Rails - May 2010 - Question on Rails 3 : forms && ORM && ActiveModel

I''m a Django/Catalyst user that''s evaluating Rails ... I need
a Ruby
framework, and I''m trying to see if learning Rails is worth it or I
should just go for Sinatra + various libs available.

Django has a couple of things I like ...

1) the Forms API

In Django I like that it''s being decoupled from models ... form
objects have fields with validation rules that also can contain html
rendering logic ... you can use them just to validate a request and
that validation can contain business rules that don''t make sense to
have in the actual models. But the forms API can also infer those
validation rules straight from models, so you have DRY.

Looking at Rails tutorials I can''t find this decoupling. Validation
rules are placed straight into models ... like
"validates_confirmation_of :password".

So I was wondering about Rails3 ... seeing there''s a new ActiveModel
abstraction of the ActiveRecord interface, can I use that to have the
desired effect?

Also, where can I find some good and up to date tutorials on Rails3 ?

2) ORM lazyness

I like that Django''s ORM and in DBIx::Class, the resultsets
constructed are lazy. I see that in Rails 3 there''s a new Query
API ... http://m.onkey.org/2010/1/22/active-record-query-interface

Is that ready for use, is it development?
Or should I just use something like Sequel ... can that be plugged-in
to Rails?

Thanks,

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On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Alexandru Nedelcu
<me-Klb3fKZVhAfYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> I''m a Django/Catalyst user that''s evaluating Rails ... I
need a Ruby
> framework, and I''m trying to see if learning Rails is worth it or
I
> should just go for Sinatra + various libs available.
>
> Django has a couple of things I like ...
>
> 1) the Forms API
>
> In Django I like that it''s being decoupled from models ... form
> objects have fields with validation rules that also can contain html
> rendering logic ... you can use them just to validate a request and
> that validation can contain business rules that don''t make sense
to
> have in the actual models. But the forms API can also infer those
> validation rules straight from models, so you have DRY.
>
> Looking at Rails tutorials I can''t find this decoupling.
Validation
> rules are placed straight into models ... like
> "validates_confirmation_of :password".
I don''t know anything about Django, and I don''t really
understand what
you are trying to do. Business logic is meant to be "straight into
models".
> So I was wondering about Rails3 ... seeing there''s a new
ActiveModel
> abstraction of the ActiveRecord interface, can I use that to have the
> desired effect?
No. With this abstraction, validations are available for non
ActiveRecord models, but the validations still have to be in the
model.
> Also, where can I find some good and up to date tutorials on Rails3 ?
http://edgeguides.rubyonrails.org Not sure the guides are all up to date though.
> 2) ORM lazyness
>
> I like that Django''s ORM and in DBIx::Class, the resultsets
> constructed are lazy. I see that in Rails 3 there''s a new Query
> API ... http://m.onkey.org/2010/1/22/active-record-query-interface
>
> Is that ready for use, is it development?
> Or should I just use something like Sequel ... can that be plugged-in
> to Rails?
There is no stable release of Rails 3 yet, as we are still at beta 3.
But this new API is very much ready for use.

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