:28:15 UTC+5:30, @masihjesus wrote:> > Dear Group, > > I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I > just wanted to > ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and > professional with > good knowledge in rails. > > I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD > and craftsmanship > enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for > the past 6 months > I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I > spent a fair amount of time > on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the > application completely > myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of > OO and separation of > concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, > etc. > > I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and > making some changes > to that application too for the same reasons. > > I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails > development too (including watching some > railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) > > I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really > effective and professional in rails development > with great knowledge in that area? > > I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for > your guidance. > Best Regards > > -- > Sam Serpoosh > Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com > Twitter @masihjesus <http://twitter.com/masihjesus> > >On Sunday, 1 July 2012 20:28:15 UTC+5:30, @masihjesus wrote:> > Dear Group, > > I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I > just wanted to > ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and > professional with > good knowledge in rails. > > I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD > and craftsmanship > enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for > the past 6 months > I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I > spent a fair amount of time > on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the > application completely > myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of > OO and separation of > concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, > etc. > > I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and > making some changes > to that application too for the same reasons. > > I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails > development too (including watching some > railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) > > I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really > effective and professional in rails development > with great knowledge in that area? > > I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for > your guidance. > Best Regards > > -- > Sam Serpoosh > Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com > Twitter @masihjesus <http://twitter.com/masihjesus> > >On Sunday, 1 July 2012 20:28:15 UTC+5:30, @masihjesus wrote:> > Dear Group, > > I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I > just wanted to > ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and > professional with > good knowledge in rails. > > I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD > and craftsmanship > enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for > the past 6 months > I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I > spent a fair amount of time > on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the > application completely > myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of > OO and separation of > concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, > etc. > > I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and > making some changes > to that application too for the same reasons. > > I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails > development too (including watching some > railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) > > I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really > effective and professional in rails development > with great knowledge in that area? > > I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for > your guidance. > Best Regards > > -- > Sam Serpoosh > Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com > Twitter @masihjesus <http://twitter.com/masihjesus> > >On Sunday, 1 July 2012 20:28:15 UTC+5:30, @masihjesus wrote:> > Dear Group, > > I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I > just wanted to > ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and > professional with > good knowledge in rails. > > I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD > and craftsmanship > enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for > the past 6 months > I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I > spent a fair amount of time > on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the > application completely > myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of > OO and separation of > concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, > etc. > > I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and > making some changes > to that application too for the same reasons. > > I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails > development too (including watching some > railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) > > I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really > effective and professional in rails development > with great knowledge in that area? > > I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for > your guidance. > Best Regards > > -- > Sam Serpoosh > Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com > Twitter @masihjesus <http://twitter.com/masihjesus> > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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Sam Serpoosh
2012-Jul-04 15:09 UTC
Re: Re: How to become effective and professional in Rails?
Hi thil, That worth-fully project is a great idea and I''m really trying to find something to do and I''ll also be happy to participate on a project too! if you wanna start on TDD and BDD in general and you meant language&framework-agnostic, for TDD I suggest you to read this great excerpt of James Shore Art of Agile book on TDD which can be found here -> http://jamesshore.com/Agile-Book/test_driven_development.html for the idea and the concept and also you can read about enormous benefits of TDD from this post by Uncle Bob -> http://butunclebob.com/ArticleS.UncleBob.TheThreeRulesOfTdd and these are good starting points about the idea of TDD and its benefits and also you can read this wonderful book by Kent Beck called TDD by Example (I recommend you try to write those codes in that book yourself and not just reading them and move between the test and production code in short cycles etc.) for TDD in rails in the Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl he develops the whole application using TDD approach with RSpec. For BDD you can search and find tons of articles by Dan North, Liz Keogh, Matt Wynne on this idea in general. also the Rails in Action book by Ryan Bigg & Yehuda Katz use this approach for developing the application in it using cucumber and RSpec. and you also can find great ideas in "The RSpec Book" about BDD in general and also specific to rails. and for a good introduction and checking the surface of this whole thing you can watch this nice screencast by Ryan Bates about beginning with cucumber in rails -> http://railscasts.com/episodes/155-beginning-with-cucumber Hope that helps. Good Luck Best Regards -- Sam Serpoosh Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com Twitter @masihjesus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en-US.
How about we beginners start a real life project together. We can share our thoughts and gain some experience. I''ve an project idea. If anybody interested please mail me adnan.ayon[at]gmail.com On Sunday, July 1, 2012 8:58:15 PM UTC+6, @masihjesus wrote:> > Dear Group, > > I know that this kind of question may sound not very good to you. But I > just wanted to > ask you that what is the best way to become perfectly effective and > professional with > good knowledge in rails. > > I''m a software developer with almost 2.5-3 years of experience. a TDD, BDD > and craftsmanship > enthusiast. For the past year I''ve been hacking some stuff in Ruby and for > the past 6 months > I''ve been reading about rails and practicing on it. Not full time but I > spent a fair amount of time > on this. I''ve read Ruby on Rails Tutorial by Michael Hartl and wrote the > application completely > myself too. I also made some changes to it according to best practices of > OO and separation of > concerns, etc. for faster tests, more flexibility and maintainability, > etc. > > I''m currently reading Rails 3 in Action by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz and > making some changes > to that application too for the same reasons. > > I''ve been doing some other kinds of practice and readings on rails > development too (including watching some > railscasts by Ryan Bates etc.) > > I just wanted to ask you guys what should I do for becoming really > effective and professional in rails development > with great knowledge in that area? > > I really appreciate your helps and advice on this. Thanks in advance for > your guidance. > Best Regards > > -- > Sam Serpoosh > Software Developer: http://masihjesus.wordpress.com > Twitter @masihjesus <http://twitter.com/masihjesus> > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rubyonrails-talk/-/tp2ntdSR4jMJ. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en-US.