Rails - May 2010 - Controlling or disabling cols, size etc. for text fields and text areas?

Hi, I''m new to rails and have hit a minor snag that google
isn''t helping with. Basically, I can''t get text fields or text
areas to not include size and cols attributes in the tags generated when using a
form_for .... f.text_field ... etc within my view. This results in my applied
styles being over ridden by the attribute values and, that kinda sucks. Of
course I can set the attributes, but that seems ridiculous.  How can I prevent
these attributes from being generated so that the css can do it''s
rightful job? Thanks.

Bill

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On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM, William K. Hatch Jr.
<stompinwilly-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Basically, I can''t get text fields or text areas to not include
size and cols attributes in the tags generated when using a form_for ....
f.text_field ... etc within my view. This results in my applied styles being
over ridden by the attribute values and, that kinda sucks. Of course I can set
the attributes, but that seems ridiculous.  How can I prevent these attributes
from being generated so that the css can do it''s rightful job?
You can''t, and shouldn''t -- they''re required; see
<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-TEXTAREA>

That said, I''ve never had a problem applying CSS to tweak a textarea
with those attributes, so perhaps you have a different issue?

HTH,
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On May 25, 2010, at 9:23 AM, hassan.schroeder wrote:
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM, William K. Hatch Jr.
> <stompinwilly-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Basically, I can''t get text fields or text areas to not
include size and cols attributes in the tags generated when using a form_for
.... f.text_field ... etc within my view. This results in my applied styles
being over ridden by the attribute values and, that kinda sucks. Of course I can
set the attributes, but that seems ridiculous.  How can I prevent these
attributes from being generated so that the css can do it''s rightful
job?
> 
> You can''t, and shouldn''t -- they''re required;
see
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-TEXTAREA>
yes, although leaving them off doesn''t appear to cause problems. I
think making them required is at odds with separating presentation over
structure, however. 
> 
> That said, I''ve never had a problem applying CSS to tweak a
textarea
> with those attributes, so perhaps you have a different issue?
And you would again be correct...;-( After posting, I experimented some more and
discovered the error; I had wrongly concluded that the attributes were over
riding the styles. Thanks.
Thanks. 
> 
> HTH,
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hassan.schroeder wrote:
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM, William K. Hatch Jr.
> <stompinwilly-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Basically, I can''t get text fields or text areas to not
include size and cols attributes in the tags generated when using a form_for
.... f.text_field ... etc within my view. This results in my applied styles
being over ridden by the attribute values and, that kinda sucks. Of course I can
set the attributes, but that seems ridiculous. �How can I prevent these
attributes from being generated so that the css can do it''s rightful
job?
> 
> You can''t, and shouldn''t -- they''re required;
see
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-TEXTAREA>
They are required in HTML 4.01. They, however, appear to be optional in 
HTML5. Still should be there for now, but hopefully some future version 
of Rails will drop them as a requirement. Waiting for Microsoft to 
create a decent browser yet again.
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