I''ve been trying to find an answer to this question via Google, but am
having a terrible time coming up with the correct search terms.
I would like to use the routing helpers (person_path, new_person_path,
etc) in files other than controllers or views, specifically helpers
and/or custom files in lib/. Is this possible?
My specific scenario involves a dynamically generated sidebar menu. I
have the menu broken down into array and hash constants, each one
representing a particular submenu the user may or may not have access
to. An example looks like
MY_ACCOUNT_MENU = {
:id => ''my_account_menu'',
:title => ''My Account'',
:children => [
{
:title => ''Home'',
:url => person_path
},
{
:title => ''Profile'',
:url => edit_person_path
},
{
:title => ''Change Password'',
:url => change_password_path
},
{
:title => ''Additional Emails'',
:url => ''/person/additional_emails''
},
{
:title => ''Notification Test'',
:url => ''/person/notification_test''
}
]
}
As you can see here, I''m hoping to use the named routes instead of
hard-coding the paths. But this does not work as I get
undefined method `person_path''
errors. I have tried this in a module in lib/ and in a helper in
helpers/.
Peace,
Phillip
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you would have to declare the resources in routes.rb for a simple REST route for Person model: map.resources :person should be all to it. this would give you the default routes for the REST actions: index persons_path show person_path(id) new new_person_path create persons_path, :method => :post edit edit_person_path(id) update person_path(id), :method => :put destroy person_path(id), :method => :delete change_password_path looks a bit strange to me, since you most likely have no password model -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
oops, it''s the plural for the map.resources, of course: map.resources :persons or, i think rails handles that as map.resources :people (I''m not native nglish speaking, so not 100% sure if that''s persons or people here, but definitely the plural form) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thorsten Mueller wrote:> you would have to declare the resources in routes.rb >Hi Thorsten, I should have stated in my original post that I have them mapped in routes.rb. The route helpers themselves work fine, except where I''m trying to use them. I can understand why they might not work automagically in a required file in lib/ (I''d guess that I''d need to include something for that to work), but I kind of thought that by putting a new helper file in helpers/ I''d have access to all other helpers, whether they be added by rails or me. Peace, Phillip -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
If you add your helper to ApplicationHelper does this give you access to the helpers you''re looking for? best. mike On May 26, 2:18 pm, Phillip Koebbe <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Thorsten Mueller wrote: > > you would have to declare the resources in routes.rb > > Hi Thorsten, > > I should have stated in my original post that I have them mapped in > routes.rb. The route helpers themselves work fine, except where I''m > trying to use them. I can understand why they might not work > automagically in a required file in lib/ (I''d guess that I''d need to > include something for that to work), but I kind of thought that by > putting a new helper file in helpers/ I''d have access to all other > helpers, whether they be added by rails or me. > > Peace, > Phillip > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hardbap wrote:> If you add your helper to ApplicationHelper does this give you access > to the helpers you''re looking for? > > best. > mike > > On May 26, 2:18 pm, Phillip Koebbe <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>Hi Mike, I copied all of the code into application_helper.rb and got the same error. It makes sense (to a degree) that the route helpers are only available by default to controllers and views, but surely there is a simple way to gain access to them elsewhere. Thanks for the input, Phillip -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 26 May 2008, at 19:18, Phillip Koebbe wrote:> > Thorsten Mueller wrote: >> you would have to declare the resources in routes.rb >> > > Hi Thorsten, > > I should have stated in my original post that I have them mapped in > routes.rb. The route helpers themselves work fine, except where I''m > trying to use them. I can understand why they might not work > automagically in a required file in lib/ (I''d guess that I''d need to > include something for that to work), but I kind of thought that by > putting a new helper file in helpers/ I''d have access to all other > helpers, whether they be added by rails or me. >Let me get this straight: you''re trying to use your url helpers outside of the normal request cycle? In that case where you code is doesn''t matter - it''s all about the environment in which it it used. I don''t off the top of my head what bits you need to include/setup in order to get url helpers to work, but action mailer may provide some inspiration, since it has to do that. Fred --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I''ve never had to do this myself but I just quickly looked through my
copy of " The Rails Way" and page 409 has a sample helper that does
exactly this (I''m leaving out most of the code for brevity):
def breadcrumbs
...
html = [link_to(''Home'', home_path)]
...
end
You say that the routes are working fine,are the routes you''re trying
to use defined when you do a rake routes?
On May 26, 2:36 pm, Phillip Koebbe
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:> Hardbap wrote:
> > If you add your helper to ApplicationHelper does this give you access
> > to the helpers you''re looking for?
>
> > best.
> > mike
>
> > On May 26, 2:18 pm, Phillip Koebbe
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I copied all of the code into application_helper.rb and got the same
> error. It makes sense (to a degree) that the route helpers are only
> available by default to controllers and views, but surely there is a
> simple way to gain access to them elsewhere.
>
> Thanks for the input,
> Phillip
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Frederick Cheung wrote:> On 26 May 2008, at 19:18, Phillip Koebbe wrote: >Hi Fred,> Let me get this straight: you''re trying to use your url helpers > outside of the normal request cycle?That''s probably the most succinct way of putting. I created a sidebar menu mechanism that is multi-level and depends on CSS classes and DOM ids to be a certain way. I started by having each sub menu in a partial, but that became quite unwieldy. As I got to looking at it, I thought I could DRY it up by making the generation dynamic. I had used TigraMenu (a JavaScript menu) in a previous project, and I kind of liked the idea of defining the structure of the menu in arrays and hashes, so I decided to go that route and iterate through them to build the menu.> In that case where you code is > doesn''t matter - it''s all about the environment in which it it used. I > don''t off the top of my head what bits you need to include/setup in > order to get url helpers to work, but action mailer may provide some > inspiration, since it has to do that.I''ll start digging and see what I find!> > FredThanks Phillip -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Phillip Koebbe wrote:> to go that route and iterate through them to build the menu. >I forgot to say that it was at this point that I put it into a module in lib/ because it had grown to about 350 LOC for the menu structure definition and the generation code. Phillip -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hardbap wrote:> I''ve never had to do this myself but I just quickly looked through my > copy of " The Rails Way" and page 409 has a sample helper that does > exactly this (I''m leaving out most of the code for brevity): > > def breadcrumbs > ... > > html = [link_to(''Home'', home_path)] > > ... > end > > You say that the routes are working fine,are the routes you''re trying > to use defined when you do a rake routes? >Yes, all the routes I''m trying to use work fine and are listed in rake routes. Is there anything included or required in that file? Thanks, Phillip -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I guess I didn''t truly understand what you are trying to accomplish. I thought you were trying to access rails helper methods from your custom helpers. My bad. Good luck. On May 26, 2:43 pm, Frederick Cheung <frederick.che...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On 26 May 2008, at 19:18, Phillip Koebbe wrote: > > > > > Thorsten Mueller wrote: > >> you would have to declare the resources in routes.rb > > > Hi Thorsten, > > > I should have stated in my original post that I have them mapped in > > routes.rb. The route helpers themselves work fine, except where I''m > > trying to use them. I can understand why they might not work > > automagically in a required file in lib/ (I''d guess that I''d need to > > include something for that to work), but I kind of thought that by > > putting a new helper file in helpers/ I''d have access to all other > > helpers, whether they be added by rails or me. > > Let me get this straight: you''re trying to use your url helpers > outside of the normal request cycle? In that case where you code is > doesn''t matter - it''s all about the environment in which it it used. I > don''t off the top of my head what bits you need to include/setup in > order to get url helpers to work, but action mailer may provide some > inspiration, since it has to do that. > > Fred--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
No there is nothing required or include in this example, but it won''t help you if you are trying to "use your url helpers outside of the normal request cycle" as Fred made clear. That example I cited won''t be of much use in this case. Sorry to have wasted your time with that. On May 26, 2:58 pm, Phillip Koebbe <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hardbap wrote: > > I''ve never had to do this myself but I just quickly looked through my > > copy of " The Rails Way" and page 409 has a sample helper that does > > exactly this (I''m leaving out most of the code for brevity): > > > def breadcrumbs > > ... > > > html = [link_to(''Home'', home_path)] > > > ... > > end > > > You say that the routes are working fine,are the routes you''re trying > > to use defined when you do a rake routes? > > Yes, all the routes I''m trying to use work fine and are listed in rake > routes. Is there anything included or required in that file? > > Thanks, > Phillip > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hardbap wrote:> I guess I didn''t truly understand what you are trying to accomplish. I > thought you were trying to access rails helper methods from your > custom helpers. My bad. > > Good luck. > >You understand correctly. I think it might have to do with scoping or something. I just did a simple test, similar to what you posted. In application_helper.rb, I put def link_to_test link_to ''Person'', person_path end and called it in a view. It worked just like you would expect it to. Then it dawned on me that the difference in my attempted use is that it is outside of a def when I''m defining a constant. In my limited Ruby knowledge, I don''t quite understand this. Phillip -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
So here is some real code:
module ApplicationHelper
def link_to_test
link_to ''Person'', person_path # works here
end # link_to_test
MY_ACCOUNT_MENU = {
:id => ''my_account_menu'',
:title => ''My Account'',
:children => [
{
:title => ''Home'',
:url => person_path # does not work here
}
]
}
# other menu constants defined here
MENUS = {
:sa => SA_MENU,
:my_account => MY_ACCOUNT_MENU,
:player => PLAYER_MENU,
:parent => PARENT_MENU,
:coach => COACH_MENU,
:referee => REFEREE_MENU,
:sport_admin => SPORT_ADMIN_MENU,
:organization_admin => ORGANIZATION_ADMIN_MENU
}
def generate_sidebar_menu(menu_type, sidebar_menu_state)
generate_menu(MENUS[menu_type], sidebar_menu_state)
end # generate
private
def generate_menu(menu, sidebar_menu_state)
# the gory details of generating the HTML
end
end
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On May 26, 1:07 pm, Phillip Koebbe <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hardbap wrote: > > I guess I didn''t truly understand what you are trying to accomplish. I > > thought you were trying to access rails helper methods from your > > custom helpers. My bad. > > > Good luck. > > You understand correctly. I think it might have to do with scoping or > something. I just did a simple test, similar to what you posted. > > In application_helper.rb, I put > > def link_to_test > link_to ''Person'', person_path > end > > and called it in a view. It worked just like you would expect it to. > Then it dawned on me that the difference in my attempted use is that it > is outside of a def when I''m defining a constant. In my limited Ruby > knowledge, I don''t quite understand this.it''s called scope, when you call "person_path" inside another method, the method doesn''t know about it, i.e. class my_class def method_1 end def method_2 #call method_! self.method_1 ##see the self. end end> > Phillip > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Sorry man but there is a problem with your example when I put it to
the test in irb. The name my_class is not a valid Ruby class name and
this example works just fine on 1.8.6.
class MyClass
def method_1
puts "hello"
end
def method_2
method_1 # see no self
end
def method_3
call method_1 # this works too
end
def method_4
self.method_1 # self works also
end
end
c = MyClass.new
c.method_1 #=> "hello"
c.method_2 #=> "hello"
c.method_3 #=> "hello"
On May 26, 11:08 pm, Andres
<pagla...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:> On May 26, 1:07 pm, Phillip Koebbe
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hardbap wrote:
> > > I guess I didn''t truly understand what you are trying to
accomplish. I
> > > thought you were trying to access rails helper methods from your
> > > custom helpers. My bad.
>
> > > Good luck.
>
> > You understand correctly. I think it might have to do with scoping or
> > something. I just did a simple test, similar to what you posted.
>
> > In application_helper.rb, I put
>
> > def link_to_test
> > link_to ''Person'', person_path
> > end
>
> > and called it in a view. It worked just like you would expect it to.
> > Then it dawned on me that the difference in my attempted use is that
it
> > is outside of a def when I''m defining a constant. In my
limited Ruby
> > knowledge, I don''t quite understand this.
>
> it''s called scope,
> when you call "person_path"
> inside another method, the method doesn''t know about it,
> i.e.
> class my_class
> def method_1
> end
>
> def method_2
> #call method_!
> self.method_1 ##see the self.
> end
> end
>
>
>
> > Phillip
> > --
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Phillip:
Because you''re defining MY_ACCOUNT_METHODS as a constant in a module
it will not have access to the template methods.
Named routes methods are injected into ActionController::Base, and
ActionView::Base, and
since the Helper methods are usually called from those contexts, you
can call the named routes
methods from within the helper methods, but not within the helper
declaration itself, if that makes sense.
so if you define a method in your helper:
def some_method
person_path
end
"person_path" doesn''t need to be recognized until it is
called by the
ActionView or ActionController class that has included this helper
module. That
ActionView or ActionController class will have also included the named
routes methods so, it will know what it means.
So everything works as expected.
But if you call it from within the actual definition of the module, as
you have done here, nobody has told it yet about the named routes, so
it freezes up.
You can solve the problem in several ways. One way is to instead of
declaring the :url for each menu in your constant, just declare a
symbol for the
method to call later:
MY_ACCOUNT_MENU = {
:id => ''my_account_menu'',
:title => ''My Account'',
:children => [
{
:title => ''Home'',
:url_method => :person_path
}
]
}
Then in generate_menu, to get the url, call
self.send(menu[:url_method])
And in that case "self" will be the ActionView or ActionController
object doing the calling, and it will know what "person_path" means.
Hope that helps.
On May 26, 10:08 pm, Andres
<pagla...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:> On May 26, 1:07 pm, Phillip Koebbe
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hardbap wrote:
> > > I guess I didn''t truly understand what you are trying to
accomplish. I
> > > thought you were trying to access rails helper methods from your
> > > custom helpers. My bad.
>
> > > Good luck.
>
> > You understand correctly. I think it might have to do with scoping or
> > something. I just did a simple test, similar to what you posted.
>
> > In application_helper.rb, I put
>
> > def link_to_test
> > link_to ''Person'', person_path
> > end
>
> > and called it in a view. It worked just like you would expect it to.
> > Then it dawned on me that the difference in my attempted use is that
it
> > is outside of a def when I''m defining a constant. In my
limited Ruby
> > knowledge, I don''t quite understand this.
>
> it''s called scope,
> when you call "person_path"
> inside another method, the method doesn''t know about it,
> i.e.
> class my_class
> def method_1
> end
>
> def method_2
> #call method_!
> self.method_1 ##see the self.
> end
> end
>
>
>
> > Phillip
> > --
> > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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JDevine wrote:> You can solve the problem in several ways. One way is to instead of > declaring the :url for each menu in your constant, just declare a > symbol for the > method to call later: > > MY_ACCOUNT_MENU = { > :id => ''my_account_menu'', > :title => ''My Account'', > :children => [ > { > :title => ''Home'', > :url_method => :person_path > } > ] > } > > Then in generate_menu, to get the url, call > self.send(menu[:url_method]) > > And in that case "self" will be the ActionView or ActionController > object doing the calling, and it will know what "person_path" means. > > Hope that helps.JDevine, Thanks for the insight. As I mentioned earlier, I thought it had to do with scoping. I guess I should have injected the word "magic" in my statement about Ruby knowledge: "In my limited knowledge of Ruby magic, I don''t quite understand this." So I took your idea and extended it just a little. if menu.has_key?(:url) url = menu[:url].class == String ? menu[:url] : self.send(menu[:url]) output += "<a href=\"#{url}\">" end I can mix the urls how I need to, either with the symbol that gets turned into a route helper or with a hard-coded string (for things that I don''t have a named route for). I haven''t thought it through completely yet, but I believe this approach will work fine for my whole menu structure. All of the resources I''ll be linking on the menu will be singletons and I''ll have a session variable storing an id, so I won''t have to worry about ever having to pass a parameter to the routing helpers. Cool. This was so much easier than trying to figure out ActionMailer. I started looking in there but my head started to spin. I was going to have to dig pretty deep before I could starting putting the pieces together. Much appreciation to all who contributed to this thread. Peace, Phillip -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---