As I''m a dummy, I got this book out of the library as a first step to learning ROR. After I followed the instructions for installing the interpreter, then rails, then java I went to install the authors'' custom version of radrails. I was about 10% through the download when I read on the authors blog <http://www.jroller.com/bburd/entry/ error_another_migration_is_already> that ROR for dummies was written for Rails 1X & that I should uninstall V2 & downgrade to 1X, using that to follow the book & then upgrade when I''m finished the book. Frankly, I think this could be BS. Why doesn''t the author just release an up-to-date version of ROR for dummies? Am I right or wrong? Anyway, I''ve abandoned the install of the ''custom'' version of radrails & am downloading the Community Edition of Aptana Studio (at least that''s what I think I''m downloading). After I''ve downloading & installed the Community Edition of Aptana Studio (I''m currently 26% through the 100meg download) I''m a bit unsure of my next move. Should I proceed per the book & download MySQL database & administrator? Can''t I just use MS Office Access 2007, which is installed on my PC but which I''ve never even started, the thoughts of the community would be greatly appreciated. Also, can anyone point me to a good online source of information re: ROR for absolute idiot''s? Tanku. Steve. <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/? action=view¤t=a_SHAMROCK.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http:// i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/a_SHAMROCK.gif" border="0" alt="Shamrock"></a> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 25 May 2008, at 10:31, Young Ben wrote:> > As I''m a dummy, I got this book out of the library as a first step to > learning ROR. After I followed the instructions for installing the > interpreter, then rails, then java I went to install the authors'' > custom version of radrails. I was about 10% through the download when > I read on the authors blog <http://www.jroller.com/bburd/entry/ > error_another_migration_is_already> that ROR for dummies was written > for Rails 1X & that I should uninstall V2 & downgrade to 1X, using > that to follow the book & then upgrade when I''m finished the book. > Frankly, I think this could be BS. Why doesn''t the author just release > an up-to-date version of ROR for dummies? Am I right or wrong?Because it''s a non trivial amount of work (especially as one of the things that changed the most in rails 2 is scaffolding which books and tutorials tended to use a lot.> Anyway, > I''ve abandoned the install of the ''custom'' version of radrails & am > downloading the Community Edition of Aptana Studio (at least that''s > what I think I''m downloading). After I''ve downloading & installed the > Community Edition of Aptana Studio (I''m currently 26% through the > 100meg download) I''m a bit unsure of my next move. Should I proceed > per the book & download MySQL database & administrator? Can''t I just > use MS Office Access 2007, which is installed on my PC but which I''ve > never even started, the thoughts of the community would be greatly > appreciated.Even if rails could use access, you''d definitely be off the beaten path, which is not the best place to be if you''re starting up. With rails 2.x you might find that the default of sqlite is handier as there is less setp and messing around to do. Fred> > Also, can anyone point me to a good online source of information re: > ROR for absolute idiot''s? Tanku. Steve. > > <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/? > action=view¤t=a_SHAMROCK.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http:// > i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/a_SHAMROCK.gif" border="0" > alt="Shamrock"></a> > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Welcome Ben, Rails has a learning curb (it''s steeper than a curve). depending on your past experience, it may take a while to figure it all out. I have been pounding hell out of rails for a year now and I am just starting to get it, but I had to start a scratch and learn css and JS etc first. One of the biggest problems with Rails is that it is evolving so fast that books are not keeping up. Most authors are scrambling to get out a 2.0 rails book and 2.1 release candidate 1 is available today. Your best bet is online, but that too is frustrating because most of what is out there is also old. Take everything you read with a grain of salt in that it might be outdated. I would take your Rails for Dummies book back to the library and look online for 2.0.2 Rails tutorials My first Rails book was "Beginning Ruby on Rails" and It was a very good first book. Most of what is in there will not be changed by new versions of Rails. http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/productCd-0470069155.html Next read Agile web Development with Rails http://www.pragprog.com/titles/rails2/agile-web-development-with-rails If you bounce around a bit, the older version is free online. Do the sample ONE TIME and then move on. I did it like 5 times, but the underlying magic of Rails is not really explained (and is beyond the scope of the book) so doing the sample a lot just makes you able to do the sample faster. also you might try Peepcode, Rails from scratch one and two, which might be a good start for today. Buy at least the $40 pack as you will be addicted http://peepcode.com/ That will get you started. Here are free railscasts, but they are for later http://railscasts.com/episodes;archive On May 25, 2:31 am, Young Ben <nzcall...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> As I''m a dummy, I got this book out of the library as a first step to > learning ROR. After I followed the instructions for installing the > interpreter, then rails, then java I went to install the authors'' > custom version of radrails. I was about 10% through the download when > I read on the authors blog <http://www.jroller.com/bburd/entry/ > error_another_migration_is_already> that ROR for dummies was written > for Rails 1X & that I should uninstall V2 & downgrade to 1X, using > that to follow the book & then upgrade when I''m finished the book. > Frankly, I think this could be BS. Why doesn''t the author just release > an up-to-date version of ROR for dummies? Am I right or wrong? Anyway, > I''ve abandoned the install of the ''custom'' version of radrails & am > downloading the Community Edition of Aptana Studio (at least that''s > what I think I''m downloading). After I''ve downloading & installed the > Community Edition of Aptana Studio (I''m currently 26% through the > 100meg download) I''m a bit unsure of my next move. Should I proceed > per the book & download MySQL database & administrator? Can''t I just > use MS Office Access 2007, which is installed on my PC but which I''ve > never even started, the thoughts of the community would be greatly > appreciated. > Also, can anyone point me to a good online source of information re: > ROR for absolute idiot''s? Tanku. Steve. > > <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/? > action=view¤t=a_SHAMROCK.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http:// > i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/a_SHAMROCK.gif" border="0" > alt="Shamrock"></a>--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
This looks up to date (new version May 2008) http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/ and it is free Good luck On May 25, 2:31 am, Young Ben <nzcall...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> As I''m a dummy, I got this book out of the library as a first step to > learning ROR. After I followed the instructions for installing the > interpreter, then rails, then java I went to install the authors'' > custom version of radrails. I was about 10% through the download when > I read on the authors blog <http://www.jroller.com/bburd/entry/ > error_another_migration_is_already> that ROR for dummies was written > for Rails 1X & that I should uninstall V2 & downgrade to 1X, using > that to follow the book & then upgrade when I''m finished the book. > Frankly, I think this could be BS. Why doesn''t the author just release > an up-to-date version of ROR for dummies? Am I right or wrong? Anyway, > I''ve abandoned the install of the ''custom'' version of radrails & am > downloading the Community Edition of Aptana Studio (at least that''s > what I think I''m downloading). After I''ve downloading & installed the > Community Edition of Aptana Studio (I''m currently 26% through the > 100meg download) I''m a bit unsure of my next move. Should I proceed > per the book & download MySQL database & administrator? Can''t I just > use MS Office Access 2007, which is installed on my PC but which I''ve > never even started, the thoughts of the community would be greatly > appreciated. > Also, can anyone point me to a good online source of information re: > ROR for absolute idiot''s? Tanku. Steve. > > <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/? > action=view¤t=a_SHAMROCK.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http:// > i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/a_SHAMROCK.gif" border="0" > alt="Shamrock"></a>--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
that book is for rails 1.2 not very up to date. also only 4 chapters seem to be free. AWDOR is still a very good book even if it''s a bit out of date. Sure, scaffolding has changed, routing is improved, but you can still get plenty of starting tips about activerecord and and i still use it to look up stuff. If you just skip the bit where they do the auto-scaffold (useless in the long run anyway) you can still do fine with AWD. Read lots, follow rails blogs, and you''ll quickly pick it up.... www.railsenvy.com http://ryandaigle.com/ http://blog.codefront.net/2008/05/18/living-on-the-edge-of-rails-21/ http://www.therailsway.com/ www.gotapi.com/rubyrails is also a blinder once you know roughtly what you''re looking for in the Ruby/Rails APIs MS Access should not ever be considered for web db it just can''t cut it. Rails 2x uses SQLite by default so no separate DB install is needed for getting started (though i''d recommned MySQL or Postgres) Enjoy rails! On May 25, 1:04 pm, Ruby Freak <twscann...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> This looks up to date (new version May 2008)http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/ > > and it is free > > Good luck > > On May 25, 2:31 am, Young Ben <nzcall...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > As I''m a dummy, I got this book out of the library as a first step to > > learning ROR. After I followed the instructions for installing the > > interpreter, then rails, then java I went to install the authors'' > > custom version of radrails. I was about 10% through the download when > > I read on the authors blog <http://www.jroller.com/bburd/entry/ > > error_another_migration_is_already> that ROR for dummies was written > > for Rails 1X & that I should uninstall V2 & downgrade to 1X, using > > that to follow the book & then upgrade when I''m finished the book. > > Frankly, I think this could be BS. Why doesn''t the author just release > > an up-to-date version of ROR for dummies? Am I right or wrong? Anyway, > > I''ve abandoned the install of the ''custom'' version of radrails & am > > downloading the Community Edition of Aptana Studio (at least that''s > > what I think I''m downloading). After I''ve downloading & installed the > > Community Edition of Aptana Studio (I''m currently 26% through the > > 100meg download) I''m a bit unsure of my next move. Should I proceed > > per the book & download MySQL database & administrator? Can''t I just > > use MS Office Access 2007, which is installed on my PC but which I''ve > > never even started, the thoughts of the community would be greatly > > appreciated. > > Also, can anyone point me to a good online source of information re: > > ROR for absolute idiot''s? Tanku. Steve. > > > <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/? > > action=view¤t=a_SHAMROCK.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http:// > > i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/a_SHAMROCK.gif" border="0" > > alt="Shamrock"></a>--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
that book is for rails 1.2 not very up to date. also only 4 chapters seem to be free. AWDOR is still a very good book even if it''s a bit out of date. Sure, scaffolding has changed, routing is improved, but you can still get plenty of starting tips about activerecord and and i still use it to look up stuff. If you just skip the bit where they do the auto-scaffold (useless in the long run anyway) you can still do fine with AWD. Read lots, follow rails blogs, and you''ll quickly pick it up.... www.railsenvy.com http://ryandaigle.com/ http://blog.codefront.net/2008/05/18/living-on-the-edge-of-rails-21/ http://www.therailsway.com/ www.gotapi.com/rubyrails is also a blinder once you know roughtly what you''re looking for in the Ruby/Rails APIs MS Access should not ever be considered for web db it just can''t cut it. Rails 2x uses SQLite by default so no separate DB install is needed for getting started (though i''d recommned MySQL or Postgres) Enjoy rails! On May 25, 1:04 pm, Ruby Freak <twscann...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> This looks up to date (new version May 2008)http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/ > > and it is free > > Good luck > > On May 25, 2:31 am, Young Ben <nzcall...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > As I''m a dummy, I got this book out of the library as a first step to > > learning ROR. After I followed the instructions for installing the > > interpreter, then rails, then java I went to install the authors'' > > custom version of radrails. I was about 10% through the download when > > I read on the authors blog <http://www.jroller.com/bburd/entry/ > > error_another_migration_is_already> that ROR for dummies was written > > for Rails 1X & that I should uninstall V2 & downgrade to 1X, using > > that to follow the book & then upgrade when I''m finished the book. > > Frankly, I think this could be BS. Why doesn''t the author just release > > an up-to-date version of ROR for dummies? Am I right or wrong? Anyway, > > I''ve abandoned the install of the ''custom'' version of radrails & am > > downloading the Community Edition of Aptana Studio (at least that''s > > what I think I''m downloading). After I''ve downloading & installed the > > Community Edition of Aptana Studio (I''m currently 26% through the > > 100meg download) I''m a bit unsure of my next move. Should I proceed > > per the book & download MySQL database & administrator? Can''t I just > > use MS Office Access 2007, which is installed on my PC but which I''ve > > never even started, the thoughts of the community would be greatly > > appreciated. > > Also, can anyone point me to a good online source of information re: > > ROR for absolute idiot''s? Tanku. Steve. > > > <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/? > > action=view¤t=a_SHAMROCK.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http:// > > i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/nzcalling/a_SHAMROCK.gif" border="0" > > alt="Shamrock"></a>--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> AWDOR is still a very good book even if it''s a bit out of date.Surely you don''t mean the 3rd edition, popped recently, is _already_ out of date?? Sorry. I''ll try not to do it again. (-: --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
WildTangent, You are correct, I thought the whole thing was free. (he says that, damn false advertising) He does have a good online tutorial here. http://www.sitepoint.com/article/learn-ruby-on-rails lotsa stuff on the web. On May 25, 7:20 am, "Phlip" <phlip2...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > AWDOR is still a very good book even if it''s a bit out of date. > > Surely you don''t mean the 3rd edition, popped recently, is _already_ out of > date?? > > Sorry. I''ll try not to do it again. > > (-:--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks everyone, I will soldier on & check back in when I get stuck. Steve. On May 26, 2:36 am, Ruby Freak <twscann...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> WildTangent, > You are correct, I thought the whole thing was free. (he says that, > damn false advertising) > He does have a good online tutorial here. > > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/learn-ruby-on-rails > > lotsa stuff on the web. > > On May 25, 7:20 am, "Phlip" <phlip2...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > AWDOR is still a very good book even if it''s a bit out of date. > > > Surely you don''t mean the 3rd edition, popped recently, is _already_ out of > > date?? > > > Sorry. I''ll try not to do it again. > > > (-:- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text ---~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---