I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out there that works well for Ruby? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Not sure what OS your using but TextMate is great if your on Mac. There is a windows port called e, http://www.e-texteditor.com/. On Dec 2, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Tom Dellaringa wrote:> > I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky > for > me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about > the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is > out > there that works well for Ruby? > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Michael Breen wrote:> Not sure what OS your using but TextMate is great if your on Mac. > There is a windows port called e, http://www.e-texteditor.com/.Oops, sorry on a PC. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Komodo Edit is free and works pretty well. It needs more than a minimal configuration to run okay. On the Mac, a lot of people like Textmate. I find the ''e'' texteditor just fine for a windows laptop -- it''s cheap but it''s not free. Komodo Edit pauses and goes to sleep (or garbage collects) on my half-gig laptop, I simply ran out of patience. Both ''e'' and Komodo edit do just fine with Ruby and Rails. Komodo has more features. The full Komodo IDE is expensive, so I''ve skipped it. The Aptana IDE is free but is a tremendous resource hog compared to the others. It has good functionality but goes to sleep for extended periods. Some people blame the Java/Eclipse underpinnings of Aptana for it''s lack of responsiveness. If your a really good emacs hacker you can make emacs do what you want but it seemed it was taking forever to configure and then it didn''t work right for me. Last time I looked there are about three or four different packages you have to integrate into emacs to get it play as nice as the others. I hear good things about vim. I''ve heard that NetBeans is good but a resource hog. Visual Slickedit has a fantastic feature set but is definitely not free and not oriented toward Ruby and Rails, the last time I looked. fredistic --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Tom Dellaringa wrote:> > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > there that works well for Ruby?I have used vim with vim-ruby and cream (vim configured for gui) with vim-ruby and Komodo. For Linux I prefer vim with vim-ruby. For MS-Windows I am presently tring out Komodo. I used Cream and vim on Window but I just could not seem to get the configuration right for Ruby and Rails. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I''ve just found this: http://www.railssite.com/ For HomeSite, I''m going to give it a whirl. I really don''t want to deal with the "heavier" apps, especially those running in java (ugh). -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I''m very happy with Ruby in Steel (http://www.sapphiresteel.com/). The Intellisense code completion and the proper debugger really set this one apart. The basic version is free but you will need a copy of Visual Studio. (And if you''re on a Mac, like me, you need to use a VM as well) On Dec 2, 6:02 pm, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > there that works well for Ruby? > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
attila.gyorffy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2007-Dec-03 10:50 UTC
Re: What''s your favorite RoR editor/IDE?
Of course it depends on the development platform. While using Windows, I normally have Visual Studio (with a small extension for it), but on OS X the best editor is definitely TextMate. I wrote two short articles about these, you can take a quick look on them here: Using Visual Studio as a Ruby On Rails IDE http://www.eclips3media.com/workshop/?p=8 TextMate: The best Ruby On Rails editor for OS X http://www.eclips3media.com/workshop/?p=5 Cheers, Attila On Dec 2, 5:02 pm, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > there that works well for Ruby? > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
As far as emacs goes, i''ve been pretty happy with rails-on-emacs: * http://dima-exe.ru/rails-on-emacs To set up: cd .emacs.d svn checkout svn://rubyforge.org/var/svn/emacs-rails/trunk rails wget http://www.kazmier.com/computer/snippet.el wget http://www.webweavertech.com/ovidiu/emacs/find-recursive.txt -O find-recursive.el wget http://svn.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/trunk/misc/inf-ruby.el?view=co -O inf-ruby.el then, add to your .emacs file: ;;; ;;; emacs ruby on rails mode ;;; (setq load-path (cons "~/.emacs.d/rails" load-path)) (require ''rails) (add-hook ''ruby-mode-hook ''(lambda () (menu-bar-mode 1))) make sure you use the toolbar when you first start. there are a lot of commands to flip between controllers, views, test, etc. similar to Textmate, but it may take a while to learn the new keyboard habits. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks for all the suggestions. Last night I installed RailsSite for HomeSite, I had to upgrade to 5.5 (only $29). Right now that is working great for me. Since I''m so familiar with the interface, it will be easy to customize oft-used commands. Plus, it came with a host of snippets already. I recommend it for any HS users out there. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I never thought I''d say this, but... vim! I have a Windows at home and Ubuntu at work - same environment! http://ruby.about.com/b/2007/06/23/the-railsvim-tutorial.htm On Dec 3, 2007 1:02 AM, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > there that works well for Ruby? > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >-- Ramon Tayag --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 2, 11:02 am, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > there that works well for Ruby?It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than EMACS. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
kevin cline wrote:> On Dec 2, 11:02 am, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> > wrote: >> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few >> editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for >> me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or >> advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. >> >> Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the >> right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out >> there that works well for Ruby? > > It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than > EMACS.What about NetBeans? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I also use Ruby in Steel and I am extremely happy. Ruby in Steel is excellent for development on a Windows platform. I agree with Fjan, the debugger is brilliant. It is very easy to add a breakpoint and inspect variable values. The developers of Ruby in Steel are also very helpful, knowledgeable and accessible. Ruby in Steel really makes me a more productive Rails developer. Willem On Dec 3, 12:48 pm, Fjan <jmfa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m very happy with Ruby in Steel (http://www.sapphiresteel.com/). The > Intellisense code completion and the proper debugger really set this > one apart. The basic version is free but you will need a copy of > Visual Studio. (And if you''re on a Mac, like me, you need to use a VM > as well) > > On Dec 2, 6:02 pm, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > > I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > > editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > > me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > > advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > > there that works well for Ruby? > > -- > > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 4, 2007 1:06 AM, kevin cline <kevin.cline-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than > EMACS.Dear older-fart-than-me, How''s the carpal tunnel these days? Mine''s fine, thanks for asking. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Greg Donald wrote:> Dear older-fart-than-me, > > How''s the carpal tunnel these days? Mine''s fine, thanks for asking.Ive been using vi since 1988 (and programming since 1981) and Ive never had carpal tunnel or vision problems. For me, moving from keyboard to mouse constantly is less efficient that staying at the keyboard, so Ive never met an IDE I liked. -- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 4, 2007 4:06 PM, Eno <symbiat-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Ive been using vi since 1988 (and programming since 1981) and Ive never > had carpal tunnel or vision problems./me passes Eno a clue Me neither, it was a joke. My first programming was in Basic on an Apple IIe in ''84. I honestly don''t recall what editor I used back then.> For me, moving from keyboard to > mouse constantly is less efficient that staying at the keyboard, so Ive > never met an IDE I liked.Me neither again, especially all these horribly slow ones written in Java. I hope to <insert favorite diety here> I never get whatever sickness it is that makes people want to code in Java, or worse use a Java IDE to do it. That''s just yucky. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Greg Donald wrote:> Me neither, it was a joke. My first programming was in Basic on an > Apple IIe in ''84.Probably around the time I had moved on to coding 6502 assembly language (no joke ;-) Most micros had built-in editors back then. The "nice" ones had automatic line numbering, paged output, etc if you were lucky. And you try telling that to the kids today and they won''t believe you! -- A --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I''ve long been a fan of emacs, but Textmate is the first thing that''s lead me away from emacs. Funny, that. -j On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Greg Donald wrote:> > On Dec 4, 2007 4:06 PM, Eno <symbiat-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> Ive been using vi since 1988 (and programming since 1981) and Ive >> never >> had carpal tunnel or vision problems. > > /me passes Eno a clue > > Me neither, it was a joke. My first programming was in Basic on an > Apple IIe in ''84. I honestly don''t recall what editor I used back > then. > >> For me, moving from keyboard to >> mouse constantly is less efficient that staying at the keyboard, >> so Ive >> never met an IDE I liked. > > Me neither again, especially all these horribly slow ones written in > Java. I hope to <insert favorite diety here> I never get whatever > sickness it is that makes people want to code in Java, or worse use a > Java IDE to do it. That''s just yucky. > > > -- > Greg Donald > http://destiney.com/ > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I use netbeans - very happy with it. Am stuck using Windows and can''t stand ''e'', even though I did buy a licence for it (has no bookmarks so going from one part of a file to another means you lose your thread of thought). Netbeans does sit on top of a Java VM but has lots of shortcut keys and 90% of the TextMate subsitution macros. It can be a little flakey but so is ''e'' so so what? I use VIM for stuff like column editing of data and proper regexp substitution. For me TextMate is a text-based word processing tool with a lot of stuff bolted on, but I''m looking at it through ''e'' shaped glasses so that''s probably unfair. If you can''t split the screen for the same file or put two files side by side or be able to do diffs from your sourcecode control system it''s not a proper IDE, sorry, not IMHO. I also use cygwin for X terminals and shell programming (usually using VIM to edit). On Dec 5, 12:10 pm, John Adams <j...-v/oBC7Wj0TusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''ve long been a fan of emacs, but Textmate is the first thing that''s > lead me away from emacs. Funny, that. > > -j > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Greg Donald wrote: > > > > > On Dec 4, 2007 4:06 PM, Eno <symb...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> Ive been using vi since 1988 (and programming since 1981) and Ive > >> never > >> had carpal tunnel or vision problems. > > > /me passes Eno a clue > > > Me neither, it was a joke. My first programming was in Basic on an > > Apple IIe in ''84. I honestly don''t recall what editor I used back > > then. > > >> For me, moving from keyboard to > >> mouse constantly is less efficient that staying at the keyboard, > >> so Ive > >> never met an IDE I liked. > > > Me neither again, especially all these horribly slow ones written in > > Java. I hope to <insert favorite diety here> I never get whatever > > sickness it is that makes people want to code in Java, or worse use a > > Java IDE to do it. That''s just yucky. > > > -- > > Greg Donald > >http://destiney.com/--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 4, 1:45 am, Ayyanar Aswathaman <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- s.net> wrote:> kevinclinewrote: > > On Dec 2, 11:02 am, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> > > wrote: > >> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > >> editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > >> me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > >> advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > >> Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > >> right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > >> there that works well for Ruby? > > > It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than > > EMACS. > > What about NetBeans?I read a few pages and I still haven''t seen any links to editor customization. For example, I would like to implement acronym-based code completion. I want to type ''aa control-;'' and have the editor replace that text with the nearest matching identifier, like ''attr_accessor''. I can do that in Emacs, and it saves me thousands of keystrokes per day. How could I do that with NetBeans? Another example: underscore is hard to reach. So I hacked EMACS in Ruby mode to insert underscore when I type a semicolon. To get an actual semicolon, I press semicolon twice. That took about one minute to write and test in Emacs LISP. How do I do that in NetBeans? Without that sort of easy customization, I''m just not interested. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 4, 3:48 pm, "Greg Donald" <gdon...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Dec 4, 2007 1:06 AM,kevincline<kevin.cl...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than > > EMACS. > > Dear older-fart-than-me, > > How''s the carpal tunnel these days? Mine''s fine, thanks for asking.I use a Kinesis Classic ergonomic keyboard, which has two big buttons conveniently located under each thumb. It''s programmable, so I remapped the buttons under the left thumb to Control and Alt. This takes all the strain out of typing control and alt keyboard shortcuts. I have the most problem with the mouse, and this leads me to reject editors that don''t allow me to create keyboard shortcuts for almost everything. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, kevin cline wrote:> I have the most problem with the mouse, and this leads me to reject > editors that don''t allow me to create keyboard shortcuts for almost > everything.Totally agree - the keyboard is the most efficient input device. -- A --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I run the custom modded gedit. On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 17:25 -0500, Eno wrote:> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, kevin cline wrote: > > > I have the most problem with the mouse, and this leads me to reject > > editors that don''t allow me to create keyboard shortcuts for almost > > everything. > > Totally agree - the keyboard is the most efficient input device. > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Netbeans: ^K finds the nearest completion across all buffers, Shift-^K goes back. ^B takes you to the definition of the function or variable you are sitting on. Vim: ^P and ^N. Completion - you can set up completions in Netbeans - press tab and it completes or does a whole macro for you. Also does the Java IDE thing of trying to guess what function you want, plus in-line help ... You''d have to write all that yourself in emacs - why bother? Vim: look for the help on abbrev ... Keyboard macros to put in underscore - any editor that supports macros ... You don''t have to write a function to do the word completion in emacs - it''s a standard function. Personally don''t find emacs that easy to customise. Got up to speed by working throught the O''Reilly book but couldn''t find a decent tutorial on e-lisp. Things like colorising text are really easy in VIM and Netbeans - Emacs buries it somewhere and I couldn''t get it working the way I wanted - too clever for its own good. Then stopped using it for a while and forgot all of the commands apart from ^X^C. I was writing a lot of PL/SQL and really liked being able to run SQL*Plus in a subwindow. It''s all a question of are you willing to invest the energy to get as good with Netbeans are you are with Emacs - probably not. But the customisation is *much* easier than with Emacs for a newbie, and it works as advertised. On Dec 6, 3:03 am, kevin cline <kevin.cl...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Dec 4, 1:45 am, Ayyanar Aswathaman <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- > > > > s.net> wrote: > > kevinclinewrote: > > > On Dec 2, 11:02 am, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> > > > wrote: > > >> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > > >> editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > > >> me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > > >> advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > > >> Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > > >> right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > > >> there that works well for Ruby? > > > > It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than > > > EMACS. > > > What about NetBeans? > > I read a few pages and I still haven''t seen any links to editor > customization. For example, I would like to implement acronym-based > code completion. I want to type ''aa control-;'' and have the editor > replace that text with the nearest matching identifier, like > ''attr_accessor''. I can do that in Emacs, and it saves me thousands of > keystrokes per day. How could I do that with NetBeans? > > Another example: underscore is hard to reach. So I hacked EMACS in > Ruby mode to insert underscore when I type a semicolon. To get an > actual semicolon, I press semicolon twice. That took about one minute > to write and test in Emacs LISP. How do I do that in NetBeans? > > Without that sort of easy customization, I''m just not interested.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I always use RoRED it is good for me On Dec 7, 2007 8:49 PM, ghoti <francis.fish-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Netbeans: ^K finds the nearest completion across all buffers, Shift-^K > goes back. ^B takes you to the definition of the function or variable > you are sitting on. > Vim: ^P and ^N. > > Completion - you can set up completions in Netbeans - press tab and it > completes or does a whole macro for you. Also does the Java IDE thing > of trying to guess what function you want, plus in-line help ... You''d > have to write all that yourself in emacs - why bother? > Vim: look for the help on abbrev ... > > Keyboard macros to put in underscore - any editor that supports > macros ... > > You don''t have to write a function to do the word completion in emacs > - it''s a standard function. Personally don''t find emacs that easy to > customise. Got up to speed by working throught the O''Reilly book but > couldn''t find a decent tutorial on e-lisp. Things like colorising text > are really easy in VIM and Netbeans - Emacs buries it somewhere and I > couldn''t get it working the way I wanted - too clever for its own > good. Then stopped using it for a while and forgot all of the commands > apart from ^X^C. I was writing a lot of PL/SQL and really liked being > able to run SQL*Plus in a subwindow. > > It''s all a question of are you willing to invest the energy to get as > good with Netbeans are you are with Emacs - probably not. But the > customisation is *much* easier than with Emacs for a newbie, and it > works as advertised. > > On Dec 6, 3:03 am, kevin cline <kevin.cl...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > On Dec 4, 1:45 am, Ayyanar Aswathaman <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- > > > > > > > > s.net> wrote: > > > kevinclinewrote: > > > > On Dec 2, 11:02 am, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > > > >> editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky > for > > > >> me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion > or > > > >> advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > > > > >> Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has > about the > > > >> right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else > is out > > > >> there that works well for Ruby? > > > > > > It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than > > > > EMACS. > > > > > What about NetBeans? > > > > I read a few pages and I still haven''t seen any links to editor > > customization. For example, I would like to implement acronym-based > > code completion. I want to type ''aa control-;'' and have the editor > > replace that text with the nearest matching identifier, like > > ''attr_accessor''. I can do that in Emacs, and it saves me thousands of > > keystrokes per day. How could I do that with NetBeans? > > > > Another example: underscore is hard to reach. So I hacked EMACS in > > Ruby mode to insert underscore when I type a semicolon. To get an > > actual semicolon, I press semicolon twice. That took about one minute > > to write and test in Emacs LISP. How do I do that in NetBeans? > > > > Without that sort of easy customization, I''m just not interested. > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
One thing that I *really* don''t like about NetBeans is the use of two spaces for indentation. I have all of my indentation engines set to 4 space tabs, which sort of works. When I am at the beginning of the line and hit the tab key, it will insert a 4 space tab like I expect it to. But if the line begins with two spaces, such as one that was created by a generator, then the tab key doesn''t always insert a 4 space tab. And the smart indenting (the indentation after pressing the return/enter key) does not use my indentation settings but rather the two spaces. I did some searching on it and apparently Ty (the primary author) is of the opinion that tabs are evil, so I feel like I''m forced to use what he thinks is best instead of what I am more comfortable with. I don''t mean this to start a discussion about which is better, spaces or tabs. I''m just pointing out something that I don''t like about NetBeans. And it''s enough to keep me using TextMate. When I open a file in TextMate, I CMD-A, OPT-CMD-[ and the entire file is formatted just the way I want it. I tried to do that in NetBeans and I couldn''t escape the two space indents! If there is a way to correct this, please (*please*) tell me. I actually find quite a bit to like in NetBeans, but I''m pretty adamant about the 4 space tab thing. Peace, Phillip On Dec 7, 2007, at 6:49 AM, ghoti wrote:> > Netbeans: ^K finds the nearest completion across all buffers, Shift-^K > goes back. ^B takes you to the definition of the function or variable > you are sitting on. > Vim: ^P and ^N. > > Completion - you can set up completions in Netbeans - press tab and it > completes or does a whole macro for you. Also does the Java IDE thing > of trying to guess what function you want, plus in-line help ... You''d > have to write all that yourself in emacs - why bother? > Vim: look for the help on abbrev ... > > Keyboard macros to put in underscore - any editor that supports > macros ... > > You don''t have to write a function to do the word completion in emacs > - it''s a standard function. Personally don''t find emacs that easy to > customise. Got up to speed by working throught the O''Reilly book but > couldn''t find a decent tutorial on e-lisp. Things like colorising text > are really easy in VIM and Netbeans - Emacs buries it somewhere and I > couldn''t get it working the way I wanted - too clever for its own > good. Then stopped using it for a while and forgot all of the commands > apart from ^X^C. I was writing a lot of PL/SQL and really liked being > able to run SQL*Plus in a subwindow. > > It''s all a question of are you willing to invest the energy to get as > good with Netbeans are you are with Emacs - probably not. But the > customisation is *much* easier than with Emacs for a newbie, and it > works as advertised. > > On Dec 6, 3:03 am, kevin cline <kevin.cl...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> On Dec 4, 1:45 am, Ayyanar Aswathaman <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- >> >> >> >> s.net> wrote: >>> kevinclinewrote: >>>> On Dec 2, 11:02 am, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- >>>> s.net> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a >>>>> few >>>>> editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it >>>>> clunky for >>>>> me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code >>>>> completion or >>>>> advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the >>>>> middle. >> >>>>> Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has >>>>> about the >>>>> right amount of features while staying out of your way. What >>>>> else is out >>>>> there that works well for Ruby? >> >>>> It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than >>>> EMACS. >> >>> What about NetBeans? >> >> I read a few pages and I still haven''t seen any links to editor >> customization. For example, I would like to implement acronym-based >> code completion. I want to type ''aa control-;'' and have the editor >> replace that text with the nearest matching identifier, like >> ''attr_accessor''. I can do that in Emacs, and it saves me >> thousands of >> keystrokes per day. How could I do that with NetBeans? >> >> Another example: underscore is hard to reach. So I hacked EMACS in >> Ruby mode to insert underscore when I type a semicolon. To get an >> actual semicolon, I press semicolon twice. That took about one >> minute >> to write and test in Emacs LISP. How do I do that in NetBeans? >> >> Without that sort of easy customization, I''m just not interested. > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 7, 6:49 am, ghoti <francis.f...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Netbeans: ^K finds the nearest completion across all buffers, Shift-^K > goes back. ...You pointed out some featues of NetBeans that allow for limited customization, and pointed out some features that do something similar to what I want, but haven''t but haven''t answered my question: how does NetBeans support customization in general? How hard would it be to change the behavior of ordinary characters like semicolon to behave as I described: insert an underscore, unless the preceding character is an underscore, and in that case insert a semicolon? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 2, 9:02 am, Tom Dellaringa <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > there that works well for Ruby? > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.i think textmate, vim, emacs, netbeans, Aptana, and maybe komodo all have happy users. Let me answer a different question. I believe textmate is the best documented editor/IDe, with the Gray book and literally hundreds of blogs about how to do anything (and the occasional bug/gotcha). Look in delicios for tag "rails+textmate". --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Tom Dellaringa wrote:> I''m a quarter of the way through Agile, and so far I''ve tried a few > editors. NetBeans 6 seems fully featured, but I''m finding it clunky for > me. InType is light and clean but doesn''t have any code completion or > advanced features. I''m kind of looking for something in the middle. > > Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > there that works well for Ruby?I like 3rdRail (http://www.codegear.com/products/3rdrail). In fact, you''d have to pry it out of my dead, cold hands. It isn''t a free editor, but it specifically targets Ruby/Rails development. There are some extraordinary features in it. It''s only real draw-back is it doesn''t have an integrated debugger yet, but CodeGear is adding one. Tom, there are several threads here on the forum talking about IDEs. Details about features various editors offer are available in those threads, so I won''t re-iterate that information here. Download 3rdRail and try using it. You can also go into the newsgroup for 3rdRail and ask questions if you need further details. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Cody Skidmore wrote:> I like 3rdRail (http://www.codegear.com/products/3rdrail). In fact, > you''d have to pry it out of my dead, cold hands. It isn''t a freeOne other thing, There are videos from CodeGear''s virtual conference you can download and watch if you''d like seeing the editor demo''d. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
VIM, prefer to have one editor not one for every task. On Dec 7, 2007 6:21 PM, Cody Skidmore <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Cody Skidmore wrote: > > I like 3rdRail (http://www.codegear.com/products/3rdrail). In fact, > > you''d have to pry it out of my dead, cold hands. It isn''t a free > > One other thing, > > There are videos from CodeGear''s virtual conference you can download and > watch if you''d like seeing the editor demo''d. > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >-- \Hjertnes --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Eivind Hjertnes wrote:> VIM, prefer to have one editor not one for every task.Then that''s what you''ve got in 3rdRail. It edits templates, style sheets, code, and practically everything else from a single interface. You can also execute shell commands from the editor. Code completion works for shell commands, and if you''re installing gems, it actually fetches a list of available gems for you live. When you execute a script command, you can see the same results you''d see in a shell window. What I meant by directly targeting Ruby & Rails is the editor doesn''t try and support PHP, Ruby, Java, C#, etc. It targets Ruby/Rails project tasks directly. Most every task I can think of can be handled directly from the IDE. Cody -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
My $0.02 is that text mate is the best editor out there, but E text editor is the best alternative for PC users. It even does multiple panels/documents now! ( http://www.e-texteditor.com/ ) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
In e you can hold CTRL down while selecting and get multiple, disconnected, selections. Is there a way to do that in TextMate? Since this is getting off-topic, I''ll try to pull it back with: I often need to select many things at once as I''m editing a view or controller, and it would be helpful if I could do that. :) Peace, Phillip On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Harmon wrote:> > My $0.02 is that text mate is the best editor out there, but E text > editor is the best alternative for PC users. It even does multiple > panels/documents now! ( http://www.e-texteditor.com/ ) > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Except VI - God''s own editor. I''ve recently updated the ''vim-rails'' package for Ubuntu Gutsy which installs the ''vim-rails'' vim-script and a bunch of supporting scripts, making Gvim and Vim more Rails friendly. If you are interested you can find it in my Launchpad PPA archive here https://launchpad.net/~neil-aldur/+archive On Dec 4, 7:06 am, kevin cline <kevin.cl...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> It''s been 30 years, and I still haven''t found anything better than > EMACS.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Dec 7, 5:06 am, Phillip Koebbe <phillipkoe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: I did some searching on it and apparently Ty (the> primary author) is of the opinion that tabs are evil, so I feel like > I''m forced to use what he thinks is best instead of what I am more > comfortable with.Hi Phillip, it''s true that I''m no fan of tabs but I assure you I''m not at all trying to enforce a particular indentation style - tabs, spaces or amount, on anyone. NetBeans has settings for all these things and they are supposed to work; we had no bugs filed on them not working. (Well, there is a new bug report that is 3 days old, so filed after 6.0 shipped, which looks related - http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=123496 - I will be investigating. However, this bug report seems to be talking specifically about ERB/RHTML files, which are special because they combine lots of editor types into a single document - HTML, JavaScript, Ruby etc. If you''re seeing something else (e.g. in plain Ruby files), it would be very valuable if you can provide more information on how to reproduce it. Just write to dev-n3CzLFQkLgrXWKka9uoeGti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org so we don''t bore others on this alias with NetBeans specific issues.> If there is a way to correct this, please (*please*) tell me. I > actually find quite a bit to like inNetBeans, but I''m pretty adamant > about the 4 space tab thing.This should be easy to fix; all the infrastructure is in place for this to work, and it did work when I first implemented it, so it''s likely a simple bug. If should be able to fix it quickly in 6.1 if I can reproduce it. Thanks, Tor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Tor, I thought I saw something on your blogs about tabs being evil...that''s where that line came from. Good to know that you don''t *really* think that tabs are at the root of everything wrong with the world ;). I''ll do some specific use cases and put together detailed notes for you. Thanks for the thoughts! Peace, Phillip On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Tor Norbye wrote:> > On Dec 7, 5:06 am, Phillip Koebbe <phillipkoe...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > I did some searching on it and apparently Ty (the >> primary author) is of the opinion that tabs are evil, so I feel like >> I''m forced to use what he thinks is best instead of what I am more >> comfortable with. > > Hi Phillip, > it''s true that I''m no fan of tabs but I assure you I''m not at all > trying to enforce a particular indentation style - tabs, spaces or > amount, on anyone. NetBeans has settings for all these things and they > are supposed to work; we had no bugs filed on them not working. (Well, > there is a new bug report that is 3 days old, so filed after 6.0 > shipped, which looks related - http://www.netbeans.org/issues/ > show_bug.cgi?id=123496 > - I will be investigating. However, this bug report seems to be > talking specifically about ERB/RHTML files, which are special because > they combine lots of editor types into a single document - HTML, > JavaScript, Ruby etc. If you''re seeing something else (e.g. in plain > Ruby files), it would be very valuable if you can provide more > information on how to reproduce it. Just write to > dev-n3CzLFQkLgrXWKka9uoeGti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org so we don''t bore others on this alias with > NetBeans specific issues. > >> If there is a way to correct this, please (*please*) tell me. I >> actually find quite a bit to like inNetBeans, but I''m pretty adamant >> about the 4 space tab thing. > > This should be easy to fix; all the infrastructure is in place for > this to work, and it did work when I first implemented it, so it''s > likely a simple bug. If should be able to fix it quickly in 6.1 if I > can reproduce it. > > Thanks, > Tor > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> Ideally I''d find something like HomeSite, which I love and has about the > right amount of features while staying out of your way. What else is out > there that works well for Ruby?Omygod! There''s still another homesite user out there? I''m still using my 5 year old version Homesite 5.0 and I just don''t ever want to switch to another editor. It think it achieved the perfect number of features/settings, whenit was bought and discontinued -- the best thing that ever happened to it, as it kind of froze it in 2002.> I''ve just found this: > http://www.railssite.com/ > For HomeSite, I''m going to give it a whirl.WOOHOO! -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Cody Skidmore wrote:> Eivind Hjertnes wrote: >> VIM, prefer to have one editor not one for every task. > > Then that''s what you''ve got in 3rdRail. It edits templates, style > sheets, code, and practically everything else from a single interface. > > You can also execute shell commands from the editor. Code completion > works for shell commands, and if you''re installing gems, it actually > fetches a list of available gems for you live. > > When you execute a script command, you can see the same results you''d > see in a shell window. > > What I meant by directly targeting Ruby & Rails is the editor doesn''t > try and support PHP, Ruby, Java, C#, etc. It targets Ruby/Rails project > tasks directly. Most every task I can think of can be handled directly > from the IDE. > > CodyJeezus Aich Keeriest, and a license is $400! And it looks suspiciously like Aptana or one of those Eclipse-based variants. No dice there. I''ve been super happy with Textmate on my mac, and Netbeans on Windows. I''d use Netbeans on my mac too, but it''s true - it''s a touch resource-intensive and doesn''t work as smoothly as TM. But on Windows, NB has become my first choice. I tried Komodo Edit for a bit (the free version). It''s not bad at all, but it''s a serious hog and pretty flaky. It''s also missing a lot of what I consider basic text-editing features, like search-and-replace for blocks of code (nope, you can''t do that with Komodo.) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---