*Sorry by this off topic message, but this is too important* Fascism is coming fastly to Internet because is the only communication way that governements (managed by the bank and multinationals) cann''t control http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/21/acta-internet-enforc.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I call Internet Hitler! Who wants to be my Goebbels? Also, we need someone to build the concentration camps for Furries. Jarin On Feb 23, 6:10 am, Joan Miller <pelok...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> *Sorry by this off topic message, but this is too important* > > Fascism is coming fastly to Internet because is the only communication > way that governements (managed by the bank and multinationals) cann''t > control > > http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/21/acta-internet-enforc.html-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
To be honest, the language sounds quite ambiguous... Things like "knowing" may not be as easy to define as you think... your example of Xerox ''knowing'' that their machines are being used for copyright infringement doesn''t cut it. To know is, in some manner, to be witness, if you have not seen it happen you can''t know. You can "believe" that copyright infringement happens at Kinkos, but you don''t necessarily "know". I haven''t read the whole things, but it sound like political speak so far: "intentionally ambiguous" to leave a lot of wiggle room... On Feb 23, 9:10 am, Joan Miller <pelok...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> *Sorry by this off topic message, but this is too important* > > Fascism is coming fastly to Internet because is the only communication > way that governements (managed by the bank and multinationals) cann''t > control > > http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/21/acta-internet-enforc.html-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I''m in! :D On Feb 23, 3:35 pm, Jarin Udom <ja...-vTN78maM9PiELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I call Internet Hitler! Who wants to be my Goebbels? > > Also, we need someone to build the concentration camps for Furries. > > Jarin > > On Feb 23, 6:10 am, Joan Miller <pelok...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > *Sorry by this off topic message, but this is too important* > > > Fascism is coming fastly to Internet because is the only communication > > way that governements (managed by the bank and multinationals) cann''t > > control > > >http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/21/acta-internet-enforc.html-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Feb 23, 4:44 pm, Victor S <victor.s...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> To be honest, the language sounds quite ambiguous... > > Things like "knowing" may not be as easy to define as you think... > your example of Xerox ''knowing'' that their machines are being used for > copyright infringement doesn''t cut it. To know is, in some manner, to > be witness, if you have not seen it happen you can''t know. You can > "believe" that copyright infringement happens at Kinkos, but you don''t > necessarily "know". > > I haven''t read the whole things, but it sound like political speak so > far: "intentionally ambiguous" to leave a lot of wiggle room...Exactly - the "fascism" rhetoric is a little overblown, but there''s still a concern. Especially since, unlike the Xerox example, it''s *technically* possible for an ISP to "know" quite a bit more about what users are doing. For example, would the treaty mandate deep- packet inspection to catch filesharers? Maybe backdoors in encrypted communications channels? Nobody knows, but the fact that even the *text* of the treaty has (apart from leaks) been secret doesn''t help people feel comfortable about it... --Matt Jones -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.