Rails - May 2008 - Job offers/positions and searching for Ruby developers.

I wanted to ask the more senior members of the group whether job
postings and the like are frowned-upon here.  It''s just a little
difficult to find Ruby programmers in a general job searching.

Alternatively, if anyone knows of some good sites to hire full-time on-
site RoR developers, I would appreciate any advice.  Difficulty: small
company, don''t want to pay to trawl CareerBuilder and other such sites.
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On 27 May 2008, at 18:21, Clever Neologism wrote:
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> I wanted to ask the more senior members of the group whether job
> postings and the like are frowned-upon here.  It''s just a little
> difficult to find Ruby programmers in a general job searching.
As far as I''m concerned, go ahead ! (within reason obviously; a  
recruitment agency posting the same message everyday would be over the  
top).
No idea how good it is for that, but workingwithrails allows users to  
flag themselves as ''available for hire''

Fred
>
>
> Alternatively, if anyone knows of some good sites to hire full-time  
> on-
> site RoR developers, I would appreciate any advice.  Difficulty: small
> company, don''t want to pay to trawl CareerBuilder and other such  
> sites.
> >

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http://jobs.rubynow.com/
http://railspays.com/ (UK)
http://jobs.37signals.com/

that''s where I subscribe for job announcements.
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Clever Neologism wrote:
> I wanted to ask the more senior members of the group whether job
> postings and the like are frowned-upon here.  It''s just a little
> difficult to find Ruby programmers in a general job searching.
> 
> Alternatively, if anyone knows of some good sites to hire full-time on-
> site RoR developers, I would appreciate any advice.  Difficulty: small
> company, don''t want to pay to trawl CareerBuilder and other such
sites.
While there are certainly more of us than there were a couple of years 
ago, I think the numbers of Rails developers is still quite small 
compared to something like .Net or Flash or the like.  I think that 
relative "scarcity" coupled with your belief that they need to be 
on-site is the root of your difficulty.

Here''s to hoping that more and more hiring managers come to realize
that
programmers are typically not very good looking human beings; why do you 
want to look at them?  To require them to show up in your building, in 
your city, is not good for them, and not good for you, and not good for 
the pretty people you have sitting around doing marketing and being 
receptionists, etc.  :)

Physical togetherness does not promote better software.  Not long ago I 
was part of a rag-tag group of developers operating well as a team 
despite locations in four different time zones around the planet.

Please do yourself a favor and look into building a geographically 
dispersed but technologically connected group of development talent. 
We''re out here, and we''re easy to find, if you''re not
limiting your
search to one city.

cheers,
jp
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Jeff Pritchard wrote:
> programmers are typically not very good looking human beings; why do you 
> want to look at them?  
Darn, I thought one of the pros of Ruby was better looking programmers.

http://flickr.com/photos/46457493@N00/230535210/

Tor Erik

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On May 27, 8:15 pm, Jeff Pritchard
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> While there are certainly more of us than there were a couple of years
> ago, I think the numbers of Rails developers is still quite small
> compared to something like .Net or Flash or the like.  I think that
> relative "scarcity" coupled with your belief that they need to be
> on-site is the root of your difficulty.
It is not a belief in the ideological sense, it is a necessity of our
development model and our financial means, and the CEO''s wishes.
> Here''s to hoping that more and more hiring managers come to
realize that
> programmers are typically not very good looking human beings; why do you
> want to look at them?
Accountability, personal relationships, and easier flow of ideas.
> Physical togetherness does not promote better software.  Not long ago I
> was part of a rag-tag group of developers operating well as a team
> despite locations in four different time zones around the planet.
Not necessarily.  However, pair programming, on-the-spot code reviews,
and other programming practices I engage in pretty much necessitate
it.  Plus, it''s much easier if you are an actual programmer with no
management above you to handle a single person in real-time than
spending 90% of your time reviewing other''s work and simply acting as
bookkeeper and specification clarifier (which is what I turned into,
except for a critical part of the code no one outside the company was
allowed to touch).  I worked with a 10-person Ukrainian team before,
and the code was OK, but at the end of it, we became dependent on them
because we had no in-house programmers, and bad things ensued.
> Please do yourself a favor and look into building a geographically
> dispersed but technologically connected group of development talent.
> We''re out here, and we''re easy to find, if
you''re not limiting your
> search to one city.
I have nothing against what you are saying.  But when you don''t have
any venture capital (i.e. the company has to *gasp* actually earn what
it pays out every month), it''s tough to spend twice the money on a
contract basis than for an in-house person.
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Clever Neologism wrote:
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> I have nothing against what you are saying.  But when you don''t
have
> any venture capital (i.e. the company has to *gasp* actually earn what
> it pays out every month), it''s tough to spend twice the money on a
> contract basis than for an in-house person.
Ok, fair enough.  Sounds like larger projects than I typically work on 
for one thing.
> Accountability, personal relationships, and easier flow of ideas.
No sale on this, I''m afraid.  It simply isn''t so.

Accountability:  If you have to watch them that close they aren''t worth
hiring in the first place.  No amount of watching will make a weenie 
work hard.  At best you can get them to fake it and blow smoke up your 
backside.

Relationships:  Ten emails a day and an occasional phone call are all 
that''s needed for this.

Easier flow of ideas: see above.

Anyway, I respect your decision to keep it in house, I just hope it gets 
more common for people with medium to small developments to go the 
telecommute route.  If ever there were a time and a technology and an 
endeavor where it makes sense, this is it.

cheers,
jp
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