Q) Why did the dinosaurs really become extinct? A) They ate their young... It is such a pity that the BEGINNING learning resources for RoR are now out of sync with the Applications... Trying to follow the Linda.com tutorials (which are very well presented for newcomers) and Agile Web Dev... we run into Rake error (fixed)... mysql default change to sqllite3 (fixed)... then database must now be created first (fixed)... then scaffolding issue (fixed)... now pagination... most common solution use 1.2.6 instead... download (OK)... change spec in environment.rb (yep no problem)... Whoops Webrick server now not working... Time spent on tutorial so far approx 45 mins... time spent trying to make up for the... "oh we don''t do it that way now... never heard of legacy before... who cares about people interested enough in the hype to check us out mentality" 12hours... hmmm something wrong there... Oh look daddy... there''s a T-Rex... yes honey unfortunately daddy is too busy building websites with those other languages at the moment to be be able to spend time watching... What will be really interesting is the response to this post... because for the 1 that speaks up there are 100+ silent... For the record... I really want RoR to be the accepted first stop for Web Development... the possibilities are tremendous... but from the starting blocks it is NOT a straightforward path... So... Does anyone know of a simple, straightforward, BEGINNERS path to getting started that works with Rails 2+ Cheers --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
The new Agile Web Dev. book that''s in beta covers Rails 2.x. Also, http://guides.rails.info/ is up to date and pretty thorough. --Jeremy On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM, gsv <greg.s.vaughan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Q) Why did the dinosaurs really become extinct? A) They ate their > young... > > It is such a pity that the BEGINNING learning resources for RoR are > now out of sync with the Applications... Trying to follow the > Linda.com tutorials (which are very well presented for newcomers) and > Agile Web Dev... we run into Rake error (fixed)... mysql default > change to sqllite3 (fixed)... then database must now be created first > (fixed)... then scaffolding issue (fixed)... now pagination... most > common solution use 1.2.6 instead... download (OK)... change spec in > environment.rb (yep no problem)... Whoops Webrick server now not > working... > > Time spent on tutorial so far approx 45 mins... time spent trying to > make up for the... "oh we don''t do it that way now... never heard of > legacy before... who cares about people interested enough in the hype > to check us out mentality" 12hours... hmmm something wrong there... > > Oh look daddy... there''s a T-Rex... yes honey unfortunately daddy is > too busy building websites with those other languages at the moment to > be be able to spend time watching... > > What will be really interesting is the response to this post... > because for the 1 that speaks up there are 100+ silent... > > For the record... I really want RoR to be the accepted first stop for > Web Development... the possibilities are tremendous... but from the > starting blocks it is NOT a straightforward path... > > So... Does anyone know of a simple, straightforward, BEGINNERS path to > getting started that works with Rails 2+ > > Cheers > > >-- http://jeremymcanally.com/ http://entp.com/ http://omgbloglol.com My books: http://manning.com/mcanally/ http://humblelittlerubybook.com/ (FREE!) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
gsv wrote:> Q) Why did the dinosaurs really become extinct? A) They ate their > young... >...> For the record... I really want RoR to be the accepted first stop for > Web Development... the possibilities are tremendous... but from the > starting blocks it is NOT a straightforward path... > > So... Does anyone know of a simple, straightforward, BEGINNERS path to > getting started that works with Rails 2+ > > Cheersyeah, it can be frustrating. I was going to suggest a book, and then I found it was just 1.2. Rails 1.2+ was stepping stone to 2.x but I guess there are differences. I came across this: http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails2/ but I don''t know if it is good or not. Once you do get on the horse, you can then follow the changelogs (http://weblog.rubyonrails.com/releases) for each new release, see or download rails presentations, read blogs like Ryan''s Scraps (to name one) so you can see what''s changing. Even being on the horse can be frustrating though. I''m not comfortable with the plugin ecosystem - but I can''t justify why. I don''t like all the helper methods that rails provides that create an extra layer between you and what''s going on - but thankfully, they are just helper methods so you can pick and choose. Rails testing is brilliant, but you''ll find yourself on a treadmill going from TDD (the default) to BDD (rspec and friends). -- Daniel Bush --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks very much... I''ll give those a try... I have catalogued all teh steps down the path and what to avoid... Hopefully can get a fairly smooth "Beginners do these steps" down the track... Cheers On Nov 17, 3:44 pm, "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcana...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> The new Agile Web Dev. book that''s in beta covers Rails 2.x. > > Also,http://guides.rails.info/is up to date and pretty thorough. > > --Jeremy > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM, gsv <greg.s.vaug...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Q) Why did the dinosaurs really become extinct? A) They ate their > > young... > > > It is such a pity that the BEGINNING learning resources for RoR are > > now out of sync with the Applications... Trying to follow the > > Linda.com tutorials (which are very well presented for newcomers) and > > Agile Web Dev... we run into Rake error (fixed)... mysql default > > change to sqllite3 (fixed)... then database must now be created first > > (fixed)... then scaffolding issue (fixed)... now pagination... most > > common solution use 1.2.6 instead... download (OK)... change spec in > > environment.rb (yep no problem)... Whoops Webrick server now not > > working... > > > Time spent on tutorial so far approx 45 mins... time spent trying to > > make up for the... "oh we don''t do it that way now... never heard of > > legacy before... who cares about people interested enough in the hype > > to check us out mentality" 12hours... hmmm something wrong there... > > > Oh look daddy... there''s a T-Rex... yes honey unfortunately daddy is > > too busy building websites with those other languages at the moment to > > be be able to spend time watching... > > > What will be really interesting is the response to this post... > > because for the 1 that speaks up there are 100+ silent... > > > For the record... I really want RoR to be the accepted first stop for > > Web Development... the possibilities are tremendous... but from the > > starting blocks it is NOT a straightforward path... > > > So... Does anyone know of a simple, straightforward, BEGINNERS path to > > getting started that works with Rails 2+ > > > Cheers > > --http://jeremymcanally.com/http://entp.com/http://omgbloglol.com > > My books:http://manning.com/mcanally/http://humblelittlerubybook.com/(FREE!)--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks, I will have a look at them... Again... For the record... in my short time around the RoR community I have found it to be VERY helpful compared to some others that I could mention... so it seems a land of contrasts to me... Brilliant stuff with "omg who in their right mind would ever do that" right next to it... maybe it isn''t but that''s first impressions for you... one thing is that it is "interesting" no matter which way you look at it... Cheers On Nov 17, 4:53 pm, Daniel Bush <dlb.id...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> gsv wrote: > > Q) Why did the dinosaurs really become extinct? A) They ate their > > young... > > ... > > For the record... I really want RoR to be the accepted first stop for > > Web Development... the possibilities are tremendous... but from the > > starting blocks it is NOT a straightforward path... > > > So... Does anyone know of a simple, straightforward, BEGINNERS path to > > getting started that works with Rails 2+ > > > Cheers > > yeah, it can be frustrating. > I was going to suggest a book, and then I found it was just 1.2. > Rails 1.2+ was stepping stone to 2.x but I guess there are > differences. I came across this:http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails2/ > but I don''t know if it is good or not. > > Once you do get on the horse, you can then follow the changelogs > (http://weblog.rubyonrails.com/releases) for each new release, see or > download rails presentations, read blogs like Ryan''s Scraps (to name > one) so you can see what''s changing. > > Even being on the horse can be frustrating though. I''m not > comfortable with the plugin ecosystem - but I can''t justify why. I > don''t like all the helper methods that rails provides that create an > extra layer between you and what''s going on - but thankfully, they are > just helper methods so you can pick and choose. Rails testing is > brilliant, but you''ll find yourself on a treadmill going from TDD (the > default) to BDD (rspec and friends). > > -- > Daniel Bush--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---