On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Wu Junchen <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I like to read http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/recent everyday to > learn rails,because I can find some new tips and knowledge from there > everyday.However,the page was broken a few weeks ago,and still can''t be > visited this moment.Aww.. it''s not so bad, try to be more of an optimist. As embarrassing as it is, the broken Rails wiki is probably "promoting book sales". -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Books should not be the go-to source for information. That''s what the Wiki should be for. Simple, every day stuff like "how do I create blog?" should be on there, with up-to-date information. What really annoys me about the wiki articles is the long scream of questions and answers on many of the articles. This is totally un-wiki like and should be moved to a discussion page imo. Another caveat is the sqlite page doesn''t contain all the MacOS instructions in one block. Instead it''s split up into multiple blocks so I have to wade through the information for installing on windows before I can get to anything relevant! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Gregory Seidman
2008-Jul-29 11:57 UTC
Re: The Recently Revised page of rails wiki was broken
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:24:41PM +0930, Ryan Bigg wrote:> Books should not be the go-to source for information. That''s what the > Wiki should be for. Simple, every day stuff like "how do I create > blog?" should be on there, with up-to-date information.[...] This is laughable. Books are an excellent source of information. That''s why people buy them and that''s why people write and publish them. You may want the wiki to be a better source of information than a book, but remember that you get what you pay for. --Greg --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
So you''re saying that, instead of making my knowledge freely and publicly available, I should write a book and sell it? I don''t think so. Knowledge should be free. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Gregory Seidman
2008-Jul-29 12:32 UTC
Re: The Recently Revised page of rails wiki was broken
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:52:54PM +0930, Ryan Bigg wrote:> So you''re saying that, instead of making my knowledge freely and > publicly available, I should write a book and sell it? I don''t think > so. Knowledge should be free.You can do whatever you want with your knowledge. Make it publicly available. Improve the quality of the wiki. But don''t expect everyone else to do the same. And don''t expect quality without a profit motive. It''s not that there can''t be quality without a profit motive, just that it happens less often. The phrase "knowledge should be free" is an opinion. Expressing that opinion does not make it fact. Expressing that opinion may or may not motivate others to make their knowledge freely available. Furthermore, I know that "free" isn''t free; zero monetary cost nearly always, in my experience, translates to a comparable increase in required effort. I''ll repeat that there are exceptions, but it''s generally the case. It takes more effort to learn from the free material on the web than from a book, and not just Rails. --Greg --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I understand what you''re saying, but I''m not saying the wiki should become the replacement for books. Books are fantastic ways for people to learn new things, and go into a lot more detail (and are often better formatted) than simple wiki articles. Wiki articles do take time and time == money. It would just be nice to have something to link people to, a central source of knowledge, rather than telling them to JFGI or RTFM. Linking them to a guide taking them through how to do a has_many :through relationship properly, or even how to create a blog using Rails 2.1. It''s getting late, and I ramble on when it gets late. See you in the morning. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Ryan Bigg <radarlistener-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Books should not be the go-to source for information.I disagree. I find my personal book collection a more valuable resource than any wiki I''ve encountered up to now. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---