I have three years of experience in developing application in PHP. From last one and half year i am working with rails. i found me very comfortable with rails. In PHP we cannot develop app with test cases and test driven. and every PHP guys have his own style to write a code or develop applications. Lets discuss about PHP and Rails. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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On 10 Jul 2008, at 14:37, Purab Kharat wrote:> I have three years of experience in developing application in PHP. > > From last one and half year i am working with rails. > > i found me very comfortable with rails. In PHP we cannot develop app > with test cases and test driven. and every PHP guys have his own style > to write a code or develop applications. > > Lets discuss about PHP and Rails.This horse has been beaten to death already so many times that this is just a pointless discussion. Besides, the MVC frameworks for PHP, whether that''s Symphony or CakePHP or Framework X also have a testing framework built-in and also make you follow a certain convention. Is PHP bad? No. Will I ever use it again? I certainly hope not. I feel more productive and comfortable with Rails and especially Ruby. Best regards Peter De Berdt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Peter De Berdt wrote:> On 10 Jul 2008, at 14:37, Purab Kharat wrote: > >> I have three years of experience in developing application in PHP. >> >> From last one and half year i am working with rails. >> >> i found me very comfortable with rails. In PHP we cannot develop app >> with test cases and test driven. and every PHP guys have his own style >> to write a code or develop applications. >> >> Lets discuss about PHP and Rails. > > This horse has been beaten to death already so many times that this is > just a pointless discussion. > > Besides, the MVC frameworks for PHP, whether that''s Symphony or > CakePHP or Framework X also have a testing framework built-in and also > make you follow a certain convention. > > Is PHP bad? No. Will I ever use it again? I certainly hope not. I feel > more productive and comfortable with Rails and especially Ruby. > > > Best regards > > Peter De BerdtPHP is not bad at all. Ya as we know Cakephp is inspired from rails. but i know we cannot huge traffic web portal. because of speed rails is lacking somewhere that i feel. through ajax and using indexing tool trying to feel or look faster in rails. but php is faster this is true. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Purab Kharat <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> PHP is not bad at all. Ya as we know Cakephp is inspired from rails. > but i know we cannot huge traffic web portal. because of speed rails is > lacking somewhere that i feel. through ajax and using indexing tool > trying to feel or look faster in rails. > but php is faster this is true.There are plenty of huge sites using Rails: http://rails100.pbwiki.com/Compete+Rankings http://rails100.pbwiki.com/Alexa+Rankings And there are very large data sets being processed with Ruby and Rails in genomics research: http://www.vimeo.com/1104164 Perhaps what is lacking is your own understanding of how to run a production Rails app. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Peter De Berdt <peter.de.berdt-LPO8gxj9N8aZIoH1IeqzKA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Is PHP bad? No.http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=why+php+sucks Not to mention the completely ludicrous attempt at a MVC framework by Zend: http://destiney.com/blog/zend-framework-web-2-0-framework-my-ass -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Greg Donald wrote:> Not to mention the completely ludicrous attempt at a MVC framework by Zend: > > http://destiney.com/blog/zend-framework-web-2-0-framework-my-assI prefer to call it the Zend Library because its not really a framework in the sense that Cake or Symfony is. -- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Gents, I did an extensive research on web frameworks last year before starting a project and concluded that the more powerful, productive and fun one was RoR. But we cannot simply dismiss PHP as crap. Nowadays it really sucks, but back in 1998 it was absolutely amazing!!! I implemented a whole e-Learning system based on it and it was such a fantastic tool. I simply would not have made it without PHP. PHP was a pioneer that actually revolutionized web development. Cheers, Sazima On Jul 10, 10:41 am, Eno <symb...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Greg Donald wrote: > > Not to mention the completely ludicrous attempt at a MVC framework by Zend: > > >http://destiney.com/blog/zend-framework-web-2-0-framework-my-ass > > I prefer to call it the Zend Library because its not really a framework in > the sense that Cake or Symfony is. > > ----~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Sazima wrote:> But we cannot simply dismiss PHP as crap. > Nowadays it really sucksDont these two statements kinda contradict each other?> PHP was a pioneer that actually revolutionized web development.A lot of the PHP frameworks like symfony have used a lot of good ideas from RoR and Django. While RoR is very nice (I like it!), I would not automatically dismiss all other frameworks either. Its also a little bit disingenuous to compare RoR (i.e. a framework) with PHP (a language). As in all of these kinds of discussions its possible to write bad code in *any* programming language. -- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
<...>> In PHP we cannot develop app > with test cases and test driven.<...> Uhm, why not? http://www.phpunit.de/ Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:> <...> >> In PHP we cannot develop app >> with test cases and test driven. > <...> > > Uhm, why not? http://www.phpunit.de/Is PHP itself invented via TDD? Also, what''s the relation between PHP and Perl? Is it a fork of Perl? If so, why? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi -- On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Phlip wrote:> > Rimantas Liubertas wrote: >> <...> >>> In PHP we cannot develop app >>> with test cases and test driven. >> <...> >> >> Uhm, why not? http://www.phpunit.de/ > > Is PHP itself invented via TDD?Nothing is invented via TDD. That would be TDI :-) But I don''t know the answer to your question. You could check the code base and see what kind of test suite there is or isn''t.> Also, what''s the relation between PHP and Perl? Is it a fork of > Perl? If so, why?In the spirit of "Link To Something Other Than Wikipedia!" Week[1], http://us3.php.net/history. David [1] http://tinyurl.com/66nu4t -- Rails training from David A. Black and Ruby Power and Light: Intro to Ruby on Rails July 21-24 Edison, NJ Advancing With Rails August 18-21 Edison, NJ See http://www.rubypal.com for details and updates! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, David A. Black wrote:> In the spirit of "Link To Something Other Than Wikipedia!" Week[1], > http://us3.php.net/history.Ruby is very Perl-like in some ways (even the name :-) -- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---