Hi - We''re considering using Redhat as our platform due to the support our host can offer. We''re curious of opinions regarding it. Such any issues running Apache, Ngix, Mongrel, Ruby, Rails, MySQL, etc... We currently use Ubuntu on our dev machines and dev host. Seems like there wouldn''t be much of a difference but not sure - hence this post. Thanks! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM, MW Administrator <michiganwaterfowling-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> We''re considering using Redhat as our platform due to the support our > host can offer. We''re curious of opinions regarding it. Such any > issues running Apache, Ngix, Mongrel, Ruby, Rails, MySQL, etc... > > We currently use Ubuntu on our dev machines and dev host. Seems like > there wouldn''t be much of a difference but not sure - hence this post.Versions aside, most of a Linux distro is the same as any other. The main difference you will find is the package management software. My experience has been something like "rpm sucks and apt rules". -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks for the feedback. Seems if we had issues with the packages we could always build from source - we do that on Ubuntu when all else fails anyhow. Regarding Postgres - you get pretty good performance from it? We use MySQL but seems using Postgres wouldn''t matter since Rails is db agnostic. We had considered checking it out after hearing good reviews. Thanks again. Craig White wrote:> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 17:51 -0400, MW Administrator wrote: >> Hi - >> >> We''re considering using Redhat as our platform due to the support our >> host can offer. We''re curious of opinions regarding it. Such any >> issues running Apache, Ngix, Mongrel, Ruby, Rails, MySQL, etc... >> >> We currently use Ubuntu on our dev machines and dev host. Seems like >> there wouldn''t be much of a difference but not sure - hence this post. > ---- > I use Fedora for development systems and deploy on RHEL/CentOS > > Apache works obviously, I''ve never used nginx. I do use mongrel_cluster. > > I don''t use mysql with rails (I prefer postgresql) but I do use mysql > for other things. > > It''s all good. > > Craig > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:15 PM, MW Administrator <michiganwaterfowling-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Regarding Postgres - you get pretty good performance from it? We use > MySQL but seems using Postgres wouldn''t matter since Rails is db agnostic. > > We had considered checking it out after hearing good reviews.Both work fine for me. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Craig White <craigwhite-BQ75lA0ptkhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> the rules of condo living...one man''s ceiling is another man''s floor. > There are good and bad things about each. Saying one sucks and another > rules is a political statement that doesn''t really help much at all.No, it was an opinion based on years of experience using both RedHat and Debian. I will remind you he said "We''re curious of opinions regarding it" and I returned exactly that, my experience-based, personal opinions. Your post, on the other hand, seems to be the rather useless one, as you didn''t even give an opinion, just some blather about ceilings and floors. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 18:15 -0400, MW Administrator wrote:> Thanks for the feedback. Seems if we had issues with the packages we > could always build from source - we do that on Ubuntu when all else > fails anyhow. > > Regarding Postgres - you get pretty good performance from it? We use > MySQL but seems using Postgres wouldn''t matter since Rails is db agnostic. > > We had considered checking it out after hearing good reviews. > > Thanks again.---- I think others can give you performance citations of mysql vs. postgresql. I feel that the performance from postgresql is fine - I haven''t even added any indexes yet and I have a pretty large application running on it with a couple of tables over 100,000 records. I trust postgresql with data...mysql, less so. Craig --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 17:26 -0500, Greg Donald wrote:> Your post, on the other hand, seems to be the rather useless one, as > you didn''t even give an opinion, just some blather about ceilings and > floors.---- probably because I''m adverse to using the list to post my political views. Craig --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks for the feedback - this helps. Craig White wrote:> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 17:26 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > >> Your post, on the other hand, seems to be the rather useless one, as >> you didn''t even give an opinion, just some blather about ceilings and >> floors. > ---- > probably because I''m adverse to using the list to post my political > views. > > Craig > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
2008/7/30, MW Administrator <michiganwaterfowling-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:> > > Thanks for the feedback - this helps. > > > > Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 17:26 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > > > >> Your post, on the other hand, seems to be the rather useless one, as > >> you didn''t even give an opinion, just some blather about ceilings and > >> floors. > > ---- > > probably because I''m adverse to using the list to post my political > > views. > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I run both Fedora Core 5 and Ubuntu 7.1.0 on two different machines and they both work fine. 1. I mostly compile from sources and install in the standard directories, i.e., /usr/local/. If you rely on package managers, e.g., aptitude, apt, yum, rpm, then you are bound to get different versions and different directory structures. Standardize on your install structure and stay with it across the distros. This means that you have to download the tarballs that you want and hand compile. Well worth the effort in my opinion. 2. I mostly use Yum install which roughly parallels apt-get installations. Rpm is at a much lower level and should only be used if yum does not work. Having said that, try to install ruby, rubygems, etc. from sources rather than the repositories and keep them the same across both your Redhat and Ubuntu systems. You will find that they work the same (to best of my knowledge). The more important things are the supporting libraries for compilation and/or operation, e.g., you need readline to support irb etc. The dev libraries need to be installed to support compilation processes. They have some variations across these systems and need to be researched. I did. 3. There was a thread in this forum where later versions of Fedora 8 (I believe) was causing memory leaks in ruby for someone. I think he downgraded to Fedora 6. I have stayed with Fedora 5 since I don''t need the latest and greatest. Command line works the same across all these versions. 4. I had used Fedora, CentOS, and Redhat extensively before I came to Ubuntu. It is just a matter of getting used to. Once again, if you keep compiling from sources and keep the versions identical across the linux distros, you will not notice any difference (at least I haven''t which has bothered me to the point where I can remember it). 5. Regarding desktop, I keep the default Gnome and really have not noticed much of a difference except that Ubuntu is more polished. Again, this is very subjective and I must admit, I am more of a command line person than GUI user so these differences do not matter much to me. Hope this helps. Bharat --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Excellent feedback - thanks for taking the time. Bharat wrote:> I run both Fedora Core 5 and Ubuntu 7.1.0 on two different machines > and they both work fine. > > 1. I mostly compile from sources and install in the standard > directories, i.e., /usr/local/. If you rely on package managers, > e.g., aptitude, apt, yum, rpm, then you are bound to get different > versions and different directory structures. Standardize on your > install structure and stay with it across the distros. This means > that you have to download the tarballs that you want and hand > compile. Well worth the effort in my opinion. > > 2. I mostly use Yum install which roughly parallels apt-get > installations. Rpm is at a much lower level and should only be used > if yum does not work. Having said that, try to install ruby, > rubygems, etc. from sources rather than the repositories and keep them > the same across both your Redhat and Ubuntu systems. You will find > that they work the same (to best of my knowledge). The more important > things are the supporting libraries for compilation and/or operation, > e.g., you need readline to support irb etc. The dev libraries need to > be installed to support compilation processes. They have some > variations across these systems and need to be researched. I did. > > 3. There was a thread in this forum where later versions of Fedora 8 > (I believe) was causing memory leaks in ruby for someone. I think he > downgraded to Fedora 6. I have stayed with Fedora 5 since I don''t > need the latest and greatest. Command line works the same across all > these versions. > > 4. I had used Fedora, CentOS, and Redhat extensively before I came to > Ubuntu. It is just a matter of getting used to. Once again, if you > keep compiling from sources and keep the versions identical across the > linux distros, you will not notice any difference (at least I haven''t > which has bothered me to the point where I can remember it). > > 5. Regarding desktop, I keep the default Gnome and really have not > noticed much of a difference except that Ubuntu is more polished. > Again, this is very subjective and I must admit, I am more of a > command line person than GUI user so these differences do not matter > much to me. > > Hope this helps. > > Bharat > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:59 -0500, Greg Donald wrote:> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Craig White <craigwhite-BQ75lA0ptkhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > I trust postgresql with data...mysql, less so. > > Especially since no one ever has corrupted data issues when using PostgreSQL. > > http://search.postgresql.org/search?m=1&q=corrupt&l=&d=&s>---- ;-) of course no one ever lost data with mysql I don''t understand why you need to bait others with your highly subjective opinions and in this case, obviously under informed. Ignoring of course that there are more than 2x the number of hits returned from a google search for ''mysql data corruption'' than ''postgresql data corruption'' and the fact that mysql is notorious for data corruption, that would make sense. Personally, I think it''s an insult to consider mysql in the same league with postgresql but it''s not without it''s uses...I use it for web mail preferences, greylisting and other things that I can live without the data if need be and to be honest, I''ve not had any problems with mysql but I also relegate it to light duty. But when the data really matters, it''s postgres. Craig --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Craig White <craigwhite-BQ75lA0ptkhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I don''t understand why you need to bait others with your highly > subjective opinions and in this case, obviously under informed.698 pages of PostgreSQL listserv archive search results for the word "corrupt" is not subjective. I don''t own the site, nor are these my list serve posts. And seeing how I know about them, I seem to be quite informed. PostgreSQL has corruption issues like any other database I''ve ever used.> Ignoring of course that there are more than 2x the number of hits > returned from a google search for ''mysql data corruption'' than > ''postgresql data corruption'' and the fact that mysql is notorious for > data corruption, that would make sense.That''s exactly my point, all databases have corruption issues, including the great and mighty PostgreSQL, or perhaps "especially" is a more appropriate word here.> Personally, I think it''s an insult to consider mysql in the same league > with postgresqlI like it just fine, but I''m not going to be so naive to think my data can''t be corrupted just because I''m using PostgreSQL.> But when the data really matters, it''s postgres.When the data really matters, I make backups. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Craig White <craigwhite-BQ75lA0ptkhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> probably because I''m adverse to using the list to post my political > views.We were asked for opinions and I gave one. Get over it. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:15 -0500, Greg Donald wrote:> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Craig White <craigwhite-BQ75lA0ptkhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > probably because I''m adverse to using the list to post my political > > views. > > We were asked for opinions and I gave one. Get over it.---- gotcha... lemme see now, rpm sucks and apt-get rules postgresql sucks and mysql rules we really need more of your highly relevant opinions Craig --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> > we really need more of your highly relevant opinions >We really need more of your highly constructive criticism on how other people give opinions --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Craig White
2008-Jul-31 00:51 UTC
Re: ****[Rails] Re: ****[Rails] Re: Any issues with Redhat?
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 09:58 +0930, Ryan Bigg wrote:> > > > we really need more of your highly relevant opinions > > > > We really need more of your highly constructive criticism on how other > people give opinions---- actually, Greg''s answer was not responsive to the OP The OP simply asked if there were issues running Rails on RedHat. His answer wasn''t about Rails at all, only his opinion about rpm vs apt which was not the point at all. I thought this was a Rails list but if you prefer...OK - Windows sucks Craig --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---