Hi everybody, I don''t know whether this is a relevant question or not but i wanted to know how ROR will be in future. Most of the MNC companies in INDIA are working on technologies like JAVA, .NET. They are using tools for testing. Why aren''t they using ROR much? Is it a right decision to buildup a career in ROR? But, I was really attracted by the ease of Code, the functionality, Handling complex issues easily in ROR. Even ROR has testing mechanisms like Rspec,cucumber,watir.... The people of India who are working of ROR might be knowing this better .... i guess. Please suggest on this. Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Steven Elliott Jr
2010-Jan-22 06:56 UTC
Re: How will be the Future of Rails......? Please do reply
I doubt many companies will off-shore rails development to India. Rails is mostly used by small teams of developers in an agile environment. I currently work in a rails shop and there are four of us building all the systems. We pair everyday and switch it up every other day so everyone works with each other. I feel like most off shore developers receive a spec and start hammering out code mostly in one of the two traditional "enterprisey" platforms (java or net). Rails may never blow up to be as big as java or net but that''s fine with me. I''d rather specialize in a niche than be a master of frameworks that have a gazillion other masters. Check out Chad Fowlers book sometime "the passionate programmer" it will change your life Anyway just my .02 I could be wrong Best, Steven Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:06 AM, Rails ROR <developrails-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi everybody, > > > I don''t know whether this is a relevant question or not but i wanted > to know how ROR will be in future. > > Most of the MNC companies in INDIA are working on technologies like > JAVA, .NET. > > They are using tools for testing. > > Why aren''t they using ROR much? > > Is it a right decision to buildup a career in ROR? > > But, I was really attracted by the ease of Code, the functionality, > Handling complex issues easily in ROR. > > Even ROR has testing mechanisms like Rspec,cucumber,watir.... > > The people of India who are working of ROR might be knowing this > better .... i guess. > > Please suggest on this. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails- > talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en > .-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I don''t think you should have one technology under your belt.. Learn many. And to answer some of your questions. Ruby & Rails have testing tools, test:unit, rpsec, cucumber, webrat, shoulda, to name but a few. Why isn''t it big in industry? It doesn''t really have much commercial support for starters. Sun wrote Java, and spent a lot of $$$ pushing it to the developers. .Net has Windows who did the same thing. Also, each language does what it does great.. Java has a massive amount of libraries and some great minds behind it to build heavy weight industry tools. .Net seamlessly integrate''s with Windows. Ruby shares it''s space with many other languages. No one language will solve all of the worlds problems.. Is it the right decision to buildup a career in ROR? Well as I said earlier, I think pigeon holing yourself to one language will seriously restrict your movement in the job market. Learn many, be enthusiastic and learn new languages, follow your enthusiasm. The moment I stopped treating "learning a new language" as a task, but instead starting treating it as a bit of fun, I had a more enjoyable time, both at work and in my off time. I''m sure a lot of others on this list will be more insightful then me. But do whatever makes you happy, and your career will be great, is my advice. Good luck. Mark On Jan 22, 4:06 pm, Rails ROR <developra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi everybody, > > I don''t know whether this is a relevant question or not but i wanted to know > how ROR will be in future. > > Most of the MNC companies in INDIA are working on technologies like JAVA, > .NET. > > They are using tools for testing. > > Why aren''t they using ROR much? > > Is it a right decision to buildup a career in ROR? > > But, I was really attracted by the ease of Code, the functionality, Handling > complex issues easily in ROR. > > Even ROR has testing mechanisms like Rspec,cucumber,watir.... > > The people of India who are working of ROR might be knowing this better .... > i guess. > > Please suggest on this. > > Thanks in advance.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I use RoR because it excels at fast, quality development if one is willing to learn and use its conventions. It is not perfect, but for 99% of business applications, it is more than adequate. My clients have complex business problems that require well-documented, methodical solutions - they don''t need gee-whiz buzzwordy anything. I''m also not married to RoR - we''ve done projects in MS SQL Server, Excel VBA (shudder) and ACLScript. We have a major web-based product done in Java and C#. RoR is still in the ''introductory'' stage in my company - I''m driving it because after running a few projects on other platforms, RoR is best suited to what I do. Learn to solve problems and organize and present solutions. Sharpen your English skills - for the US at least, it is difficult to get clients to trust someone to work on their team if there is a concern that the individual does not understand the language well. Your post was well written and understandable, but there were some quirks to it suggesting a non-native writer. For some, that can be an issue - more than it should be, in some cases. If your English skills are sufficient and your comprehension of the problem is such that you can prepare and present quality workproduct *and documentation*, you will be in high demand - and rightfully so. You will also be head-and- shoulders above most people I have worked with in the US. In short, don''t tie your future to a single technology - technology changes. COBOL developers still work, but mostly on legacy systems. By all means - learn it in depth, but don''t limit yourself, or think that tool-specific knowledge will always be as useful as it is right now. Best of luck. SR PS - I assume ou were talking about doing outsource work from the English-speaking parts of the globe. If not, then disregard the ''polish your English skills'' bit - that is nice for the future if you plan to work outside India, but if you can do quality work and documentation in Hindi or whatever your target audience speaks and reads, you should be fine. PPS - COBOL Devs reading this, I am not disrespecting you, and I am aware that there is still active development in COBOL going on, and even new products, but you have to admit, it is somewhat of a niche compared to Java, or even RoR. On Jan 22, 12:06 am, Rails ROR <developra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi everybody, > > I don''t know whether this is a relevant question or not but i wanted to know > how ROR will be in future. > > Most of the MNC companies in INDIA are working on technologies like JAVA, > .NET. > > They are using tools for testing. > > Why aren''t they using ROR much? > > Is it a right decision to buildup a career in ROR? > > But, I was really attracted by the ease of Code, the functionality, Handling > complex issues easily in ROR. > > Even ROR has testing mechanisms like Rspec,cucumber,watir.... > > The people of India who are working of ROR might be knowing this better .... > i guess. > > Please suggest on this. > > Thanks in advance.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Satyajit Malugu
2010-Jan-22 17:19 UTC
Re: How will be the Future of Rails......? Please do reply
+1 for recommeding "The passionate programmer" On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Steven Elliott Jr <steven.elliottjr-BUHhN+a2lJ4@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I doubt many companies will off-shore rails development to India. Rails is > mostly used by small teams of developers in an agile environment. I > currently work in a rails shop and there are four of us building all the > systems. We pair everyday and switch it up every other day so everyone works > with each other. I feel like most off shore developers receive a spec and > start hammering out code mostly in one of the two traditional "enterprisey" > platforms (java or net). Rails may never blow up to be as big as java or > net but that''s fine with me. I''d rather specialize in a niche than be a > master of frameworks that have a gazillion other masters. Check out Chad > Fowlers book sometime "the passionate programmer" it will change your life > > Anyway just my .02 I could be wrong > > Best, > Steven > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:06 AM, Rails ROR <developrails-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Hi everybody, >> >> >> I don''t know whether this is a relevant question or not but i wanted to >> know how ROR will be in future. >> >> Most of the MNC companies in INDIA are working on technologies like JAVA, >> .NET. >> >> They are using tools for testing. >> >> Why aren''t they using ROR much? >> >> Is it a right decision to buildup a career in ROR? >> >> But, I was really attracted by the ease of Code, the functionality, >> Handling complex issues easily in ROR. >> >> Even ROR has testing mechanisms like Rspec,cucumber,watir.... >> >> The people of India who are working of ROR might be knowing this better >> .... i guess. >> >> Please suggest on this. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- Satyajit -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Rails ROR
2010-Jan-23 14:01 UTC
Re: Re: How will be the Future of Rails......? Please do reply
Hi, Thanks for the mail. I would really consider this point and would surely learn different technologies. Your mail was really inspiring. Thanks for showing me the way. Your mail really matters me at this point of time. Thanks Bye!! On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:08 AM, mark <aussiev8-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I don''t think you should have one technology under your belt.. > Learn many. > > And to answer some of your questions. > > Ruby & Rails have testing tools, test:unit, rpsec, cucumber, webrat, > shoulda, to name but a few. > > Why isn''t it big in industry? > It doesn''t really have much commercial support for starters. Sun wrote > Java, and spent a lot of $$$ pushing it to the developers. .Net has > Windows who did the same thing. > > Also, each language does what it does great.. Java has a massive > amount of libraries and some great minds behind it to build heavy > weight industry tools. .Net seamlessly integrate''s with Windows. Ruby > shares it''s space with many other languages. No one language will > solve all of the worlds problems.. > > Is it the right decision to buildup a career in ROR? > > Well as I said earlier, I think pigeon holing yourself to one language > will seriously restrict your movement in the job market. Learn many, > be enthusiastic and learn new languages, follow your enthusiasm. > > The moment I stopped treating "learning a new language" as a task, but > instead starting treating it as a bit of fun, I had a more enjoyable > time, both at work and in my off time. > > I''m sure a lot of others on this list will be more insightful then me. > But do whatever makes you happy, and your career will be great, is my > advice. > > Good luck. > Mark > > > > On Jan 22, 4:06 pm, Rails ROR <developra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > > > I don''t know whether this is a relevant question or not but i wanted to > know > > how ROR will be in future. > > > > Most of the MNC companies in INDIA are working on technologies like JAVA, > > .NET. > > > > They are using tools for testing. > > > > Why aren''t they using ROR much? > > > > Is it a right decision to buildup a career in ROR? > > > > But, I was really attracted by the ease of Code, the functionality, > Handling > > complex issues easily in ROR. > > > > Even ROR has testing mechanisms like Rspec,cucumber,watir.... > > > > The people of India who are working of ROR might be knowing this better > .... > > i guess. > > > > Please suggest on this. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.