Hey guys. I''d like to spend some time working on open source for ruby on rails community. Before I start, I just wanted to know if there are any special open source tools and products, you are missing? I know, I can participate in existing projects (and I will), but I''d also be glad to hear ideas about new open source projects. Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:54 AM, golubevpavel <golubev.pavel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>wrote:> Hey guys. > > I''d like to spend some time working on open source for ruby on rails > community. > > Before I start, I just wanted to know if there are any special open > source tools and products, you are missing? >Maybe it is just me but I would think such ideas come from actually developing in Rails.... so if you are developing, what is it you are missing, what could be better? And if you are not, maybe that is the first step. just my 2 cents or maybe I misunderstand the question.> I know, I can participate in existing projects (and I will), but I''d > also be glad to hear ideas about new open source projects. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Thanks for your reply, David. Agree, I''ve got several ideas myself. But most of them are kinda specific. Well, one of ideas is to implement identity map for ActiveRecord. I need it, but I am not sure, if community does. That''s why I''m asking. On Oct 11, 6:11 pm, David Kahn <d...-rfEMNHKVqOwNic7Bib+Ti1W1rNmOCjRP@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:54 AM, golubevpavel <golubev.pa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>wrote: > > > Hey guys. > > > I''d like to spend some time working on open source for ruby on rails > > community. > > > Before I start, I just wanted to know if there are any special open > > source tools and products, you are missing? > > Maybe it is just me but I would think such ideas come from actually > developing in Rails.... so if you are developing, what is it you are > missing, what could be better? And if you are not, maybe that is the first > step. just my 2 cents or maybe I misunderstand the question. > > > > > I know, I can participate in existing projects (and I will), but I''d > > also be glad to hear ideas about new open source projects. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscrib e@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
golubevpavel wrote:> Thanks for your reply, David. > > Agree, I''ve got several ideas myself. > But most of them are kinda specific. > Well, one of ideas is to implement identity map for ActiveRecord. > I need it, but I am not sure, if community does. That''s why I''m > asking.You''re a member of the community. If you need it, write it, release it, and see what happens! Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:> golubevpavel wrote: >> Thanks for your reply, David. >> >> Agree, I''ve got several ideas myself. >> But most of them are kinda specific. >> Well, one of ideas is to implement identity map for ActiveRecord. >> I need it, but I am not sure, if community does. That''s why I''m >> asking. > > You''re a member of the community. If you need it, write it, release it, > and see what happens! >...however, if by "identity map" you mean caching queries so that you don''t retrieve the same DB query twice in the course of one HTTP request, ActiveRecord already does this.> Best, > -- > Marnen Laibow-Koser > http://www.marnen.org > marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Since marmen is a veteran he my be able to correct me if im wrong but, i think right now there is no gem to interact with sass mixins from within rails controllers (simple I/O operations), that would be nice, to have kind of an observer that can change a sass file and concequently its generated css according to some variable, this could be achieved by adding classes to and html element but my css would requiere to have every possible class. This would allow me to do things like darken the color pallete of my site according to the hour of the day, if i go the way of adding multiple classes and adding removing them i would need several class for the effect. It would allow the sass file to be even smaller i think. It would awesome if it could make a fork per user and delete it when the session ends. NOTE : the same effect can be done with JS but again i would need to have all the classes in my sass file or it would not be persistent. This is all a crazy idea but it my be handy. But right now what i want to see is a text paging gem, that can split a block of text and save it on different pages on the DB, it would be a polymorphic table blahblah with an atc_as_text_pager ,the usual stuff, with the option of spliting by number of letters , words or an html container tag, like div or p. Then i could put this to work with will_paginate. It would be veeery handy. @Marnen If you can point me into a deep guide for extending ActiveRecord with gems i would appreciate it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Radhames Brito wrote:> Since marmen is a veteran he my be able to correct me if im wrong but, > i > think right now there is no gem to interact with sass mixins from within > rails controllers (simple I/O operations),Why should there be? The controllers shouldn''t care one bit about CSS. What are you envisioning here?> that would be nice, to have > kind > of an observer that can change a sass file and concequently its > generated > css according to some variable,That might be nice. I''d love to be able to do dynamic Sass per user more easily, to allow for custom styling. this could be achieved by adding classes> to > and html element but my css would requiere to have every possible class. > This would allow me to do things like darken the color pallete of my > site > according to the hour of the day, if i go the way of adding multiple > classes > and adding removing them i would need several class for the effect.No. Just have multiple CSS or Sass files (each one defining the same classes), then do = stylesheet_tag "hour_#{@hour}". Or run a Rake task every hour to regenerate the CSS files from Sass with the variable.> It > would > allow the sass file to be even smaller i think. It would awesome if it > could > make a fork per user and delete it when the session ends....whenever that is. Session ending is not always easy to determine, which is why we need brute-force expiration logic. [...]> But right now what i want to see is a text paging gem, that can split a > block of text and save it on different pages on the DB, it would be a > polymorphic table blahblah with an atc_as_text_pager ,the usual stuff, > with > the option of spliting by number of letters , words or an html container > tag, like div or p. Then i could put this to work with will_paginate. It > would be veeery handy.And veeeeery wrong. The database should store the whole block of text. The view and controller should decide how to split it. This makes the presentation more flexible: what if you want short pages on the mobile phone, long pages on the computer, and whole articles in the RSS feed?> > @Marnen > > If you can point me into a deep guide for extending ActiveRecord with > gems i > would appreciate it.Why do you think I know how to do this? :) I''m just starting to write my first AR plugin. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
> That might be nice. I''d love to be able to do dynamic Sass per user > more easily, to allow for custom styling. > >> No. Just have multiple CSS or Sass files (each one defining the same > classes), then do > = stylesheet_tag "hour_#{@hour}". > > Or run a Rake task every hour to regenerate the CSS files from Sass with > the variable. > > This is what the gem is for, to avoid all the above.> ...whenever that is. Session ending is not always easy to determine, > which is why we need brute-force expiration logic. >that is to have a sass per client during session so they can style the thier profile page an such. And only if they want to save it.> And veeeeery wrong. The database should store the whole block of text. > The view and controller should decide how to split it. This makes the > presentation more flexible: what if you want short pages on the mobile > phone, long pages on the computer, and whole articles in the RSS feed? >I dont care about how to create the solution i just want the result , that i could have my view of one specific size and paginate the text, i dont care how is done i just want a gem to do it, right now i am using ajax for this.> Why do you think I know how to do this? :) I''m just starting to write > my first AR plugin. > > Because you are very active in the forum and have been programing rubylonger than me =). Where are you getting the info for your plugin? how are you figuring out how to do it? right now i jsut look at other polugins but reverse engineering is not fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Radhames Brito wrote: [...]>> And veeeeery wrong. The database should store the whole block of text. >> The view and controller should decide how to split it. This makes the >> presentation more flexible: what if you want short pages on the mobile >> phone, long pages on the computer, and whole articles in the RSS feed? >> > > I dont care about how to create the solution i just want the result , > that i > could have my view > of one specific size and paginate the text, i dont care how is done i > just > want a gem to do it, > right now i am using ajax for this.I don''t see why you need Ajax here. What I think you want -- and I''ve never done this, so I could be wrong -- is something like this: class Article def paginate(format = :web) case format when :web content.in_big_chunks when :mobile content.in_smaller_chunks when :rss content end end end class ArticlesController def show @paginated_content = Article.find(params[:id]).paginate(:web) # then use will_paginate or something to display all the pages end end That''s if you really want to do this at all. In most cases, I believe that splitting an article into multiple pages on the Web is poor UI design. If it''s one article, I''d much rather read it on one long page than 10 short ones.> > > >> Why do you think I know how to do this? :) I''m just starting to write >> my first AR plugin. >> >> Because you are very active in the forum and have been programing ruby > longer than me =). > Where are you getting the info for your plugin? how are you figuring out > how > to do it? right now > i jsut look at other polugins but reverse engineering is not fun.Same way I learn anything else in Rails: read the rdoc and search the Web for whatever information I can find. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
This is not about query caching, but about having only one instance of
the object within a session.
Say, Post.find(1) and User.find(1).posts.detect{|it| it.id == 1} would
return you different objects.
Ideal identity map would fix that problem.
On Oct 11, 7:03 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser
<li...-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org>
wrote:> Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:
> > golubevpavel wrote:
> >> Thanks for your reply, David.
>
> >> Agree, I''ve got several ideas myself.
> >> But most of them are kinda specific.
> >> Well, one of ideas is to implement identity map for ActiveRecord.
> >> I need it, but I am not sure, if community does. That''s
why I''m
> >> asking.
>
> > You''re a member of the community. If you need it, write it,
release it,
> > and see what happens!
>
> ...however, if by "identity map" you mean caching queries so that
you
> don''t retrieve the same DB query twice in the course of one HTTP
> request, ActiveRecord already does this.
>
> > Best,
> > --
> > Marnen Laibow-Koser
> >http://www.marnen.org
> > mar...-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
>
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On Oct 11, 1:36 pm, golubevpavel <golubev.pa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> This is not about query caching, but about having only one instance of > the object within a session. > Say, Post.find(1) and User.find(1).posts.detect{|it| it.id == 1} would > return you different objects....at the cost of a huge amount of overhead: every object ever touched in the session would have to be cached, if I understand you correctly.> Ideal identity map would fix that problem.Or maybe just punt to something like MagLev. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> ... Session ending is not always easy to determine, > which is why we need brute-force expiration logic.Which, being the single biggest current Rails deficiency (IMO), would be an awesome project for someone to take on. :-) (Yes, it''s on my own to-do list, but that list is far too long already...) -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org twitter: @hassan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Oct 11, 4:50 pm, Hassan Schroeder <hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser > > <li...-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > ... Session ending is not always easy to determine, > > which is why we need brute-force expiration logic. > > Which, being the single biggest current Rails deficiency (IMO), would > be an awesome project for someone to take on. :-)It''s not so much a Rails deficiency as a conceptual mismatch between HTTP and session-oriented logic. Since HTTP is stateless, the concept of a session is really something grafted on top of it and not too compatible with it.> (Yes, it''s on my own to-do list, but that list is far too long already...) > > -- > Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > twitter: @hassanBest, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:> It''s not so much a Rails deficiency as a conceptual mismatch between > HTTP and session-oriented logic.Perhaps. But Java servlet containers do just fine at managing the concept of session timeout, which is what I''d like to see in Rails. -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org twitter: @hassan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.