Rails - Dec 2007 - Lost on what's next..

I''ve finished reading the Agile Web Development with Rails and the
Intro
to Ruby books.

I followed the examples, learned how to create the basics but..

I''m not sure what to do next. The books only cover the bare basics, and
all the online tutorials are clones of those tutorials. In fact, they
all work on the same logic: Create a database, generate a scaffold..
LOOK AT RAILS! IT''S AWESOME! while not actually showing you how to
-properly- use the Rails framework.

I''m an old-school PHP Developer. I need to do something, I find a
function in the PHP Manual, read about it, use it.

I can''t find similar-quality documentation on Ruby or RoR methods.

The tutorials never, EVER cover the WHY or the ##Insert detailed
description of function/method here w/ comments/examples##.

I''ve tried finding any opensource or public Rails-based apps to tear
apart and learn from.. the two I''ve found are far to complicated to
learn anything from (Tracks and the Rails cart).

I''m looking for something that uses basic DB functionality and is
decently comment ed or, at least, easily understood. Beyond that.. is
there a good place to find php-quality commented documentation of
methods/functions/etc?
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I would take a look at Ruby for Rails by David A. Black.

He lays out in detail how to build an online music store. There is
also downloadable code that allows one to see exactly how the store
app works. Worth a look.

On Dec 12, 9:54 pm, "Geoff W."
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wrote:
> I''ve finished reading the Agile Web Development with Rails and the
Intro
> to Ruby books.
>
> I followed the examples, learned how to create the basics but..
>
> I''m not sure what to do next. The books only cover the bare
basics, and
> all the online tutorials are clones of those tutorials. In fact, they
> all work on the same logic: Create a database, generate a scaffold..
> LOOK AT RAILS! IT''S AWESOME! while not actually showing you how to
> -properly- use the Rails framework.
>
> I''m an old-school PHP Developer. I need to do something, I find a
> function in the PHP Manual, read about it, use it.
>
> I can''t find similar-quality documentation on Ruby or RoR methods.
>
> The tutorials never, EVER cover the WHY or the ##Insert detailed
> description of function/method here w/ comments/examples##.
>
> I''ve tried finding any opensource or public Rails-based apps to
tear
> apart and learn from.. the two I''ve found are far to complicated
to
> learn anything from (Tracks and the Rails cart).
>
> I''m looking for something that uses basic DB functionality and is
> decently comment ed or, at least, easily understood. Beyond that.. is
> there a good place to find php-quality commented documentation of
> methods/functions/etc?
> --
> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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I too came from PHP (but I''m not an old school php dev, just some
amateur dev) and I did not had trouble starting to develop my first
app with rails since I read AWDWR (and I haven''t even finished the
book yet). I have to check the API very often and I get lost on some
ruby syntaxes still, but I am finding my way with no problems. All I
use is the API, Ruby Docs, this mail list and the book. Maybe a google
search if I don''t find anything in one of those.

Maybe what you need is just a simple project and the will to start
working hands on? Remember, Rails is Agile Development...

About detailed descriptions of functions/methods, Rails API and
RubyDocs sure will help you on that. The way you say it seems like you
didn''t "met" them yet.

On Dec 12, 7:54 pm, "Geoff W."
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wrote:
> I''ve finished reading the Agile Web Development with Rails and the
Intro
> to Ruby books.
>
> I followed the examples, learned how to create the basics but..
>
> I''m not sure what to do next. The books only cover the bare
basics, and
> all the online tutorials are clones of those tutorials. In fact, they
> all work on the same logic: Create a database, generate a scaffold..
> LOOK AT RAILS! IT''S AWESOME! while not actually showing you how to
> -properly- use the Rails framework.
>
> I''m an old-school PHP Developer. I need to do something, I find a
> function in the PHP Manual, read about it, use it.
>
> I can''t find similar-quality documentation on Ruby or RoR methods.
>
> The tutorials never, EVER cover the WHY or the ##Insert detailed
> description of function/method here w/ comments/examples##.
>
> I''ve tried finding any opensource or public Rails-based apps to
tear
> apart and learn from.. the two I''ve found are far to complicated
to
> learn anything from (Tracks and the Rails cart).
>
> I''m looking for something that uses basic DB functionality and is
> decently comment ed or, at least, easily understood. Beyond that.. is
> there a good place to find php-quality commented documentation of
> methods/functions/etc?
> --
> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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The api can be found here:

http://api.rubyonrails.org

-Bill

Geoff W. wrote:
> I''ve finished reading the Agile Web Development with Rails and the
Intro
> to Ruby books.
>
> I followed the examples, learned how to create the basics but..
>
> I''m not sure what to do next. The books only cover the bare
basics, and
> all the online tutorials are clones of those tutorials. In fact, they
> all work on the same logic: Create a database, generate a scaffold..
> LOOK AT RAILS! IT''S AWESOME! while not actually showing you how to
> -properly- use the Rails framework.
>
> I''m an old-school PHP Developer. I need to do something, I find a
> function in the PHP Manual, read about it, use it.
>
> I can''t find similar-quality documentation on Ruby or RoR methods.
>
> The tutorials never, EVER cover the WHY or the ##Insert detailed
> description of function/method here w/ comments/examples##.
>
> I''ve tried finding any opensource or public Rails-based apps to
tear
> apart and learn from.. the two I''ve found are far to complicated
to
> learn anything from (Tracks and the Rails cart).
>
> I''m looking for something that uses basic DB functionality and is
> decently comment ed or, at least, easily understood. Beyond that.. is
> there a good place to find php-quality commented documentation of
> methods/functions/etc?
>   
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William Pratt wrote:
> The api can be found here:
> 
> http://api.rubyonrails.org
> 
> -Bill
Thank you for that link. I guess I overlooked it before. Never thought 
to look for an API page. This is exactly what I was looking for.

I''ve decided to sit down and simply read the good old "Learn To
Program"
and start fresh, push what I know from PHP to back of my mind while 
working on a Ruby App.

Hopefully, I''ll be able to soon roll a mini-blog for geeklan.com and 
then extend it from there.

Again thank you (all) for your responses.
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Geoff W. wrote:
> I''ve finished reading the Agile Web Development with Rails and the
Intro
> to Ruby books.
> 
> I followed the examples, learned how to create the basics but..
> 
> I''m not sure what to do next. The books only cover the bare
basics, and
> all the online tutorials are clones of those tutorials. In fact, they
> all work on the same logic: Create a database, generate a scaffold..
> LOOK AT RAILS! IT''S AWESOME! while not actually showing you how to
> -properly- use the Rails framework.
> 
> I''m an old-school PHP Developer. I need to do something, I find a
> function in the PHP Manual, read about it, use it.
> 
> I can''t find similar-quality documentation on Ruby or RoR methods.
> 
> The tutorials never, EVER cover the WHY or the ##Insert detailed
> description of function/method here w/ comments/examples##.
> 
> I''ve tried finding any opensource or public Rails-based apps to
tear
> apart and learn from.. the two I''ve found are far to complicated
to
> learn anything from (Tracks and the Rails cart).
> 
> I''m looking for something that uses basic DB functionality and is
> decently comment ed or, at least, easily understood. Beyond that.. is
> there a good place to find php-quality commented documentation of
> methods/functions/etc?
well, this is a bit of an issue.  there is an api online, and it is 
detailed, but just where to look for something or even to what to look 
for, is a bit tricky.  then there are gems and then blogs telling you 
how to fix the gems.
but all in all, they are a friendly group, and will keep you going.

for example, building a logon is easy, if you know which one to use. 
salt and sugar, acts, and some others are out, and restful is now in. 
but you have to be lucky to hit a blog that says that, cause if you just 
go right to acts, then you don''t know it is out-dated.  you also have 
depreciated things that makes a version a concern.

just explaining when to use helpers, or the controller, or the model, 
and how, and even WHY, is a big help.  then there is :through 
relationships in models.

if you want to yahoo with me, my id is ''gemblon''... and you
can ask me
questions during the day, and i will tell you what to do next, and WHY, 
up to my ability, or point you in the right direction.  that will get 
you off and running.  then post here for the things i don''t know, and 
maybe fred or one of the experts will chime in.

i have a *how to* site that i am working on, which explains some of the 
why, in not so geeky terms.  that may help you to explain what i am 
talking about, and then there are lots of other how to sites that are 
just awesome,

also:  if you have a site to build an application, it works best and 
fastest.





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I do have a site to build an application.

As I posted a little earlier, i think I''m going to try to start working
on a -very- basic blog (at least get my base knowledge and thinking 
processes in line with Rails development).

I''ve been a purely procedural developer up until a few months ago when
I
started using the CodeIgniter Framework (PHP Framework). This was also 
my introduction to the MVC Framework (even though I''ve been using 
something similar to it in my procedural code). CI is a loose MVC 
Framework though, as you can outright skip using the Model entirely.

I''m not sure what made me suddenly decide to try Ruby/RoR. It just 
popped into my head, so I installed it on my virtual server and started 
fudging around with it.

While I''m not terribly impressed with Ruby''s overall
performance, it''s
still an awesome language from what I''ve seen. Hopefully, a functional 
apache module for ruby will be brought to life and maintained, unlike 
the forgotten mod_ruby.

-G

gemblon (t.b.) wrote:
> well, this is a bit of an issue.  there is an api online, and it is 
> detailed, but just where to look for something or even to what to look 
> for, is a bit tricky.  then there are gems and then blogs telling you 
> how to fix the gems.
> but all in all, they are a friendly group, and will keep you going.
> 
> for example, building a logon is easy, if you know which one to use. 
> salt and sugar, acts, and some others are out, and restful is now in. 
> but you have to be lucky to hit a blog that says that, cause if you just 
> go right to acts, then you don''t know it is out-dated.  you also
have
> depreciated things that makes a version a concern.
> 
> just explaining when to use helpers, or the controller, or the model, 
> and how, and even WHY, is a big help.  then there is :through 
> relationships in models.
> 
> if you want to yahoo with me, my id is ''gemblon''... and
you can ask me
> questions during the day, and i will tell you what to do next, and WHY, 
> up to my ability, or point you in the right direction.  that will get 
> you off and running.  then post here for the things i don''t know,
and
> maybe fred or one of the experts will chime in.
> 
> i have a *how to* site that i am working on, which explains some of the 
> why, in not so geeky terms.  that may help you to explain what i am 
> talking about, and then there are lots of other how to sites that are 
> just awesome,
> 
> also:  if you have a site to build an application, it works best and 
> fastest.
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Also, a good read to understanding views, partials, layouts, etc is
http://www.railsdev.ws/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/modular_page_assembly_in_rails.pdf

On Dec 12, 9:40 pm, "Geoff W."
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wrote:
> I do have a site to build an application.
>
> As I posted a little earlier, i think I''m going to try to start
working
> on a -very- basic blog (at least get my base knowledge and thinking
> processes in line with Rails development).
>
> I''ve been a purely procedural developer up until a few months ago
when I
> started using the CodeIgniter Framework (PHP Framework). This was also
> my introduction to the MVC Framework (even though I''ve been using
> something similar to it in my procedural code). CI is a loose MVC
> Framework though, as you can outright skip using the Model entirely.
>
> I''m not sure what made me suddenly decide to try Ruby/RoR. It just
> popped into my head, so I installed it on my virtual server and started
> fudging around with it.
>
> While I''m not terribly impressed with Ruby''s overall
performance, it''s
> still an awesome language from what I''ve seen. Hopefully, a
functional
> apache module for ruby will be brought to life and maintained, unlike
> the forgotten mod_ruby.
>
> -G
>
>
>
> gemblon (t.b.) wrote:
> > well, this is a bit of an issue.  there is an api online, and it is
> > detailed, but just where to look for something or even to what to look
> > for, is a bit tricky.  then there are gems and then blogs telling you
> > how to fix the gems.
> > but all in all, they are a friendly group, and will keep you going.
>
> > for example, building a logon is easy, if you know which one to use.
> > salt and sugar, acts, and some others are out, and restful is now in.
> > but you have to be lucky to hit a blog that says that, cause if you
just
> > go right to acts, then you don''t know it is out-dated.  you
also have
> > depreciated things that makes a version a concern.
>
> > just explaining when to use helpers, or the controller, or the model,
> > and how, and even WHY, is a big help.  then there is :through
> > relationships in models.
>
> > if you want to yahoo with me, my id is ''gemblon''...
and you can ask me
> > questions during the day, and i will tell you what to do next, and
WHY,
> > up to my ability, or point you in the right direction.  that will get
> > you off and running.  then post here for the things i don''t
know, and
> > maybe fred or one of the experts will chime in.
>
> > i have a *how to* site that i am working on, which explains some of
the
> > why, in not so geeky terms.  that may help you to explain what i am
> > talking about, and then there are lots of other how to sites that are
> > just awesome,
>
> > also:  if you have a site to build an application, it works best and
> > fastest.
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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Hey Bill,

I was kinda lost too. At first it seems strange, but you just gotta
let yourself go with the magic of Rails. Once you get the feeling, it
all starts to make sense. Sure, that works for most situations, but
sometimes a more detailed knowledge of what Rails is doing in the
background is needed...

Cheers, Sazima

On Dec 13, 3:01 am, "Geoff W."
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wrote:
> William Pratt wrote:
> > The api can be found here:
>
> >http://api.rubyonrails.org
>
> > -Bill
>
> Thank you for that link. I guess I overlooked it before. Never thought
> to look for an API page. This is exactly what I was looking for.
>
> I''ve decided to sit down and simply read the good old "Learn
To Program"
> and start fresh, push what I know from PHP to back of my mind while
> working on a Ruby App.
>
> Hopefully, I''ll be able to soon roll a mini-blog for geeklan.com
and
> then extend it from there.
>
> Again thank you (all) for your responses.
> --
> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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