Rails - Sep 2008 - Agile Web Development with Rails Second vs Third edition

Hello guys,

I am starting with Rails and I have bought the book "Agile Web  
Development with Rails Second". The book is very good but I''ve
found
out already that there are some differences between rails 1.2 and the  
current 2.1.

Is it the old edition good enough to learn rails? or should I try to  
buy a book based on rails 2.1?

Thanks in advance,

GA


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The "Beta Book" for Third Edition is suppose to be keep up with the 
latest Rails version, which will likely be at least version 2.2 by the 
end of the beta cycle.

If you use the Second edition it is recommend to use the version of 
Rails used in the book, or the tutorial code will have problems and 
you''ll have to deal with that instead of actually learning Rails.

Guillermo Acilu wrote:
> Hello guys,
> 
> I am starting with Rails and I have bought the book "Agile Web
> Development with Rails Second". The book is very good but
I''ve found
> out already that there are some differences between rails 1.2 and the
> current 2.1.
> 
> Is it the old edition good enough to learn rails? or should I try to
> buy a book based on rails 2.1?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> GA
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I would recommend ''The Rails Way'' by Obie Fernandez I found
that much
more helpful than the Agile Web Dev book

On Sep 18, 5:07 pm, Robert Walker
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> The "Beta Book" for Third Edition is suppose to be keep up with
the
> latest Rails version, which will likely be at least version 2.2 by the
> end of the beta cycle.
>
> If you use the Second edition it is recommend to use the version of
> Rails used in the book, or the tutorial code will have problems and
> you''ll have to deal with that instead of actually learning Rails.
>
> Guillermo Acilu wrote:
> > Hello guys,
>
> > I am starting with Rails and I have bought the book "Agile Web
> > Development with Rails Second". The book is very good but
I''ve found
> > out already that there are some differences between rails 1.2 and the
> > current 2.1.
>
> > Is it the old edition good enough to learn rails? or should I try to
> > buy a book based on rails 2.1?
>
> > Thanks in advance,
>
> > GA
>
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:39 PM, jjburka
<jjburka-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> I would recommend ''The Rails Way'' by Obie Fernandez I
found that much
> more helpful than the Agile Web Dev book
>
> On Sep 18, 5:07 pm, Robert Walker
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> > The "Beta Book" for Third Edition is suppose to be keep up
with the
> > latest Rails version, which will likely be at least version 2.2 by the
> > end of the beta cycle.
> >
> > If you use the Second edition it is recommend to use the version of
> > Rails used in the book, or the tutorial code will have problems and
> > you''ll have to deal with that instead of actually learning
Rails.
> >
> > Guillermo Acilu wrote:
> > > Hello guys,
> >
> > > I am starting with Rails and I have bought the book "Agile
Web
> > > Development with Rails Second". The book is very good but
I''ve found
> > > out already that there are some differences between rails 1.2 and
the
> > > current 2.1.
> >
> > > Is it the old edition good enough to learn rails? or should I try
to
> > > buy a book based on rails 2.1?
> >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > > GA
> >
>
Hi, I would recommend Agile Web Development with Rails 3rd Edition as a
starting
point.  You should at least complete the construction of the demo
application.  Then
I would take a look at the following books:

"The Rails Way" by Obie Fernandez - an excellent reference on Rails
2.0 but
I''m looking forward to an update covering Rails 2.2
"Advanced Rails Recipes" by Mike Clark and the Rails community - an
excellent cookbook (i.e. problem/solution format)

Lastly, you have the people here to assist you along the way.

Good luck,

-Conrad

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All good recommendations, but I would like to toss in Simply Rails 2
as well as a good place to start. So far, I''ve been working through
the book using Rails 2.1.1 and have not had any problems so far.

On Sep 18, 10:00 pm, "Conrad Taylor"
<conra...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:39 PM, jjburka
<jjbu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > I would recommend ''The Rails Way'' by Obie Fernandez
I found that much
> > more helpful than the Agile Web Dev book
>
> > On Sep 18, 5:07 pm, Robert Walker
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
> > wrote:
> > > The "Beta Book" for Third Edition is suppose to be keep
up with the
> > > latest Rails version, which will likely be at least version 2.2
by the
> > > end of the beta cycle.
>
> > > If you use the Second edition it is recommend to use the version
of
> > > Rails used in the book, or the tutorial code will have problems
and
> > > you''ll have to deal with that instead of actually
learning Rails.
>
> > > Guillermo Acilu wrote:
> > > > Hello guys,
>
> > > > I am starting with Rails and I have bought the book
"Agile Web
> > > > Development with Rails Second". The book is very good
but I''ve found
> > > > out already that there are some differences between rails
1.2 and the
> > > > current 2.1.
>
> > > > Is it the old edition good enough to learn rails? or should
I try to
> > > > buy a book based on rails 2.1?
>
> > > > Thanks in advance,
>
> > > > GA
>
> Hi, I would recommend Agile Web Development with Rails 3rd Edition as a
> starting
> point.  You should at least complete the construction of the demo
> application.  Then
> I would take a look at the following books:
>
> "The Rails Way" by Obie Fernandez - an excellent reference on
Rails 2.0 but
> I''m looking forward to an update covering Rails 2.2
> "Advanced Rails Recipes" by Mike Clark and the Rails community -
an
> excellent cookbook (i.e. problem/solution format)
>
> Lastly, you have the people here to assist you along the way.
>
> Good luck,
>
> -Conrad
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On Sep 18, 9:38 pm, Bobnation
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wrote:
> All good recommendations, but I would like to toss in Simply Rails 2
I second Bob''s suggestion. I started in Rails with Agile Web
Development w/Rails v2, and was happy with it, but I wouldn''t
recommend taking the time to learn something that''s already out of
date. I got Simply Rails 2 because I wanted a walkthrough of how to do
things the Rails 2.0 way, and was very pleased. It doesn''t get
sidetracked by dozens of "here''s another way to do the same
thing" it
just teaches you one way to do it, giving you the most complete
toolset in the shortest amount of time.


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You can learn rails with v2, but some things like migration file names and
especially dynamic scaffolding will be different. If you don''t want to
remap
everything in your brain, get the 3rd edition eBook.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Guillermo Acilu
<x2rails-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>wrote:
>
> Hello guys,
>
> I am starting with Rails and I have bought the book "Agile Web
> Development with Rails Second". The book is very good but
I''ve found
> out already that there are some differences between rails 1.2 and the
> current 2.1.
>
> Is it the old edition good enough to learn rails? or should I try to
> buy a book based on rails 2.1?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> GA
>
>
> >
>
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A good idea. The Beta PDF is available straight from PragProg ... you
can give that a shot as well.

On Sep 20, 6:40 am, "Commander Johnson"
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wrote:
> You can learn rails with v2, but some things like migration file names and
> especially dynamic scaffolding will be different. If you don''t
want to remap
> everything in your brain, get the 3rd edition eBook.
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Guillermo Acilu
<x2ra...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello guys,
>
> > I am starting with Rails and I have bought the book "Agile Web
> > Development with Rails Second". The book is very good but
I''ve found
> > out already that there are some differences between rails 1.2 and the
> > current 2.1.
>
> > Is it the old edition good enough to learn rails? or should I try to
> > buy a book based on rails 2.1?
>
> > Thanks in advance,
>
> > GA
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James Burka wrote:
> I would recommend ''The Rails Way'' by Obie Fernandez I
found that much
> more helpful than the Agile Web Dev book
> 
> On Sep 18, 5:07�pm, Robert Walker <rails-mailing-l...@andreas-s.net>
I would certainly not recommend the Rails Way to a beginner.

The best IMHO is the Agile Web Dev with Rails, unfortunately it is 
currently outdated, but with little research you should be able to make 
all the code work. Don''t you have access to the 3rd Ed Beta?
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