wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2008-Dec-26 10:35 UTC
Advice on Mac versus PC ?
I am thinking of getting a new laptop. I noticed the cheapest mac was about $1000, whereas I can get a cheap HP for about $550. The cheaper machine is kind of appealing, but the idea of a linux type system for a mac appeals to me however. I''ve always liked working on unix/linux at various companies, but I''ve always owned IBM clone PC and have never owned a mac. I have a HP laptop that is not quite 3 years old. I''ve downloaded alot of stuff, and the machine seems to run alot slower than it used to. It takes along time to boot, and it''s gotten really bad, though I do have AVG. I get the impression that spyware on a mac would be less of a problem and that type of degradation might not happen as fast on a mac or that I could more easily figure out what the heck was running on the machine ? I also hear that there is less software for macs, I might like to use winscp, a graphical SVN or such that is not to hard to install. I''m not sure what else ofhand .. OpenOffice must work on a mac I might guess .. Right now my ITunes library is on an external USB drive, I assume if I started up ITunes on a mac it would import stuff from my IPod to itself as this happened when I first moved my lib to an external drive. I get the impression that Rails development on a mac might be somewhat better, but I''m curious what people have to say on that ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
solithsnake-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org
2008-Dec-26 11:14 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
if u dont worry about the additional 500 bucks, buy the mac. it''s so easy and intuitive to work on this OS - u''ll love it. try to buy an refurbished mac, you''ll get some extra bucks back ! search in the apple store for refurbished products and you safe about 20% ! dont care about itunes. if u have your lib on a external drive, you could import your music simply. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:> I have a HP laptop that is not quite 3 years old. I''ve downloaded > alot of stuff, and the machine seems to run alot slower than it used > to. It takes along time to boot, and it''s gotten really bad, though I > do have AVG.Backup, format and re-install windows. Every computer needs this now and again. I do that to my desktop about every 3 months, keeps it running like new, plus you''ll have the experience for when a hard-disk dies.> I get the impression that Rails development on a mac might be > somewhat better, but I''m curious what people have to say on that ?A Mac runs what is probably the most popular rails IDE/editor: Textmate. I''m not going to start editor wars again, but it really is a cracking editor (I use it occasionally but I''m on windows 90% of the time). It''s all down to personal preference really. HTH Matt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Using Rails on Mac is a rather good experience in my subjective opinion. Also, there''s no any problem with running some kind of linux distro on any modern mac laptop. Regarding most of the software there exist plenty of ports and analogs of corresponding PC versions. There also exist Microsoft Office for Mac and OpenOffice, NeoOffice and iWork are pretty good alternatives. Spyware and viruses are not a problem, in place of them Mac OS has Software Updates which rarely may cause some weird system crashes, so the rule No. 1 for me is to make System Update only after 3-4 weeks period after it was tested by other users :) So, I think If you''re experienced in *nix console programs, the switch to Rails dev on Mac will be a simple one while promising a better experience. Also you can run Win on Mac, but I''ll call that a perversion :) 2008/12/26 wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> > > I am thinking of getting a new laptop. I noticed the cheapest mac was > about $1000, whereas I can get a cheap HP for about $550. The cheaper > machine is kind of appealing, but the idea of a linux type system for > a mac appeals to me however. I''ve always liked working on unix/linux > at various companies, but I''ve always owned IBM clone PC and have > never owned a mac. > > I have a HP laptop that is not quite 3 years old. I''ve downloaded > alot of stuff, and the machine seems to run alot slower than it used > to. It takes along time to boot, and it''s gotten really bad, though I > do have AVG. I get the impression that spyware on a mac would be less > of a problem and that type of degradation might not happen as fast on > a mac or that I could more easily figure out what the heck was running > on the machine ? > > I also hear that there is less software for macs, I might like to use > winscp, a graphical SVN or such that is not to hard to install. I''m > not sure what else ofhand .. OpenOffice must work on a mac I might > guess .. > > Right now my ITunes library is on an external USB drive, I assume if > I started up ITunes on a mac it would import stuff from my IPod to > itself as this happened when I first moved my lib to an external > drive. > > I get the impression that Rails development on a mac might be > somewhat better, but I''m curious what people have to say on that ? > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 26 Dec 2008, at 10:35, wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:> > I also hear that there is less software for macs, I might like to use > winscp, a graphical SVN or such that is not to hard to install. I''m > not sure what else ofhand .. OpenOffice must work on a mac I might > guess .. >Well it''s certainly true in some areas such a games, and specific business areas. For rails development this isn''t usually the case as most of the tools are cross platform anyway (and often more at home on a *nix like plaform than on windows). OpenOffice works fine for me. Fred --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 26 Dec 2008, at 12:33, Matt Harrison wrote:>> I have a HP laptop that is not quite 3 years old. I''ve downloaded >> alot of stuff, and the machine seems to run alot slower than it used >> to. It takes along time to boot, and it''s gotten really bad, though I >> do have AVG. > > Backup, format and re-install windows. Every computer needs this now > and > again. I do that to my desktop about every 3 months, keeps it running > like new, plus you''ll have the experience for when a hard-disk dies.You gotta be kidding. Windows users do seem to think reformatting and reinstalling the operating system regularly is normal. Most people I know do it every year (like spring cleaning), but every three months... And even then, reality is most, if not all of us Mac users don''t ever reinstall their operating system, and the majority probably doesn''t even do it when there''s a major system update. Same goes for all our linux boxes btw. Not every computer needs it, simple. Best regards Peter De Berdt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Peter De Berdt wrote:> You gotta be kidding. Windows users do seem to think reformatting and > reinstalling the operating system regularly is normal. Most people I > know do it every year (like spring cleaning), but every three months... > And even then, reality is most, if not all of us Mac users don''t ever > reinstall their operating system, and the majority probably doesn''t even > do it when there''s a major system update. Same goes for all our linux > boxes btw. Not every computer needs it, simple.I consider it normal for windows, thats it. I''ve got 3 linux boxes and a solaris box sitting next to me right now. One of the linux boxes is running dual P2-350s and has been installed for nearly 8 years. It''s just my experience that unless you really spend your life learning windows internals, you will have to re-install, its a fact of life. Maybe i''m just a windows dunce, but it''s far easier for me to reinstall than mess about with anything else. I can format and re-install my windows machine with critical apps in under 2 hours, so much easier than fiddling for days. Matt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2008-Dec-27 04:20 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
Thanks for the advice, Can a mac read an external USB drive that came from a Windows XP machine ? The mac sounds interesting. I like the idea of being able to pop open a native shell to the system and do ''ps -ef'' and see what is running and be able to write a ruby script that does a fork() that works correctly etc. I use cygwin on windows, but it doesn''t feel the same .. I know you can install dual windows/linux using VM-Ware or some such, but it sounds complicated to me. I guess I don''t like the idea of reinstalling windows, but if I am going to stick with windows, I guess I need to consider that. I''d be affraid that one of my backup CD''s would go bad or that I would screw it up somehow. I''m wondering if I can backup windows to an external drive and reinstall it that way ? On Dec 26, 6:14 am, "solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org" <solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> if u dont worry about the additional 500 bucks, buy the mac. it''s so > easy and intuitive to work on this OS - u''ll love it. > try to buy an refurbished mac, you''ll get some extra bucks back ! > search in the apple store for refurbished products and you safe about > 20% ! > > dont care about itunes. if u have your lib on a external drive, you > could import your music simply.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I didn''t read through everything, but why not also think of buying a cheap laptop and then dropping a modern Linux distro on the thing? I run Ubuntu on my Thinkpad X40 and could not be happier with it ... well, if they had a SSD that worked with my laptop I''d be a little bit happier. Just a thought. On Dec 26, 10:20 pm, "wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Thanks for the advice, > > Can a mac read an external USB drive that came from a Windows XP > machine ? > > The mac sounds interesting. I like the idea of being able to pop open > a native shell to the system and do ''ps -ef'' and see what is running > and be able to write a ruby script that does a fork() that works > correctly etc. > I use cygwin on windows, but it doesn''t feel the same .. > > I know you can install dual windows/linux using VM-Ware or some such, > but it sounds complicated to me. I guess I don''t like the idea of > reinstalling windows, but if I am going to stick with windows, I guess > I need to consider that. I''d be affraid that one of my backup CD''s > would go bad or that I would screw it up somehow. I''m wondering if I > can backup windows to an external drive and reinstall it that way ? > > On Dec 26, 6:14 am, "solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org" > > <solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > if u dont worry about the additional 500 bucks, buy the mac. it''s so > > easy and intuitive to work on this OS - u''ll love it. > > try to buy an refurbished mac, you''ll get some extra bucks back ! > > search in the apple store for refurbished products and you safe about > > 20% ! > > > dont care about itunes. if u have your lib on a external drive, you > > could import your music simply.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:20 PM, wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>wrote:> > > Thanks for the advice, > > Can a mac read an external USB drive that came from a Windows XP > machine ? >Yes, it can read FAT32 formatted drives.> > The mac sounds interesting. I like the idea of being able to pop open > a native shell to the system and do ''ps -ef'' and see what is running > and be able to write a ruby script that does a fork() that works > correctly etc. > I use cygwin on windows, but it doesn''t feel the same .. > > I know you can install dual windows/linux using VM-Ware or some such, > but it sounds complicated to me. I guess I don''t like the idea of > reinstalling windows, but if I am going to stick with windows, I guess > I need to consider that. I''d be affraid that one of my backup CD''s > would go bad or that I would screw it up somehow. I''m wondering if I > can backup windows to an external drive and reinstall it that way ? >Yes, I''m using VMWare where I have xUbuntu, FreeBSD 6.3, and FreeBSD 7.0 virtual machines (VM) to mimic our deployment servers locally. I simply double-click the particular VM and it boots because there''s no installation process. Furthermore, you have the option to configuring the VM by downloading and installing additional software. Next, if you backup your Windows to an external drive, this isn''t the same as reinstalling the OS because you can be potentially be restoring from a compromised backup (i.e. saving virus infected OS). Lastly, I use my Macs for many types of development/work including Rails. Thus, you invest in something where you can get the most bang for your buck. Also, I wouldn''t make decisions to buy a system because it has more software. This is not very logical as the basis for buying anything. Good luck, -Conrad> > > > On Dec 26, 6:14 am, "solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org" > <solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > if u dont worry about the additional 500 bucks, buy the mac. it''s so > > easy and intuitive to work on this OS - u''ll love it. > > try to buy an refurbished mac, you''ll get some extra bucks back ! > > search in the apple store for refurbished products and you safe about > > 20% ! > > > > dont care about itunes. if u have your lib on a external drive, you > > could import your music simply. > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:> Thanks for the advice, > > Can a mac read an external USB drive that came from a Windows XP > machine ? > > The mac sounds interesting. I like the idea of being able to pop open > a native shell to the system and do ''ps -ef'' and see what is running > and be able to write a ruby script that does a fork() that works > correctly etc. > I use cygwin on windows, but it doesn''t feel the same .. > > I know you can install dual windows/linux using VM-Ware or some such, > but it sounds complicated to me. I guess I don''t like the idea of > reinstalling windows, but if I am going to stick with windows, I guess > I need to consider that. I''d be affraid that one of my backup CD''s > would go bad or that I would screw it up somehow. I''m wondering if I > can backup windows to an external drive and reinstall it that way ? > >I think you could get something like Acronis True Image and that can do a lot of stuff including backup your entire OS image and your data. If something goes off, you can probably restore the image within a couple of hours almost back to where you left it. http://www.techsupportalert.com/drive-imaging-reviews.htm Cheers, Mohit. 12/27/2008 | 2:22 PM. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2008-Dec-27 16:10 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
Does having VMWare as an additional layer create any inefficiencies or problems ? I think at one time I shyed away from this idea because I was affraid of blowing away the OS that my laptop came with.I had brought my laptop to a linux group a few years ago and they couldn''t get linux on my laptop without blowing away the OS and seemed reluctant to try it. At any rate, the perceived complexity of the task made me hesitate to seriously consider it at the time. I also seemed to have the impression that linux distros where safer with a desktop than a laptop and the only safe distro for laptops was SUSE.Others may have problems with your printer, the wireless card etc The backup of the OS to an external drive I am not familiar with, but I''ll have to research it. If I eventually buy a new laptop, I could possibly play around with my old laptop for experimentation purposes perhaps. Right now I have a HP Pavillion DV1000 with about 30 gig drive which I bought brand new in May 2006. The only other stuff I had heard of on Macs is that software companies often loose money in developing for macs and seemed to question if macs will be around for years to come. Also, mouse functionality on macs is allegedly less convenient, maybe there is no right click ? On Dec 27, 12:39 am, "Conrad Taylor" <conra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:20 PM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the advice, > > > Can a mac read an external USB drive that came from a Windows XP > > machine ? > > Yes, it can read FAT32 formatted drives. > > > > > The mac sounds interesting. I like the idea of being able to pop open > > a native shell to the system and do ''ps -ef'' and see what is running > > and be able to write a ruby script that does a fork() that works > > correctly etc. > > I use cygwin on windows, but it doesn''t feel the same .. > > > I know you can install dual windows/linux using VM-Ware or some such, > > but it sounds complicated to me. I guess I don''t like the idea of > > reinstalling windows, but if I am going to stick with windows, I guess > > I need to consider that. I''d be affraid that one of my backup CD''s > > would go bad or that I would screw it up somehow. I''m wondering if I > > can backup windows to an external drive and reinstall it that way ? > > Yes, I''m using VMWare where I have xUbuntu, FreeBSD 6.3, and FreeBSD > 7.0 virtual machines (VM) to mimic our deployment servers locally. I simply > double-click the particular VM and it boots because there''s no installation > process. > Furthermore, you have the option to configuring the VM by downloading and > installing additional software. > > Next, if you backup your Windows to an external drive, this isn''t the same > as > reinstalling the OS because you can be potentially be restoring from > a compromised > backup (i.e. saving virus infected OS). > > Lastly, I use my Macs for many types of development/work including Rails. > Thus, > you invest in something where you can get the most bang for your buck. > Also, I > wouldn''t make decisions to buy a system because it has more software. This > is > not very logical as the basis for buying anything. > > Good luck, > > -Conrad > > > > > On Dec 26, 6:14 am, "solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org" > > <solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > if u dont worry about the additional 500 bucks, buy the mac. it''s so > > > easy and intuitive to work on this OS - u''ll love it. > > > try to buy an refurbished mac, you''ll get some extra bucks back ! > > > search in the apple store for refurbished products and you safe about > > > 20% ! > > > > dont care about itunes. if u have your lib on a external drive, you > > > could import your music simply.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 27 Dec 2008, at 16:10, wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:> > > Does having VMWare as an additional layer create any inefficiencies or > problems ? I think at one time I shyed away from this idea because I > was affraid of blowing away the OS that my laptop came with.I had > brought my laptop to a linux group a few years ago and they couldn''t > get linux on my laptop without blowing away the OS and seemed > reluctant to try it. At any rate, the perceived complexity of the task > made me hesitate to seriously consider it at the time. > > I also seemed to have the impression that linux distros where safer > with a desktop than a laptop and the only safe distro for laptops was > SUSE.Others may have problems with your printer, the wireless card etc >Got several laptops with ubuntu in the office, no problems on that front.> The backup of the OS to an external drive I am not familiar with, but > I''ll have to research it. If I eventually buy a new laptop, I could > possibly play around with my old laptop for experimentation purposes > perhaps. Right now I have a HP Pavillion DV1000 with about 30 gig > drive which I bought brand new in May 2006. > > The only other stuff I had heard of on Macs is that software > companies often loose money in developing for macs and seemed to > question if macs will be around for years to come.They''ve been saying that for a long time and apple are still there. Besides, not really a factor if you''re writing web apps> Also, mouse > functionality on macs is allegedly less convenient, maybe there is no > right click ? >You can right click if you want (and with the current models, even the trackpad has an (optional) right click).> > > On Dec 27, 12:39 am, "Conrad Taylor" <conra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:20 PM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >> <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thanks for the advice, >> >>> Can a mac read an external USB drive that came from a Windows XP >>> machine ? >> >> Yes, it can read FAT32 formatted drives. >> >> >> >>> The mac sounds interesting. I like the idea of being able to pop >>> open >>> a native shell to the system and do ''ps -ef'' and see what is running >>> and be able to write a ruby script that does a fork() that works >>> correctly etc. >>> I use cygwin on windows, but it doesn''t feel the same .. >> >>> I know you can install dual windows/linux using VM-Ware or some >>> such, >>> but it sounds complicated to me. I guess I don''t like the idea of >>> reinstalling windows, but if I am going to stick with windows, I >>> guess >>> I need to consider that. I''d be affraid that one of my backup CD''s >>> would go bad or that I would screw it up somehow. I''m wondering if I >>> can backup windows to an external drive and reinstall it that way ? >> >> Yes, I''m using VMWare where I have xUbuntu, FreeBSD 6.3, and FreeBSD >> 7.0 virtual machines (VM) to mimic our deployment servers locally. >> I simply >> double-click the particular VM and it boots because there''s no >> installation >> process. >> Furthermore, you have the option to configuring the VM by >> downloading and >> installing additional software. >> >> Next, if you backup your Windows to an external drive, this isn''t >> the same >> as >> reinstalling the OS because you can be potentially be restoring from >> a compromised >> backup (i.e. saving virus infected OS). >> >> Lastly, I use my Macs for many types of development/work including >> Rails. >> Thus, >> you invest in something where you can get the most bang for your >> buck. >> Also, I >> wouldn''t make decisions to buy a system because it has more >> software. This >> is >> not very logical as the basis for buying anything. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -Conrad >> >> >> >>> On Dec 26, 6:14 am, "solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org" >>> <solithsn...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>>> if u dont worry about the additional 500 bucks, buy the mac. it''s >>>> so >>>> easy and intuitive to work on this OS - u''ll love it. >>>> try to buy an refurbished mac, you''ll get some extra bucks back ! >>>> search in the apple store for refurbished products and you safe >>>> about >>>> 20% ! >> >>>> dont care about itunes. if u have your lib on a external drive, you >>>> could import your music simply. > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:10 AM, wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Does having VMWare as an additional layer create any inefficiencies or > problems ?No, it''s just another app, but one that makes it possible to use one system to test on all major platforms. I have a MacBook Pro running VMs of Windows(2000, XP), Ubuntu, CentOS, OpenSolaris. So if you /really/ need some software that''s Windows-only, no prob. And a generic three-button/scroll-wheel mouse works on it just fine, as well. If I were you I''d pop down to the nearest Apple store (or dealer) and play around with a MacBook in person before you make a decision. As far as problems installing Linux on your laptop (unsupported peripherals, etc.) -- many distros offer bootable CD images that can run without installation. Just download an ISO image, burn to a CD, and try it out risk-free. Alternatively, does your BIOS support booting from an external drive? That''s another non-destructive option. FWIW, and good luck, -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2008-Dec-27 17:10 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
It''s possible things have changed since I played around with linux, but I have booted I think it was knoppix from my laptop CD. It was fun to play with at the time, but I think I had to configure or mount things every time I booted. Right now my laptop CD drive is no longer working and I have been using an external CD drive through USB. I had also played with installing vector linux, DSL linux, and knoppix on some older junk PC''s that people gave me and which only had 10 gig drives or something. I had tried booting Ubuntu once on my mothers newer desktop, but I don''t think it had enough memory. At any rate, the unsolved question fro me is if I would want to go the route of linux on an IBM PC laptop or consider getting a Mac laptop. The first option would involve me researching what I would need to do or learn in order to install linux myself, which distro I should select, which laptop I would need etc, On Dec 27, 11:40 am, "Hassan Schroeder" <hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:10 AM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Does having VMWare as an additional layer create any inefficiencies or > > problems ? > > No, it''s just another app, but one that makes it possible to use one > system to test on all major platforms. I have a MacBook Pro running > VMs of Windows(2000, XP), Ubuntu, CentOS, OpenSolaris. > > So if you /really/ need some software that''s Windows-only, no prob. > > And a generic three-button/scroll-wheel mouse works on it just fine, > as well. > > If I were you I''d pop down to the nearest Apple store (or dealer) and > play around with a MacBook in person before you make a decision. > > As far as problems installing Linux on your laptop (unsupported > peripherals, etc.) -- many distros offer bootable CD images that can > run without installation. Just download an ISO image, burn to a CD, > and try it out risk-free. Alternatively, does your BIOS support booting > from an external drive? That''s another non-destructive option. > > FWIW, and good luck, > -- > Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:10 AM, wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> At any rate, the unsolved question fro me is if I would want to go > the route of linux on an IBM PC laptop or consider getting a Mac > laptop. The first option would involve me researching what I would > need to do or learn in order to install linux myself, which distro I > should select, which laptop I would need etc,Or just buy one -- I believe both Lenovo and Dell sell systems with Linux installed; if not, you can probably find someone local selling pre-configured systems. But as I said, try the Mac and see what you think. There are things I dislike about mine, but overall I think it''s the best solution for a mobile Web developer. YMMV! -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2008-Dec-27 18:04 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
Hey, that''s really interesting. I found dell laptops with ubuntu starting at $500. http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs I assume that they could read from my external drive as well ? Can ITunes run on ubuntu ? Is installation of software involve more steps and complexity on ubuntu ? anyway, that''s a good price, what advantages do you think a mac has ? I know it was mentioned textmate IDE for rails ... On Dec 27, 12:26 pm, "Hassan Schroeder" <hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:10 AM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > At any rate, the unsolved question fro me is if I would want to go > > the route of linux on an IBM PC laptop or consider getting a Mac > > laptop. The first option would involve me researching what I would > > need to do or learn in order to install linux myself, which distro I > > should select, which laptop I would need etc, > > Or just buy one -- I believe both Lenovo and Dell sell systems with > Linux installed; if not, you can probably find someone local selling > pre-configured systems. > > But as I said, try the Mac and see what you think. There are things > I dislike about mine, but overall I think it''s the best solution for a > mobile Web developer. YMMV! > > -- > Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:04 AM, wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hey, that''s really interesting. I found dell laptops with ubuntu > starting at $500. http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs > > I assume that they could read from my external drive as well ?Presumably :-)> Can ITunes run on ubuntu ?No, though you could run it on Windows under VMWare (or Parallels)> Is installation of software involve more steps > and complexity on ubuntu ?Sorry, too vague a question to reasonably answer, IMO.> anyway, that''s a good price, what advantages do you think a mac has ?As I said -- on a Mac, you can do browser testing (or desktop software testing, for that matter) of the three major platforms: Mac/Win/*nix. On a Windows or *nix machine, you only get two of those three. I like OmniGraffle for IA work (flow charts, etc.). And there''s consumer stuff that''s available for Mac and Win* that isn''t available for *nix, but you just have to decide how important that is to you. My primary dev system for a long time was a SuSE desktop machine so I was used to the minimal-consumer-toys issue. Though I had to use it for a week recently when my MBP logic board died and mostly I missed Twitterific :-) Anyway, HTH! -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2008-Dec-27 19:51 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
I''m not as serious a web developer as some, and at the moment I have a job doing back end Ruby stuff mostly, but I have to keep an eye to the future just in case. I come from a back end programming background, and have tried to get into front end a bit, though I seem to prefer back end work and do better with that. That had something to do with why my last stint with web development ended which was my first job doing web stuff, though it was PHP and the management got sick of me trying to push Rails .. I saw there are some u-tube videos on dual booting with vmware, I''ll have to check them out when I am someplace with a higher speed internet. From a quick look at some web sites, it seems like at least a slightly complicated thing to figure out .. If I got a mac, I could possibly set up my older HP laptop to run Ubuntu, it has 500 meg of ram .. I thought I saw ubuntu can run in 380 meg of ram, but I''m not sure if 500 is ideal or not. Assuming it was, that way I''d have ITunes on the mac and could still play with a serious linux distro and put my old laptop to good use as it is getting bogged down with XP it seems as time goes on .. On Dec 27, 1:57 pm, "Hassan Schroeder" <hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:04 AM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Hey, that''s really interesting. I found dell laptops with ubuntu > > starting at $500.http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&... > > > I assume that they could read from my external drive as well ? > > Presumably :-) > > > Can ITunes run on ubuntu ? > > No, though you could run it on Windows under VMWare (or Parallels) > > > Is installation of software involve more steps > > and complexity on ubuntu ? > > Sorry, too vague a question to reasonably answer, IMO. > > > anyway, that''s a good price, what advantages do you think a mac has ? > > As I said -- on a Mac, you can do browser testing (or desktop software > testing, for that matter) of the three major platforms: Mac/Win/*nix. > > On a Windows or *nix machine, you only get two of those three. > > I like OmniGraffle for IA work (flow charts, etc.). And there''s consumer > stuff that''s available for Mac and Win* that isn''t available for *nix, but > you just have to decide how important that is to you. > > My primary dev system for a long time was a SuSE desktop machine > so I was used to the minimal-consumer-toys issue. Though I had to > use it for a week recently when my MBP logic board died and mostly > I missed Twitterific :-) > > Anyway, HTH! > -- > Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:04 AM, "wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hey, that''s really interesting. I found dell laptops with ubuntu > starting at $500. http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs > > I assume that they could read from my external drive as well ? Can > ITunes run on ubuntu ? Is installation of software involve more steps > and complexity on ubuntu ? >You should be able to if it is properly configured. iTunes is only available for Mac and Windows. Lastly, it really depends on the package management system you''re using. In general, it''s fairly easy to perform software installs.> anyway, that''s a good price, what advantages do you think a mac has ?Again, this really depends on your personal preference. Also, please feel free to visit your local Apple Store and test drive the Mac OS X. It''s like buying a car where you try before you buy.> > I know it was mentioned textmate IDE for rails ...I wish that you don''t purchase a Mac to only use Textmate. You should have bigger goals for investing in a Mac or at least using it more than to run Textmate. In short, you should evaluate your goals as well as your budget constraints in making your purchasing decision. Good luck, -Conrad> > On Dec 27, 12:26 pm, "Hassan Schroeder" <hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:10 AM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >> >> <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>> At any rate, the unsolved question fro me is if I would want to go >>> the route of linux on an IBM PC laptop or consider getting a Mac >>> laptop. The first option would involve me researching what I would >>> need to do or learn in order to install linux myself, which distro I >>> should select, which laptop I would need etc, >> >> Or just buy one -- I believe both Lenovo and Dell sell systems with >> Linux installed; if not, you can probably find someone local selling >> pre-configured systems. >> >> But as I said, try the Mac and see what you think. There are things >> I dislike about mine, but overall I think it''s the best solution >> for a >> mobile Web developer. YMMV! >> >> -- >> Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2008-Dec-27 20:24 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
> > > I know it was mentioned textmate IDE for rails ... > > I wish that you don''t purchase a Mac to only use Textmate. You should > have bigger goals for investing in a Mac or at least using it more > than to run Textmate. In short, you should evaluate your goals as > well as your budget constraints in making your purchasing decision. >I do have a general favorable impression of mac, and that''s just one aspect of it. I have been sort of obsessed with Ruby and Rails. I also wonder if having some familiarity with mac software might help my IT resume in general .. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:51 AM, wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I saw there are some u-tube videos on dual booting with vmware,? I''m not sure what you mean: VMWare just runs as an application under MacOS. You install other operating systems under it. So, for instance, I''m using all my Mac apps plus I have a window open with an OpenSolaris desktop and apps, or Ubuntu, or Windows. Perhaps you''re thinking of Boot Camp, which is a dual-boot setup.> If I got a mac, I could possibly set up my older HP laptop to run > Ubuntu, it has 500 meg of ram .. IIf I had a 3-year-old laptop with only 500m memory and a bad CD drive, I''d call it a doorstop and dump it.> that way I''d have ITunes on the mac and could still play with a > serious linux distroGet the Mac and VMWare and you can play with as many distros as you have disk space for, while you''re listening to your music :-) -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hassan Schroeder wrote:> If I had a 3-year-old laptop with only 500m memory and a bad CD > drive, I''d call it a doorstop and dump it.Whereas if I had one, I''d do something useful with it :P My router/firewall is a dual P2-350 with 400mb ram and it''s been working fine with gentoo on it for years and years. It never overheats, it''s almost silent and I almost never have to touch it :) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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2008-Dec-27 21:07 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
> ? I''m not sure what you mean: VMWare just runs as an application > under MacOS. You install other operating systems under it. So, for > instance, I''m using all my Mac apps plus I have a window open with > an OpenSolaris desktop and apps, or Ubuntu, or Windows. >I guess people also use VMWare on IBM PC''s to dual boot linux and windows .. Is the VMWare you use free ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 1:07 PM, wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I guess people also use VMWare on IBM PC''s to dual boot linux and > windows ..1) it''s *not* "dual boot" -- dual boot means you''re choosing which OS to run, and only one at at time; VMWare lets you run multiple guest OSs simultaneously along with your "host" OS. 2) VMWare has desktop versions for Win/Linux/MacOS. I run VMWare on my SuSE desktop to host Windows and other distros for testing.> Is the VMWare you use free ?Nope, but at US$60 extremely reasonably priced for what it does, IMO. -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi, I have a few arguments (some philosophical, some practical), for you to THIMK about. 1- I''m a Windows user. Why? phy - I think I''m just in the middle: not so open like Linux (which pretend to run and work with everywhere), and not so closed as OS/X which is TOTALLY platform dependent. pra - I''m an AMD fan regular user (they are cheaper), a Mac costs twice here then everywhere else, thanks to government taxes. 2 - I''m a happy windows user for years, with a few tries on Linux, but always back to Windows. phy - Laziness pra - Things simply don''t work on Linux out of the box: once I need to buy 3 web cams, to get one working (Ubuntu), and I couldn''t use it on the "Messenger like" Linux software. Another one: where in the hell things you download and install goes? I need to download the stuff i choose again and again (OK it is laziness)... Look, I''m using Windows XP SP 3, installed for more then a year and man believe me I'' download a LOT. My Win-AMD station still working fine. Most of the time the problem is on the software around and people blame Windows ! Firefox 3 is driving me crazy for instance. I think I will be back to 2, or give Opera a try. 3 - About iTunes, well... Sorry for you. phy - there is a Zillion of open stuff to do the same (OK may not so cute). pra - iAnything costs a LOT. 4 - Better developing on Mac then Windows ? Well, it is like the old question: Which is the best text processor? which leads to the ancient answer: It is the one that bast feet you! phy - I don''t buy it pra - If you are an IDE guy? Use Netbeans. If you are a Command line + editor guy use Console + Komodo edit, and be happy The only draw back on Rails World with Windows is that most of the time, Rails developers (which unfortunately most of the time are Mac users) tend to ignore 90% of the market (don''t ask me why), so, there are somethings that you will need to wait a few months to get working good on Windows (recent experiences: Merb, which was not Rails but now it is and they fixed that before the "merge"; and CouchDB, which I''m still waiting a decent Windows version which I don''t need to do by myself from sources, to give it a try). Good look with your decision ! All the best. On Dec 26, 7:35 am, "wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I am thinking of getting a new laptop. I noticed the cheapest mac was > about $1000, whereas I can get a cheap HP for about $550. The cheaper > machine is kind of appealing, but the idea of a linux type system for > a mac appeals to me however. I''ve always liked working on unix/linux > at various companies, but I''ve always owned IBM clone PC and have > never owned a mac. > > I have a HP laptop that is not quite 3 years old. I''ve downloaded > alot of stuff, and the machine seems to run alot slower than it used > to. It takes along time to boot, and it''s gotten really bad, though I > do have AVG. I get the impression that spyware on a mac would be less > of a problem and that type of degradation might not happen as fast on > a mac or that I could more easily figure out what the heck was running > on the machine ? > > I also hear that there is less software for macs, I might like to use > winscp, a graphical SVN or such that is not to hard to install. I''m > not sure what else ofhand .. OpenOffice must work on a mac I might > guess .. > > Right now my ITunes library is on an external USB drive, I assume if > I started up ITunes on a mac it would import stuff from my IPod to > itself as this happened when I first moved my lib to an external > drive. > > I get the impression that Rails development on a mac might be > somewhat better, but I''m curious what people have to say on that ?--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> My Win-AMD station still working fine. Most of the time the > problem is on the software around and people blame Windows ! Firefox 3 > is driving me crazy for instance. I think I will be back to 2, or give > Opera a try.I have Firefox 3 running perfectly on every operating system. Must be the software again right?> 3 - About iTunes, well... Sorry for you. > phy - there is a Zillion of open stuff to do the same (OK may not so > cute). > pra - iAnything costs a LOT.iTunes is free. iLife is free with every consumer Mac. iWork is $79 for a complete office suite that works very well. How much is Microsoft Office?> 4 - Better developing on Mac then Windows ? Well, it is like the old > question: Which is the best text processor? which leads to the ancient > answer: It is the one that bast feet you! > phy - I don''t buy it > pra - If you are an IDE guy? Use Netbeans. If you are a Command line + > editor guy use Console + Komodo edit, and be happyIDEs are a personal preference, true. Most Rails developers seem to like something that''s slim, fast and reliable. Netbeans for me is bloated, extremely slow and crashes more than a drunk driving a car (at least it still does on Windows for me, but that must be the software again). Best regards Peter De Berdt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Don''t forget there''s an XML file in your iTunes library (probably in the "my music" folder) that has your playlists and such. You''d have to move that tp the mac or what ever you get. And if you plug in the USB drive into a mac the "drive" letters might be different. Find/ replace? HTH John. On Dec 26, 4:35 am, "wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I am thinking of getting a new laptop. I noticed the cheapest mac was > about $1000, whereas I can get a cheap HP for about $550. The cheaper > machine is kind of appealing, but the idea of a linux type system for > a mac appeals to me however. I''ve always liked working on unix/linux > at various companies, but I''ve always owned IBM clone PC and have > never owned a mac. > > I have a HP laptop that is not quite 3 years old. I''ve downloaded > alot of stuff, and the machine seems to run alot slower than it used > to. It takes along time to boot, and it''s gotten really bad, though I > do have AVG. I get the impression that spyware on a mac would be less > of a problem and that type of degradation might not happen as fast on > a mac or that I could more easily figure out what the heck was running > on the machine ? > > I also hear that there is less software for macs, I might like to use > winscp, a graphical SVN or such that is not to hard to install. I''m > not sure what else ofhand .. OpenOffice must work on a mac I might > guess .. > > Right now my ITunes library is on an external USB drive, I assume if > I started up ITunes on a mac it would import stuff from my IPod to > itself as this happened when I first moved my lib to an external > drive. > > I get the impression that Rails development on a mac might be > somewhat better, but I''m curious what people have to say on that ?--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Friday 26 December 2008 06:52 am, Peter De Berdt wrote:> > On 26 Dec 2008, at 12:33, Matt Harrison wrote: > > >> I have a HP laptop that is not quite 3 years old. I''ve downloaded > >> alot of stuff, and the machine seems to run alot slower than itused> >> to. It takes along time to boot, and it''s gotten really bad, thoughI> >> do have AVG. > > > > Backup, format and re-install windows. Every computer needs this now > > and > > again. I do that to my desktop about every 3 months, keeps itrunning> > like new, plus you''ll have the experience for when a hard-disk dies. > > You gotta be kidding.I did it about every 6 months on my regularly used (Windows) computers--this was back in the day when I used Windows 95 and 98. It definitely was required for Windows and/or the mix of applications I used. To the OP: I think you know that PCs today can run Linux (just has to be installed unless you find a pre-installed version), and then, with Linux installed, I wouldn''t expect a Mac with Linux to be any better than a PC with Linux (with the possible exception of some different applications available). Randy Kramer -- I didn''t have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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2008-Dec-31 22:40 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
Here''s some other thoughts I had on macs after looking at this page and browsing around some sections on the bottom: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/index.html I think it might be cool sometime to maybe do some programming with ITunes if I could think of some cool projects. I never download all of my podcasts automatically, but sometimes I might be interested in knowing which of my favorite podcasts have updated as I am more interested in some than others and looking at each one individually is time consuming, maybe there''s some other things I might think of at some point. I like the idea that MAC OS probably comes with a linux C++ compiler and maybe I could write some ruby gems in C++. If the MAC has some decent free API''s for audio, video, or other peripherals, I might want to play around with stuff of that sort. All that kind of stuff could potentially help me build my resume up a bit and be interesting .. I looked at the MAC laptop that has 2 gig of memory for a round $1300 that looked interesting .. On Dec 27, 2:54 pm, Conrad Taylor <conra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:04 AM, "wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" > > <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Hey, that''s really interesting. I found dell laptops with ubuntu > > starting at $500.http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&... > > > I assume that they could read from my external drive as well ? Can > > ITunes run on ubuntu ? Is installation of software involve more steps > > and complexity on ubuntu ? > > You should be able to if it is properly configured. iTunes is only > available for Mac and Windows. Lastly, it really depends on the > package management system you''re using. In general, it''s fairly easy > to perform software installs. > > > anyway, that''s a good price, what advantages do you think a mac has ? > > Again, this really depends on your personal preference. Also, please > feel free to visit your local Apple Store and test drive the Mac OS > X. It''s like buying a car where you try before you buy. > > > > > I know it was mentioned textmate IDE for rails ... > > I wish that you don''t purchase a Mac to only use Textmate. You should > have bigger goals for investing in a Mac or at least using it more > than to run Textmate. In short, you should evaluate your goals as > well as your budget constraints in making your purchasing decision. > > Good luck, > > -Conrad > > > > > On Dec 27, 12:26 pm, "Hassan Schroeder" <hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > > wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:10 AM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > >> <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >>> At any rate, the unsolved question fro me is if I would want to go > >>> the route of linux on an IBM PC laptop or consider getting a Mac > >>> laptop. The first option would involve me researching what I would > >>> need to do or learn in order to install linux myself, which distro I > >>> should select, which laptop I would need etc, > > >> Or just buy one -- I believe both Lenovo and Dell sell systems with > >> Linux installed; if not, you can probably find someone local selling > >> pre-configured systems. > > >> But as I said, try the Mac and see what you think. There are things > >> I dislike about mine, but overall I think it''s the best solution > >> for a > >> mobile Web developer. YMMV! > > >> -- > >> Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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2008-Dec-31 23:12 UTC
Re: Advice on Mac versus PC ?
One other thing that I am curious about is if I could put together text to speech utilities on a Mac using free stuff or what''s already there ? I bought the book ''practical ruby projects'' and from some stuff in there I did a simple utility that just runs from a dos shell. Anytime you highlight text and copy it into the past buffer it reads the text using some text to speech .dll .. so I can have it read email, stuff on the web, whatever .. I''d also be curious about free speech to text stuff on a MAC ? I never got that far on windows, though I played around with some stuff, it was a bit more complicated ... On Dec 31, 5:40 pm, "wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Here''s some other thoughts I had on macs after looking at this page > and browsing around some sections on the bottom:http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/index.html > > I think it might be cool sometime to maybe do some programming with > ITunes if I could think of some cool projects. I never download all of > my podcasts automatically, but sometimes I might be interested in > knowing which of my favorite podcasts have updated as I am more > interested in some than others and looking at each one individually is > time consuming, maybe there''s some other things I might think of at > some point. > > I like the idea that MAC OS probably comes with a linux C++ compiler > and maybe I could write some ruby gems in C++. > > If the MAC has some decent free API''s for audio, video, or other > peripherals, I might want to play around with stuff of that sort. > > All that kind of stuff could potentially help me build my resume up a > bit and be interesting .. > > I looked at the MAC laptop that has 2 gig of memory for a round $1300 > that looked interesting .. > > On Dec 27, 2:54 pm, Conrad Taylor <conra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:04 AM, "wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" > > > <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > Hey, that''s really interesting. I found dell laptops with ubuntu > > > starting at $500.http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&... > > > > I assume that they could read from my external drive as well ? Can > > > ITunes run on ubuntu ? Is installation of software involve more steps > > > and complexity on ubuntu ? > > > You should be able to if it is properly configured. iTunes is only > > available for Mac and Windows. Lastly, it really depends on the > > package management system you''re using. In general, it''s fairly easy > > to perform software installs. > > > > anyway, that''s a good price, what advantages do you think a mac has ? > > > Again, this really depends on your personal preference. Also, please > > feel free to visit your local Apple Store and test drive the Mac OS > > X. It''s like buying a car where you try before you buy. > > > > I know it was mentioned textmate IDE for rails ... > > > I wish that you don''t purchase a Mac to only use Textmate. You should > > have bigger goals for investing in a Mac or at least using it more > > than to run Textmate. In short, you should evaluate your goals as > > well as your budget constraints in making your purchasing decision. > > > Good luck, > > > -Conrad > > > > On Dec 27, 12:26 pm, "Hassan Schroeder" <hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > > > wrote: > > >> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:10 AM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > > >> <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > >>> At any rate, the unsolved question fro me is if I would want to go > > >>> the route of linux on an IBM PC laptop or consider getting a Mac > > >>> laptop. The first option would involve me researching what I would > > >>> need to do or learn in order to install linux myself, which distro I > > >>> should select, which laptop I would need etc, > > > >> Or just buy one -- I believe both Lenovo and Dell sell systems with > > >> Linux installed; if not, you can probably find someone local selling > > >> pre-configured systems. > > > >> But as I said, try the Mac and see what you think. There are things > > >> I dislike about mine, but overall I think it''s the best solution > > >> for a > > >> mobile Web developer. YMMV! > > > >> -- > > >> Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:12, "wbsurfver-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" <wbsurfver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > One other thing that I am curious about is if I could put together > text to speech utilities on a Mac using free stuff or what''s already > there ?There is a text to speech api that is part of os x Fred> I bought the book ''practical ruby projects'' and from some > stuff in there I did a simple utility that just runs from a dos shell. > Anytime you highlight text and copy it into the past buffer it reads > the text using some text to speech .dll .. so I can have it read > email, stuff on the web, whatever .. > > I''d also be curious about free speech to text stuff on a MAC ? I > never got that far on windows, though I played around with some stuff, > it was a bit more complicated ... > > > > On Dec 31, 5:40 pm, "wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> Here''s some other thoughts I had on macs after looking at this page >> and browsing around some sections on the bottom:http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/index.html >> >> I think it might be cool sometime to maybe do some programming with >> ITunes if I could think of some cool projects. I never download all >> of >> my podcasts automatically, but sometimes I might be interested in >> knowing which of my favorite podcasts have updated as I am more >> interested in some than others and looking at each one individually >> is >> time consuming, maybe there''s some other things I might think of at >> some point. >> >> I like the idea that MAC OS probably comes with a linux C++ compiler >> and maybe I could write some ruby gems in C++. >> >> If the MAC has some decent free API''s for audio, video, or other >> peripherals, I might want to play around with stuff of that sort. >> >> All that kind of stuff could potentially help me build my resume up a >> bit and be interesting .. >> >> I looked at the MAC laptop that has 2 gig of memory for a round $1300 >> that looked interesting .. >> >> On Dec 27, 2:54 pm, Conrad Taylor <conra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:04 AM, "wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" >> >>> <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >>>> Hey, that''s really interesting. I found dell laptops with ubuntu >>>> starting at $500.http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19& >>>> ... >> >>>> I assume that they could read from my external drive as well ? Can >>>> ITunes run on ubuntu ? Is installation of software involve more >>>> steps >>>> and complexity on ubuntu ? >> >>> You should be able to if it is properly configured. iTunes is only >>> available for Mac and Windows. Lastly, it really depends on the >>> package management system you''re using. In general, it''s fairly >>> easy >>> to perform software installs. >> >>>> anyway, that''s a good price, what advantages do you think a mac >>>> has ? >> >>> Again, this really depends on your personal preference. Also, >>> please >>> feel free to visit your local Apple Store and test drive the Mac OS >>> X. It''s like buying a car where you try before you buy. >> >>>> I know it was mentioned textmate IDE for rails ... >> >>> I wish that you don''t purchase a Mac to only use Textmate. You >>> should >>> have bigger goals for investing in a Mac or at least using it more >>> than to run Textmate. In short, you should evaluate your goals as >>> well as your budget constraints in making your purchasing decision. >> >>> Good luck, >> >>> -Conrad >> >>>> On Dec 27, 12:26 pm, "Hassan Schroeder" >>>> <hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:10 AM, wbsurf...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >> >>>>> <wbsurf...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>>>>> At any rate, the unsolved question fro me is if I would want to >>>>>> go >>>>>> the route of linux on an IBM PC laptop or consider getting a Mac >>>>>> laptop. The first option would involve me researching what I >>>>>> would >>>>>> need to do or learn in order to install linux myself, which >>>>>> distro I >>>>>> should select, which laptop I would need etc, >> >>>>> Or just buy one -- I believe both Lenovo and Dell sell systems >>>>> with >>>>> Linux installed; if not, you can probably find someone local >>>>> selling >>>>> pre-configured systems. >> >>>>> But as I said, try the Mac and see what you think. There are >>>>> things >>>>> I dislike about mine, but overall I think it''s the best solution >>>>> for a >>>>> mobile Web developer. YMMV! >> >>>>> -- >>>>> Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ >>>>> hassan.schroe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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Oh the memories, a small history lesson, this is something from a year before Windows was introduced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0FtgZNOD44#t =3m6s Things have considerably improved over the years, but back then it was groundbreaking. On 01 Jan 2009, at 09:55, Frederick Cheung wrote:> There is a text to speech api that is part of os x > >> I''d also be curious about free speech to text stuff on a MAC ? I >> never got that far on windows, though I played around with some >> stuff, >> it was a bit more complicated ...Best regards Peter De Berdt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---