I''ve done some Google searches and searched the mailing list archive without much success. I''m working on a rails app that will be a simple story tracking tool for Scrum/Agile projects. When it''s functional, I''d like to make it available as a live app on my site, but I''d also like to make it available as a distribution so that someone could grab a self-contained package and install it locally. Is there a good way to create a gem, say, that could handle this? I''ve been looking for tutorials or articles about creating gems, but I''m still a bit lost on how that might translate into packaging a rails app. Or is there some other good way distribute? Thanks for any insights. Troy --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Check this out: http://ajaxian.com/archives/slingshot-desktop-apps-via-rails Ability of Rails app that can run locally and synchronize with the server is very powerful. On Dec 30, 2007 10:57 AM, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''ve done some Google searches and searched the mailing list archive > without much success. >-- http://www.rubyplus.org/ Free Ruby and Rails Screencasts --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I imagine you are having trouble finding information about that. Rails is a web application framework. It is not intended to be used to build desktop applications. If you''re talking about distributing the application to individuals that are unfamiliar with Ruby on Rails, then I just don''t know of anything existing that would make this practical. You would need to develop your own "runtime" environment installer to make sure that all the necessary pieces required to run the application get installed on the user''s computer. Ruby, all the gems you might have used in your application, the Rails application itself. Then you would need to create a script, or some other means, to allow the user to start Mongrel server and take them to the URL where the program runs. Running Rails as a desktop application is simply outside the scope of Rails, which means that you''re probably on your own in finding a solution. On Dec 30, 1:57 pm, "Troy Denkinger" <tdenkin...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''ve done some Google searches and searched the mailing list archive > without much success. > > I''m working on a rails app that will be a simple story tracking tool > for Scrum/Agile projects. When it''s functional, I''d like to make it > available as a live app on my site, but I''d also like to make it > available as a distribution so that someone could grab a > self-contained package and install it locally. > > Is there a good way to create a gem, say, that could handle this? > I''ve been looking for tutorials or articles about creating gems, but > I''m still a bit lost on how that might translate into packaging a > rails app. Or is there some other good way distribute? > > Thanks for any insights. > > Troy--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 30, 2007 11:54 AM, Robert Walker <rwalker348-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I imagine you are having trouble finding information about that. Rails > is a web application framework. It is not intended to be used to build > desktop applications. If you''re talking about distributing theThanks for the reply, Robert. Right, I should have explained. This isn''t meant as a desktop app, but anyone who wanted to actually use the application would probably like to run it on a local server rather than as a hosted application since it tends to contain potentially sensitive information about software features. So, what I''m looking for is an easy way to package up the important parts of the rails app so that someone who has rails running could easily deploy my app to their environment. Perhaps just zipping it up would be enough, but I was hoping for something more, uh, rubyish or railsy. Thanks again, Troy --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
As far as I know, you can just create a tarball/zip file. I believe this is what the guys who make Warehouse (http://www.warehouseapp.com/) do. --Jeremy On Dec 30, 2007 3:44 PM, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > On Dec 30, 2007 11:54 AM, Robert Walker <rwalker348-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > I imagine you are having trouble finding information about that. Rails > > is a web application framework. It is not intended to be used to build > > desktop applications. If you''re talking about distributing the > > Thanks for the reply, Robert. Right, I should have explained. This > isn''t meant as a desktop app, but anyone who wanted to actually use > the application would probably like to run it on a local server rather > than as a hosted application since it tends to contain potentially > sensitive information about software features. > > So, what I''m looking for is an easy way to package up the important > parts of the rails app so that someone who has rails running could > easily deploy my app to their environment. Perhaps just zipping it up > would be enough, but I was hoping for something more, uh, rubyish or > railsy. > > Thanks again, > > > Troy > > > >-- http://www.jeremymcanally.com/ My books: Ruby in Practice http://www.manning.com/mcanally/ My free Ruby e-book http://www.humblelittlerubybook.com/ My blogs: http://www.mrneighborly.com/ http://www.rubyinpractice.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Zip it, or provide an SVN repository so someone can check it out. Provide a rake task to boostrap the database to make setup a snap :) On Dec 30, 2007 4:01 PM, Jeremy McAnally <jeremymcanally-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > As far as I know, you can just create a tarball/zip file. I believe > this is what the guys who make Warehouse > (http://www.warehouseapp.com/) do. > > --Jeremy > > On Dec 30, 2007 3:44 PM, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > On Dec 30, 2007 11:54 AM, Robert Walker <rwalker348-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > I imagine you are having trouble finding information about that. Rails > > > is a web application framework. It is not intended to be used to build > > > desktop applications. If you''re talking about distributing the > > > > Thanks for the reply, Robert. Right, I should have explained. This > > isn''t meant as a desktop app, but anyone who wanted to actually use > > the application would probably like to run it on a local server rather > > than as a hosted application since it tends to contain potentially > > sensitive information about software features. > > > > So, what I''m looking for is an easy way to package up the important > > parts of the rails app so that someone who has rails running could > > easily deploy my app to their environment. Perhaps just zipping it up > > would be enough, but I was hoping for something more, uh, rubyish or > > railsy. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Troy > > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.jeremymcanally.com/ > > My books: > Ruby in Practice > http://www.manning.com/mcanally/ > > My free Ruby e-book > http://www.humblelittlerubybook.com/ > > My blogs: > http://www.mrneighborly.com/ > http://www.rubyinpractice.com/ > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Create a plugin: - http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/Plugins - http://nubyonrails.com/articles/2006/05/04/the-complete-guide-to-rails-plugins-part-i - http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=682 Cheers, Sazima On Dec 31, 1:42 am, "Brian Hogan" <bpho...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Zip it, or provide an SVN repository so someone can check it out. > > Provide a rake task to boostrap the database to make setup a snap :) > > On Dec 30, 2007 4:01 PM, Jeremy McAnally <jeremymcana...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > As far as I know, you can just create a tarball/zip file. I believe > > this is what the guys who make Warehouse > > (http://www.warehouseapp.com/) do. > > > --Jeremy > > > On Dec 30, 2007 3:44 PM, Troy Denkinger <tdenkin...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > On Dec 30, 2007 11:54 AM, Robert Walker <rwalker...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > I imagine you are having trouble finding information about that. Rails > > > > is a web application framework. It is not intended to be used to build > > > > desktop applications. If you''re talking about distributing the > > > > Thanks for the reply, Robert. Right, I should have explained. This > > > isn''t meant as a desktop app, but anyone who wanted to actually use > > > the application would probably like to run it on a local server rather > > > than as a hosted application since it tends to contain potentially > > > sensitive information about software features. > > > > So, what I''m looking for is an easy way to package up the important > > > parts of the rails app so that someone who has rails running could > > > easily deploy my app to their environment. Perhaps just zipping it up > > > would be enough, but I was hoping for something more, uh, rubyish or > > > railsy. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Troy > > > -- > >http://www.jeremymcanally.com/ > > > My books: > > Ruby in Practice > >http://www.manning.com/mcanally/ > > > My free Ruby e-book > >http://www.humblelittlerubybook.com/ > > > My blogs: > >http://www.mrneighborly.com/ > >http://www.rubyinpractice.com/--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 30, 2007 2:01 PM, Jeremy McAnally <jeremymcanally-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > As far as I know, you can just create a tarball/zip file. I believe > this is what the guys who make Warehouse > (http://www.warehouseapp.com/) do. > > --JeremyIf you want to keep it easy to install, look at distributing it with Jumpbox. Distributing apps with svn or tarballs is easy, but good luck helping everyone install it :) -- Rick Olson http://lighthouseapp.com http://weblog.techno-weenie.net http://mephistoblog.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Gems are an awesome way to go too. Suprised nobody has mentioned it yet. With Gems on Rails, you get some pre-load functionality options as well. On 12/31/07, Rick Olson <technoweenie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On Dec 30, 2007 2:01 PM, Jeremy McAnally <jeremymcanally-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > As far as I know, you can just create a tarball/zip file. I believe > > this is what the guys who make Warehouse > > (http://www.warehouseapp.com/) do. > > > > --Jeremy > > If you want to keep it easy to install, look at distributing it with > Jumpbox. Distributing apps with svn or tarballs is easy, but good > luck helping everyone install it :) > > -- > Rick Olson > http://lighthouseapp.com > http://weblog.techno-weenie.net > http://mephistoblog.com > > > >-- Nathaniel Steven Henry Brown 604-724-6624 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Jan 1, 4:02 am, "Nathaniel Brown" <n...-wgYSSEAWXinQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Gems are an awesome way to go too. Suprised nobody has mentioned it yet. > > With Gems on Rails, you get some pre-load functionality options as well. > > On 12/31/07, Rick Olson <technowee...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2007 2:01 PM, Jeremy McAnally <jeremymcana...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > As far as I know, you can just create a tarball/zip file. I believe > > > this is what the guys who make Warehouse > > > (http://www.warehouseapp.com/) do. > > > > --Jeremy > > > If you want to keep it easy to install, look at distributing it with > > Jumpbox. Distributing apps with svn or tarballs is easy, but good > > luck helping everyone install it :) >How feasible is it to write a ruby on rails app. and distribute it commercially, similar to many PHP applications, where you unzip, and click a link in the browser to install. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> > How feasible is it to write a ruby on rails app. and distribute it > commercially, similar to many PHP applications, where you unzip, and > click a link in the browser to install.Nearly impossible, unfortunately. Running a rails app requires more process management. -- Rick Olson http://lighthouseapp.com http://weblog.techno-weenie.net http://mephistoblog.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Exactly. To do any real configuration changes you''d need to restart the app, thus making the convenience of doing everything in the browser useless. :P --Jeremy On Jan 1, 2008 3:29 PM, Rick Olson <technoweenie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > > How feasible is it to write a ruby on rails app. and distribute it > > commercially, similar to many PHP applications, where you unzip, and > > click a link in the browser to install. > > Nearly impossible, unfortunately. Running a rails app requires more > process management. > > -- > Rick Olson > http://lighthouseapp.com > http://weblog.techno-weenie.net > http://mephistoblog.com > > > > >-- http://www.jeremymcanally.com/ My books: Ruby in Practice http://www.manning.com/mcanally/ My free Ruby e-book http://www.humblelittlerubybook.com/ My blogs: http://www.mrneighborly.com/ http://www.rubyinpractice.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks...I''ve got some applications I''ve thought about doing in Rails, but this seems to be my biggest challenge...I''ve seen a lot of info about the framework and ruby, but as a viable commercial application (one that is distributed)...I have not seen too much info. Seems most people use it for their own needs -- one application only (aside from plugins, but I don''t think the entire app would works as a plugin). My second plan (if there is no easy-to-install distributing method for rails) is to sell the application to clients with a hosting and maintenance plan as well...and just take care of the management, updates, hosting, etc. myself for each customer. This leaves me at the point of figuring out how to distribute/rsync/ push -- whatever you want to call it, to multiple web sites, that do not use same data, or could even have customizations on a per-client basis to the main trunk. If anyone knows of any rails-specific books covering this SCM scenario, I''d be more than interested in knowing about them. On Jan 1, 1:08 pm, "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcana...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Exactly. To do any real configuration changes you''d need to restart > the app, thus making the convenience of doing everything in the > browser useless. :P > > --Jeremy > > On Jan 1, 2008 3:29 PM, Rick Olson <technowee...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > How feasible is it to write a ruby on rails app. and distribute it > > > commercially, similar to many PHP applications, where you unzip, and > > > click a link in the browser to install. > > > Nearly impossible, unfortunately. Running a rails app requires more > > process management. > > > -- > > Rick Olson > >http://lighthouseapp.com > >http://weblog.techno-weenie.net > >http://mephistoblog.com > > --http://www.jeremymcanally.com/ > > My books: > Ruby in Practicehttp://www.manning.com/mcanally/ > > My free Ruby e-bookhttp://www.humblelittlerubybook.com/ > > My blogs:http://www.mrneighborly.com/http://www.rubyinpractice.com/--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Check out Mingle. Their install process is pretty awesome, and the product aint half bad either. On 1/1/08, chovy <ettinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > > On Jan 1, 4:02 am, "Nathaniel Brown" <n...-wgYSSEAWXinQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Gems are an awesome way to go too. Suprised nobody has mentioned it yet. > > > > With Gems on Rails, you get some pre-load functionality options as well. > > > > On 12/31/07, Rick Olson <technowee...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2007 2:01 PM, Jeremy McAnally <jeremymcana...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > > > > > As far as I know, you can just create a tarball/zip file. I believe > > > > this is what the guys who make Warehouse > > > > (http://www.warehouseapp.com/) do. > > > > > > --Jeremy > > > > > If you want to keep it easy to install, look at distributing it with > > > Jumpbox. Distributing apps with svn or tarballs is easy, but good > > > luck helping everyone install it :) > > > > > How feasible is it to write a ruby on rails app. and distribute it > commercially, similar to many PHP applications, where you unzip, and > click a link in the browser to install. > > >-- Nathaniel Steven Henry Brown 604-724-6624 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 2 Jan 2008, at 10:25, Nathaniel Brown wrote:> Check out Mingle. Their install process is pretty awesome, and the > product aint half bad either. >One should point out that the secret sauce here is jruby, since (in super condensed form) you get to lean on java deployment options Fred> On 1/1/08, chovy < ettinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Jan 1, 4:02 am, "Nathaniel Brown" < n...-wgYSSEAWXinQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Gems are an awesome way to go too. Suprised nobody has mentioned > it yet. > > > > With Gems on Rails, you get some pre-load functionality options as > well. > > > > On 12/31/07, Rick Olson <technowee...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2007 2:01 PM, Jeremy McAnally < > jeremymcana...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > As far as I know, you can just create a tarball/zip file. I > believe > > > > this is what the guys who make Warehouse > > > > (http://www.warehouseapp.com/) do. > > > > > > --Jeremy > > > > > If you want to keep it easy to install, look at distributing it > with > > > Jumpbox. Distributing apps with svn or tarballs is easy, but good > > > luck helping everyone install it :) > > > > > How feasible is it to write a ruby on rails app. and distribute it > commercially, similar to many PHP applications, where you unzip, and > click a link in the browser to install. > > > > > > -- > Nathaniel Steven Henry Brown > 604-724-6624 > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---