Rails - Mar 2009 - knowing when to go to multiple mongrel instances or dedicated server

I have a rails app with a growing user base.  Right now it is on a
single mongrel instance on a shared server.  Is there a quantifiable
method I can use to measure when I need to add mongrel instances, or
move to a dedicated server?  Are there rules of thumb for how many
users or page hits an instance can support?  Or is it solely
subjective, based on when the app starts to "feel" slow?
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> I have a rails app with a growing user base.  Right now it is on a
> single mongrel instance on a shared server.  Is there a quantifiable
> method I can use to measure when I need to add mongrel instances, or
> move to a dedicated server?  Are there rules of thumb for how many
> users or page hits an instance can support?  Or is it solely
> subjective, based on when the app starts to "feel" slow?
A couple of years old, but it''s from the horses mouth...

http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/mongrel-users/2006-May/000200.html

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Thanks, good info.  That is more for a dedicated server, though.  If
I''m on a shared server, how can I measure/compare to determine whether
I need the expense of a dedicated server?

On Mar 10, 3:20 pm, Philip Hallstrom <phi...-LSG90OXdqQE@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> > I have a rails app with a growing user base.  Right now it is on a
> > single mongrel instance on a shared server.  Is there a quantifiable
> > method I can use to measure when I need to add mongrel instances, or
> > move to a dedicated server?  Are there rules of thumb for how many
> > users or page hits an instance can support?  Or is it solely
> > subjective, based on when the app starts to "feel" slow?
>
> A couple of years old, but it''s from the horses mouth...
>
> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/mongrel-users/2006-May/000200.html
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Ed wrote:
> I have a rails app with a growing user base.  Right now it is on a
> single mongrel instance on a shared server.  Is there a quantifiable
> method I can use to measure when I need to add mongrel instances, or
> move to a dedicated server?  Are there rules of thumb for how many
> users or page hits an instance can support?  Or is it solely
> subjective, based on when the app starts to "feel" slow?
Ed, why not to move to phusion passenger? It''s fast and intended for 
heavier load than mongrel (even in cluster)

tom

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I''ll take a look at that, thanks.  My hosting provider says that
passenger is slower than mongrel in a shared environment, because of
the delay when processes have to be restarted.

But ultimately I will have the same question: how can I measure when
traffic is too much for my shared host?

On Mar 10, 8:42 pm, Tom Z Meinlschmidt
<to...-ooGa/4BNRfSw0JuIXryQZA@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Ed wrote:
> > I have a rails app with a growing user base.  Right now it is on a
> > single mongrel instance on a shared server.  Is there a quantifiable
> > method I can use to measure when I need to add mongrel instances, or
> > move to a dedicated server?  Are there rules of thumb for how many
> > users or page hits an instance can support?  Or is it solely
> > subjective, based on when the app starts to "feel" slow?
>
> Ed, why not to move to phusion passenger? It''s fast and intended
for
> heavier load than mongrel (even in cluster)
>
> tom
>
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Ed,

If you''re hosting provider is suggesting that passenger is slower,
it''s in *their* environment. You might consider another provider then.

You might take a look at the survey results we just posted at
http://rails-hosting.com.

Cheers,
Robby

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Ed
<haywood.ed-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
> I''ll take a look at that, thanks.  My hosting provider says that
> passenger is slower than mongrel in a shared environment, because of
> the delay when processes have to be restarted.
>
> But ultimately I will have the same question: how can I measure when
> traffic is too much for my shared host?
>
> On Mar 10, 8:42 pm, Tom Z Meinlschmidt
<to...-ooGa/4BNRfSw0JuIXryQZA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Ed wrote:
>> > I have a rails app with a growing user base.  Right now it is on a
>> > single mongrel instance on a shared server.  Is there a
quantifiable
>> > method I can use to measure when I need to add mongrel instances,
or
>> > move to a dedicated server?  Are there rules of thumb for how many
>> > users or page hits an instance can support?  Or is it solely
>> > subjective, based on when the app starts to "feel" slow?
>>
>> Ed, why not to move to phusion passenger? It''s fast and
intended for
>> heavier load than mongrel (even in cluster)
>>
>> tom
>>
>> --
>>
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Filer/NetCache
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>>
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On Mar 11, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Ed wrote:
>
> I''ll take a look at that, thanks.  My hosting provider says that
> passenger is slower than mongrel in a shared environment, because of
> the delay when processes have to be restarted.
This is only relevant if you don''t get enough traffic to keep the  
passenger/rails instance alive.  What I''ve read says that once up and  
running passenger is faster than mongrel, but best to do your own  
research.

Start here: http://www.modrails.com/documentation.html (part way down)


> But ultimately I will have the same question: how can I measure when
> traffic is too much for my shared host?
That''s a question for them.  Find out what their limits are and then  
figure out when you''ll hit them.
>
>
> On Mar 10, 8:42 pm, Tom Z Meinlschmidt
<to...-ooGa/4BNRfSw0JuIXryQZA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Ed wrote:
>>> I have a rails app with a growing user base.  Right now it is on a
>>> single mongrel instance on a shared server.  Is there a
quantifiable
>>> method I can use to measure when I need to add mongrel instances,
or
>>> move to a dedicated server?  Are there rules of thumb for how many
>>> users or page hits an instance can support?  Or is it solely
>>> subjective, based on when the app starts to "feel" slow?
>>
>> Ed, why not to move to phusion passenger? It''s fast and
intended for
>> heavier load than mongrel (even in cluster)
>>
>> tom
>>
>> --
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>> = 
>> = 
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>> ===>> Tomas Meinlschmidt, MS {MCT, MCP+I, MCSE, AER}, NetApp
Filer/NetCache
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>> = 
>> = 
>> = 
>> = 
>> = 
>> = 
>> = 
>> = 
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2009/3/11 Ed <haywood.ed-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>
> I''ll take a look at that, thanks.  My hosting provider says that
> passenger is slower than mongrel in a shared environment, because of
> the delay when processes have to be restarted.
>
> But ultimately I will have the same question: how can I measure when
> traffic is too much for my shared host?
>
It seems to be a rather naive answer but can you not tell that the traffic
is too much by the fact that it slows down unacceptably?  Or am I
missunderstanding the question, are you trying to predict in advance at what
traffic level it will slow down too much?

>
> On Mar 10, 8:42 pm, Tom Z Meinlschmidt
<to...-ooGa/4BNRfSw0JuIXryQZA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Ed wrote:
> > > I have a rails app with a growing user base.  Right now it is on
a
> > > single mongrel instance on a shared server.  Is there a
quantifiable
> > > method I can use to measure when I need to add mongrel instances,
or
> > > move to a dedicated server?  Are there rules of thumb for how
many
> > > users or page hits an instance can support?  Or is it solely
> > > subjective, based on when the app starts to "feel"
slow?
> >
> > Ed, why not to move to phusion passenger? It''s fast and
intended for
> > heavier load than mongrel (even in cluster)
> >
> > tom
> >
> > --
> >
>
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> >
> > www.meinlschmidt.com www.maxwellrender.cz www.lightgems.cz
> >
>
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