How? I have a project full of gems etc etc how can I move it in 3rdRail? I hope I don''t have to do it manually for every single file.. any help appreciated --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
HI Snaggy When I was a beta-tester for 3rdrail, importing from Aptana to 3rdrail was a breeze. Out of curiosity, why would you find it compelling to move to 3rd rail ? On Sep 23, 4:48 pm, Snaggy <l.cio...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> How? I have a project full of gems etc etc how can I move it in > 3rdRail? I hope I don''t have to do it manually for every single file.. > > any help appreciated--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi. If it was a breeze, why don''t you tell me how to do it? Do I just copy the directory? How can I make it a project in 3rdRail? I''m moving because it''s much better in thirdrail, I like the command line, the code completion, the browser with dom inspecting features, I''m not sure I like the file view and I can''t get it to display the actual folder content... Anyway, I hate eclipse and everything related to it, it''s slow, always full of bugs... but I see no alternatives for RoR... bye and sorry if I went a bit out of topic! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
You can import any Rails application into 3rdRail via "File | Import... | Rails/Import Existing Rails Application", then just select the directory. You don''t even have to move it, just reference them wherever they are. On Sep 23, 4:48 am, Snaggy <l.cio...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> How? I have a project full of gems etc etc how can I move it in > 3rdRail? I hope I don''t have to do it manually for every single file.. > > any help appreciated--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Snaggy On Sep 24, 4:17 am, Snaggy <l.cio...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi. If it was a breeze, why don''t you tell me how to do it? Do I just > copy the directory?cch Just the import functionality, it has always worked for me during the testing phase.>.How can I make it a project in 3rdRail?cch: Right click and select Import> > I''m moving because it''s much better in thirdrail, I like the command > line, the code completion, the browser with dom inspecting features, > I''m not sure I like the file view and I can''t get it to display the > actual folder content... > Anyway, I hate eclipse and everything related to it, it''s slow, always > full of bugs... but I see no alternatives for RoR...cch: 3rdRail is eclipse based> > bye and sorry if I went a bit out of topic!--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Snaggy wrote:> Hi. If it was a breeze, why don''t you tell me how to do it? Do I just > copy the directory? How can I make it a project in 3rdRail? > > I''m moving because it''s much better in thirdrail, I like the command > line, the code completion, the browser with dom inspecting features, > I''m not sure I like the file view and I can''t get it to display the > actual folder content... > Anyway, I hate eclipse and everything related to it, it''s slow, always > full of bugs... but I see no alternatives for RoR... >Ummm... you do realise that 3rd Rail is built on Eclipse just like Aptana? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hmm, I''d never heard of 3rdRail so I just checked it out: it appears to be a commercial product. I personally use Aptana and, yes it has its issues but I think it''s better to support an open source initiative with a donation than walk off to a close source solution. However, if 3rdRail is streets ahead of Aptana then it may be worth paying for. So, what does it give that Aptana doesn''t? -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
a good ALTERNATIVE IDE I just found is netbeans it is actually not bad, and way better than Aptana...wtf is aptana and why did the rad rails gang move to that??? anyway netbeans has a ruby pack find it at netbeans.org/products/ruby i''m trialling it at the moment...so am reserving judgment... On 9/24/07, Snaggy <l.cioria-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Hi. If it was a breeze, why don''t you tell me how to do it? Do I just > copy the directory? How can I make it a project in 3rdRail? > > I''m moving because it''s much better in thirdrail, I like the command > line, the code completion, the browser with dom inspecting features, > I''m not sure I like the file view and I can''t get it to display the > actual folder content... > Anyway, I hate eclipse and everything related to it, it''s slow, always > full of bugs... but I see no alternatives for RoR... > > bye and sorry if I went a bit out of topic! > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi John I don''t think 3rdRail is streets ahead of Aptana RadRails. In some areas such as the Project Commander, yes But RadRails is still ahead in terms of plugin manager, rake tasks. 3rdRail have a nice Model wizard which can automatically create a model, migrations , controller and even optionally the std Rails Scaffold. This will certainly be appealing to newbies. But after using ActiveScaffold, why would anyone want to generate std Rails scaffolding codes ? I did a difference summary for them including screenshots of the nice RadRails tabs (server,rake tasks,generate, plugins) but I dont think it was well accepted :-) Their approach was to use the Project Commander. My basic commercial question is why would you pay for something when there is something out there is usable (and free), and in some cases having better features ? The bottomline is that I am pretty happy with Radrails and have gone to production for a e-CRM project which is a rewrite of a Delphi Win32 apps using Rails + activescaffold + a number of AS-compatible plugins all within a space of 3 months. Having said that, I will still keep an eye on the development of 3rdRail :-) On Sep 24, 5:02 pm, John Lane <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hmm, I''d never heard of 3rdRail so I just checked it out: it appears to > be a commercial product. > > I personally use Aptana and, yes it has its issues but I think it''s > better to support an open source initiative with a donation than walk > off to a close source solution. > > However, if 3rdRail is streets ahead of Aptana then it may be worth > paying for. So, what does it give that Aptana doesn''t? > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
i know it''s based on eclipse and i meant i didn''t like it. i hoped that it wasn''t based on eclipse. and i realize now how easy it was to import! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Dion Have tried netbeans some time ago and as recent as yesterday, I still find it slow and hangs quite often. On Sep 24, 5:39 pm, "Dion Hewson" <dionhew...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> a good ALTERNATIVE IDE I just found is netbeans > > it is actually not bad, and way better than Aptana...wtf is aptana and why > did the rad rails gang move to that???cch: netbeans has clearly lesser functionality than Aptana Radrails. Out of curiosity, why would you say it is way better than Aptana ?> > anyway netbeans has a ruby pack > > find it at > > netbeans.org/products/ruby > > i''m trialling it at the moment...so am reserving judgment... > > On 9/24/07, Snaggy <l.cio...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi. If it was a breeze, why don''t you tell me how to do it? Do I just > > copy the directory? How can I make it a project in 3rdRail? > > > I''m moving because it''s much better in thirdrail, I like the command > > line, the code completion, the browser with dom inspecting features, > > I''m not sure I like the file view and I can''t get it to display the > > actual folder content... > > Anyway, I hate eclipse and everything related to it, it''s slow, always > > full of bugs... but I see no alternatives for RoR... > > > bye and sorry if I went a bit out of topic!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text ---~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Snaggy I think the import functonality is eclipse base as Radrails has almost the same import functionality On Sep 24, 8:37 pm, Snaggy <l.cio...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> i know it''s based on eclipse and i meant i didn''t like it. i hoped > that it wasn''t based on eclipse. and i realize now how easy it was to > import!--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> cch: netbeans has clearly lesser functionality than Aptana Radrails. > Out of curiosity, why would you say it is way better than Aptana ?I was using Aptana and found myself occasionally switching back to Netbeans. Netbeans may take a while to load, but once its running it runs really well for me. Aptana keeps doing this think where it will just freeze for several seconds right in the middle of an edit. It does that to me on both Windows and on Ubuntu. I find that very annoying. In the end, I''m not sure which I actually prefer, though. I''m leaning toward netbeans. It''s the only one I''ve found myself going back to repeatedly over the last 2 or 3 months. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
the problem is that they are both running on a java backbone java was never meant to do GUI, the bytecode conversion takes too long look at the java.exe cpu usage while just browsing the netbeans menu really fast I get up to 60% usage...thats crazy anyway...I should just use textmate on my mac... On 9/25/07, Dave Smith <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > > cch: netbeans has clearly lesser functionality than Aptana Radrails. > > Out of curiosity, why would you say it is way better than Aptana ? > > I was using Aptana and found myself occasionally switching back to > Netbeans. Netbeans may take a while to load, but once its running it > runs really well for me. Aptana keeps doing this think where it will > just freeze for several seconds right in the middle of an edit. It does > that to me on both Windows and on Ubuntu. I find that very annoying. > > In the end, I''m not sure which I actually prefer, though. I''m leaning > toward netbeans. It''s the only one I''ve found myself going back to > repeatedly over the last 2 or 3 months. > -- > Posted via ruby-forum.com. > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> java was never meant to do GUI, the bytecode conversion takes too long > look at the java.exe cpu usage while just browsing the netbeans menu > really fastDude, you''re living in 1998. Nowadays, Java is JIT compiled and runs as fast as native apps after the initial compilation. The first time you browse the menu, it might be noticably slow, but after that it will be just as as fast as a native app. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Dave Smith wrote:> > java was never meant to do GUI, the bytecode conversion takes too long > > look at the java.exe cpu usage while just browsing the netbeans menu > > really fast > > Dude, you''re living in 1998. Nowadays, Java is JIT compiled and runs as > fast as native apps after the initial compilation. The first time you > browse the menu, it might be noticably slow, but after that it will be > just as as fast as a native app.Dude, you must be using one extremely fast computer to not notice the difference. I tried the new Netbeans beta over the weekend and it was noticably slower than my other apps. So slow I ended up uninstalling it, just like every other Java IDE/app I''ve ever tried. This was on a 1-year old MacBook Pro with 2GBs of ram and not much else running besides Safari. If Java apps work for you that''s great but I haven''t seen a Java app yet that was fast enough for me. -- Greg Donald Cyberfusion Consulting cyberfusionconsulting.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Well, if you''re used to using something as light as Textmate, then it will certainly feel heavy. But otherwise, there is absolutely no reason why a java app should run noticably slower than any native app (after the first few seconds)... maybe the Mac JRE implementation is screwy. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Dave Smith wrote:> Well, if you''re used to using something as light as Textmate, then it > will certainly feel heavy.So you''re saying Java apps probably wouldn''t feel so heavy if I didn''t use Textmate? Gotta admit, that''s not one I''ve ever heard before, heh.> But otherwise, there is absolutely no reason > why a java app should run noticably slower than any native app (after > the first few seconds)... maybe the Mac JRE implementation is screwy.I guess the JRE was messed up on all the machines I ever used it on too then, windoze 95, windoze 98, windoze xp, Debian GNU/Linux, Fedora, Gentoo, etc. So the real problem here must be that I the JRE is implemented wrong? The developers would probably like to know what they are doing wrong, I think you should maybe explain it to them like you have here. It''s all Textmate''s fault Java is so slow. -- Greg Donald Cyberfusion Consulting cyberfusionconsulting.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I have to concur with Greg, every java gui I use absolutely crawls if I have anything but it open. Some apps behave better than others, but when I see java app running I''m constantly having to shut things down for it to behave well. On 9/24/07, Dave Smith <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Well, if you''re used to using something as light as Textmate, then it > will certainly feel heavy. But otherwise, there is absolutely no reason > why a java app should run noticably slower than any native app (after > the first few seconds)... maybe the Mac JRE implementation is screwy. > > -- > Posted via ruby-forum.com. > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I had been using Aptana but it isn''t very well to writing code so I was looking for an alternative. Netbeans 6.0 is very well integrated with Ruby/Rails, and it''s a lot of better than Aptana when you''re writing code. It''s on beta but it works as charm. wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyOnRails weblogs.java.net/blog/bleonard/archive/2007/03/if_you_thought_1.html Installation: thoughtmining.blogspot.com/2007/03/installing-netbeans-with-rubyrails.html codersifu.blogspot.com/2007/03/howto-install-netbeans-60-beta-with.html --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 13:13 -0400, Joe Cairns wrote:> I have to concur with Greg, every java gui I use absolutely crawls if > I have anything but it open. Some apps behave better than others, but > when I see java app running I''m constantly having to shut things down > for it to behave well. >I''ve got the following running right now: jboss 4.05 netbeans firefox evolution emacs vlc Linux hunin 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:55:27 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux Dualcore AMD 64 bit processor, 1.6ghz, 2GB ram, 8GB swap (which I''ve not hit) Things seem to be doing just fine for me --> It''s my experience that RAM is the limiting factor for java apps; give them enough ram and they do fine. I''ve also run 3rdRails; I''m not sure yet which one I like better.>--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 9/24/07, Matthew K. Williams <matt-djWhm22DhGpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Things seem to be doing just fine for me --> It''s my experience that RAM > is the limiting factor for java apps; give them enough ram and they do > fine.+1 on the RAM. I typically run jEdit, NetBeans, and at least one instance of Tomcat, along with Firefox, Konqueror, Thunderbird, VMWare, and assorted minor apps simultaneously on a 2GB SuSE system. Oh, and Mongrel of course :-) And I''m definitely finding the new NetBeans great for Rails work... FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
If you''re real interest is resource consumption, you should use VI instead of a development IDE, IMO. But, if you''re looking around for a development platform with a rich feature set enhancing productivity, compromising a little on CPU & memory usage is probably fair. I don''t use TextMate because it is only available on OSX, but I know a lot of developers who do use it and they really like it. TextMate looks like a great lite-weight text editor with some ruby support built into (syntax high-lighting for instance). 3rdRail is different though. It brings most everything right to your finger-tips. It specifically targets Ruby & Rails with deep support for both. It doesn''t just have syntax high-lighting for Ruby code. It has code completion for practically everything -- style sheets, rhtml templates, ruby code, etc. Code completion even follows through into the project commander where you can execute script commands. When you start typing, it pop ups code completion for the script commands and does it correctly. Then there are the wizards. There are wizards for SVN, CVS, new projects (which customize database.yml automatically for you), models, import/export projects, RJS templates, and servers. You can setup custom, individual servers for your projects using Mongrel for one, JRuby for another, and WebBrick for yet another. Then start the server from within the IDE, open a browser tab (from within the IDE), and start interacting with the app while debugging it. There are log watchers, built-in refactoring support, and pop-up help. When you hover over a method for instance, any available help for that method is displayed. Ruby has and always will be a grass-roots effort, but it would be great if Ruby takes the enterprise by storm right? So when companies such as CodeGear release a commercial tool for Ruby/Rails, its a signal to take Ruby (and there by all of us) seriously and moves Ruby toward that goal. Whether you''re allergic to commercial tools or not, 3rdRail is a good thing for everyone. Try to be agnostic. Before you form an opinion, spend some real time evaluating 3rdRail with other IDEs and see for yourself. Don''t just read postings and opine about open source religiously. You might give other developers an unexpected advantage... well, on second thought, nevermind. I umm, think you should shell out and pipe your code into a script. Yeah, that''s the ticket. :-) <developer.self.returns_to /dev/null/> -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I don''t know, guys. Since about Java 1.5, I haven''t noticed any major differences when running Java apps. One possible reason that you perceive them to be slow (aside from the the fact you are used to a very light editor like Textmate) may be that they tend to load a lot of things dynamically. Of course, the same problem occurs if you are loading a ton of native plugins written in C++. Java just tends to be very conducive to dynamically loading content at runtime... and Eclipse, etc., is built around dynamically loading components. Also, Cody... Textmate is only available for OSX, but there is a port of it called e-TextEditor which is actually very nice. It can even use the TextMate bundles. e-texteditor.com -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
John Lane wrote:> Hmm, I''d never heard of 3rdRail so I just checked it out: it appears to > be a commercial product. > > I personally use Aptana and, yes it has its issues but I think it''s > better to support an open source initiative with a donation than walk > off to a close source solution. > > However, if 3rdRail is streets ahead of Aptana then it may be worth > paying for. So, what does it give that Aptana doesn''t?Well, for one - at least for me - 3rdRail works on my Mac Pro where Aptana doesn''t.. ;) If you take a few minutes to watch the following screencast you''ll see some pretty neat features in 3rdRail.. dn.codegear.com/article/36985 -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Cody Nice to see you in this forum :-)> 3rdRail is different though. It brings most everything right to your > finger-tips. It specifically targets Ruby & Rails with deep support for > both. It doesn''t just have syntax high-lighting for Ruby code. It has > code completion for practically everything -- style sheets, rhtml > templates, ruby code, etc.cch: try ctrl+space in Aptana> > Code completion even follows through into the project commander where > you can execute script commands.cch: I like 3rdRail Project Commander (to me something to shout about by Codegear ) but I have just discovered that one can customise the external tools to automate tasks. See my other post in this forum.> Then there are the wizards. There are wizards for SVN, CVS, new projects > (which customize database.yml automatically for you), models,cch: I like the Model wizard and like I have said before newbies would love it. But once you use active scaffold, you''ll probably would not use this feature.> import/export projectscch: already a feature of Radrails or Eclipse ?>, RJS templates, and servers. You can setup > custom, individual servers for your projects using Mongrel for one, > JRuby for another, and WebBrick for yet another. Then start the server > from within the IDE, open a browser tab (from within the IDE), and start > interacting with the app while debugging it.cch: It is trivial in Aptana Radrails to create numerous servers (development, production etc) for a given project. Once created, just clicking the start icon automatically launches your apps. Have suggested to the 3rdRail developers but has met with no response :-) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hello CCH! :-) You seem to know a fair amount about Aptana. Maybe we could do a side-by-side comparison of the two? It would be great finding some experts to collaborate and objectively compare IDEs. - Netbeans - Aptana - Ruby in Steel - TextMate What I have in mind is actually comparing features and usability. If an IDE doesn''t support a feature identify a work-around (plug-in, shelling out, etc). That seems a like a better approach then a bunch of developers standing in the school yard, "oh yeah!!?? Well my IDE''s better than yours! (give atomic wedgie)". ;-) It would make for great blogging also. Cody -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Dave Smith wrote:> Textmate is only available for OSX, but there is a port of it called > e-TextEditor which is actually very nice. It can even use the TextMate > bundles. > > e-texteditor.comYeap. It has a nice screencast and actually uses TextMate macros. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Cody On Sep 25, 9:29 pm, Cody Skidmore <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hello CCH! :-) > > You seem to know a fair amount about Aptana. Maybe we could do a > side-by-side comparison of the two?cch: I am game :-)> > It would be great finding some experts to collaborate and objectively > compare IDEs. > > - Netbeans > - Aptana > - Ruby in Steel > - TextMate > > What I have in mind is actually comparing features and usability. If an > IDE doesn''t support a feature identify a work-around (plug-in, shelling > out, etc). That seems a like a better approach then a bunch of > developers standing in the school yard, "oh yeah!!?? Well my IDE''s > better than yours! (give atomic wedgie)". ;-)cch: That was what I was trying to tell the 3rdRail team. Only competition will make a product great !> > It would make for great blogging also. > > Cody > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH, email me at cody at skidmore dot us. We''ll put our heads together and see what kind of a shootout can be arranged. It would be great if others step forward to represent the rest of the IDEs. Cody -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
*3rdRails is a copy* of Aptana RadRails [1] but with a great difference *RadRails is free and open source.* [1] radrails.org/download_rails_rdt.php --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
here is a show down already done tnlessone.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/ruby-rails-ide-comparison-idea-netbeans-radrails but there is a great review of netbeans + ruby at lifeonrails.org/2007/8/30/netbeans-the-best-ruby-on-rails-ide and a good screencast here netbeans.org/download/flash/jruby_on_rails/jruby_on_rails.html does no one use notepad anymore? - it has 3,112k memory footprint - find AND replace (Ctrl+H) - Word Wrap - comprehensive help - and an about On 9/26/07, Cody Skidmore <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > CCH, email me at cody at skidmore dot us. We''ll put our heads together > and see what kind of a shootout can be arranged. It would be great if > others step forward to represent the rest of the IDEs. > > Cody > -- > Posted via ruby-forum.com. > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Jon, You certainly seem impassioned about something. Do you feel strongly enough about your opinion to join CCH & me and do a side by side comparison? I''m a lot more interested in facts than FUD personally. Cody -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Posted by Dion Hewson (Guest) wrote:>here is a show down already doneNice! Lots of details. It doesn''t cover all the IDEs but no fault of the authors. This one: tnlessone.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/ruby-rails-ide-comparison-idea-netbeans-radrails conveyed information the fastest IMO. It used color and grid layout affectively. Thanks for pointing it out Dion. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
The lifeonrails.org posting was very recent (30 Aug 07), but the other one (tnlessone) was from back in February. I doubt RadRails (Aptana?), IDEA, and Netbeans sat still since then. Cody -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Cody Just read the lifeonrails.org article and was very impressed.I must really take a secondlook at netbeans rubyide. BTW, as a 3rdRail expert user, can 3rdRail do what netbeans rubyide can do ? On Sep 26, 9:43 am, Cody Skidmore <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> The lifeonrails.org posting was very recent (30 Aug 07), but the other > one (tnlessone) was from back in February. I doubt RadRails (Aptana?), > IDEA, and Netbeans sat still since then. > > Cody > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Me too, after reading Lifeonrails I will most definately be trying out netbeans. One question, does the syntax highlighting work with extensions like Markaby? -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Check this for highlighting netbeans.org/download/flash/jruby_on_rails/jruby_on_rails.html /Frank Vilhelmsen 2007/9/26, John Lane <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>:> > Me too, after reading Lifeonrails I will most definately be trying out > netbeans. > > One question, does the syntax highlighting work with extensions like > Markaby? > -- > Posted via ruby-forum.com. > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> It would be great finding some experts to collaborate and objectively > compare IDEs.> - Netbeans > - Aptana > - Ruby in Steel > - TextMateHi Cody, If you want to know what Ruby In Steel can do, just ask and I''ll give you all the info you need. I am pretty confident that, with the release of 1.1.5 we have the best (fastest and most accurate) IntelliSense/code completion and the fastest debugger. If there are any other things you want to check, I''ll be happy to let you know. best wishes Huw SapphireSteel Software Ruby and Rails In Visual Studio sapphiresteel.com -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Huw Can your plugin work in the free VS express ? On Sep 26, 6:53 pm, Huw Collingbourne <rails-mailing-l...@andreas- s.net> wrote:> > It would be great finding some experts to collaborate and objectively > > compare IDEs. > > - Netbeans > > - Aptana > > - Ruby in Steel > > - TextMate > > Hi Cody, > > If you want to know what Ruby In Steel can do, just ask and I''ll give > you all the info you need. I am pretty confident that, with the release > of 1.1.5 we have the best (fastest and most accurate) IntelliSense/code > completion and the fastest debugger. If there are any other things you > want to check, I''ll be happy to let you know. > > best wishes > Huw > SapphireSteel Software > Ruby and Rails In Visual Studiohttp://www.sapphiresteel.com > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Unfortunately, Microsoft Express doesn''t support 3rd party packages. I should clarify that Ruby In Steel is not a plugin but a full ''package'' - that is, it has the deepest integration possible in Visual Studio (in VS terms, plugins and packages are very different things), so it can access the full features of VS in a similar manner to C# or VB .NET. The advent next years of the Visual Studio Shell (a free ''empty'' version of Visual Studio into which 3rd party developers can integrate their own packages) may change this situation. We''ll give more information on our strategy re the VS Shell closer to its release date. best wishes Huw SapphireSteel Software Ruby and Rails In Visual Studio sapphiresteel.com -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Huw Wrote:>If you want to know what Ruby In Steel can do, just ask and I''ll give >you all the info you need. I am pretty confident that, with the release >of 1.1.5 we have the best (fastest and most accurate) IntelliSense/code >completion and the fastest debugger. If there are any other things you >want to check, I''ll be happy to let you know.Hey Huw! Sorry for not mentioning Ruby In Steel in there. It wasn''t meant as a slight. You''re officially invited to show off. ;-) CCH Wrote:>BTW, as a 3rdRail expert user, can 3rdRail do what netbeans rubyide >can do?CCH, I wouldn''t say I''m a 3rdRail expert, but if you can name the feature(s), I''ll get you an answer. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Cody See my next post on code completion...> I wouldn''t say I''m a 3rdRail expert, but if you can name the feature(s), > I''ll get you an answer. > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH Wrote:>See my next post on code completion...CCH, I''m feeling a little obtuse this morning. Where''s that comment? -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Cody Is it morning in the USA ? It;s about 10:15pm Malaysian Time See my new thread Code Completion by IDEs - How Complete ? BTW, I have also posted it on the 3rdRail Beta Forum On Sep 26, 10:12 pm, Cody Skidmore <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> CCH Wrote: > > >See my next post on code completion... > > CCH, > > I''m feeling a little obtuse this morning. Where''s that comment? > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Hassan Schroeder wrote:> And I''m definitely finding the new NetBeans great for Rails work...Does it have a soft wrap option? I couldn''t find it if it does. -- Greg Donald Cyberfusion Consulting cyberfusionconsulting.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Jon wrote:> *3rdRails is a copy* of Aptana RadRails [1] but with a great > difference *RadRails is free and open source.* > > [1] radrails.org/download_rails_rdt.phpOK, I know this is flamebait, but as part of the 3rdRail team at CodeGear I have to point out this is utter nonsense. I''ve never heard anything so absurd. Our approach to providing Rails functionality is totally different. We have several big features that just don''t exist in RadRails, our code completion is better and... I don''t what the point of saying something like this is. If you''re a fan of RadRails then use it. We built a solid professional tool, and we''re updating it with new features every 3 months. RadRails has been updated in a loooooong time to my knowledge. I think aptana replaced the rhtml editor with their own html editor, but other than that. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Joe> We built a solid professional tool, and we''re updating it with new > features every 3 months. RadRails has been updated in a loooooong time > to my knowledge. I think aptana replaced the rhtml editor with their > own html editor, but other than that.cch: Surprise, surprise,Aptana has just released RadRails Milestone 7 into beta today --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi everyone, Well, I downloaded and installed Netbeans last night. It seems nice! I am going to use it for a week and see how I get on. A couple of initial observations: The installation is painless. You need the JDK as well as the JRE: Aptana just requires the JRE. I had to change the permissions of /usr/lib/ruby/gems to allow Netbeans to work with Ruby on Rails. This was not necessary for Aptana, which just worked. Netbeans "dirties" my project directory tree by adding internal files and folders. I don''t like this and, in my two hours of playing, I''d say this is my major gripe. But I am going to use it continuously for a week and see how I get on... John -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
John Lane wrote:> I had to change the permissions of /usr/lib/ruby/gems to allow Netbeans > to work with Ruby on Rails. This was not necessary for Aptana, which > just worked. >This is only if you want to use Netbeans to manager your Gems. If you don''t use Netbeans for this and use the normal gem command you don''t need to change permissions. There have been discussions about thison the Netbeans dev list. Tor is looking into ways to escalate privileges for the Gems manager if required (using sudo under linux and appropriate methods under other OSes).> Netbeans "dirties" my project directory tree by adding internal files > and folders. I don''t like this and, in my two hours of playing, I''d say > this is my major gripe. > > But I am going to use it continuously for a week and see how I get on... > > John >I''m loving Netbeans, my only complaint is the code completion isn''t as good as I would like. It seems to have trouble suggesting the right stuff to me in some circumstance. Not sure if this is a failing of Netbeans implementation or just the limitations of code completion in dynamic languages like Ruby. Cheers, Anthony Richardson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Anthony Richardson wrote:> I''m loving Netbeans, my only complaint is the code completion isn''t as > good as I would like. It seems to have trouble suggesting the right > stuff to me in some circumstance. Not sure if this is a failing of > Netbeans implementation or just the limitations of code completion in > dynamic languages like Ruby.Anthony, keep a list of those situations in NB where code completion isn''t helping and then try the same thing in 3rdRail. I think you''ll be happy with what you see. If there are code completion situations where we''re not better let me know so we can make it better. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 27 sep, 00:51, Joe Mcglynn <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Jon wrote: > > *3rdRails is a copy* of Aptana RadRails [1] but with a great > > difference *RadRails is free and open source.* > > > [1]radrails.org/download_rails_rdt.php > > OK, I know this is flamebait, but as part of the 3rdRail team at > CodeGear I have to point out this is utter nonsense. I''ve never heard > anything so absurd.Well, that was my first impression...> Our approach to providing Rails functionality is totally different. We > have several big features that just don''t exist in RadRails, our code > completion is better and... > > I don''t what the point of saying something like this is. If you''re a > fan of RadRails then use it.No, I''m not a RadRails fan. I simply use free and open source and now I''m using NetBeans 6.0 which has several features that doesn''t exist in RadRails and is better to writing code (by now). --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Joe Mcglynn wrote:> Anthony Richardson wrote: > >> I''m loving Netbeans, my only complaint is the code completion isn''t as >> good as I would like. It seems to have trouble suggesting the right >> stuff to me in some circumstance. Not sure if this is a failing of >> Netbeans implementation or just the limitations of code completion in >> dynamic languages like Ruby. >> > > Anthony, keep a list of those situations in NB where code completion > isn''t helping and then try the same thing in 3rdRail. I think you''ll be > happy with what you see. > > If there are code completion situations where we''re not better let me > know so we can make it better. >I have been slack with that. I will make a concerted effort to note these issues so that I can compare. I must admit I haven''t looked at 3rd Rail for a long time (early beta) and even back then it had some great features. Cheers, Anthony Richardson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 9/27/07, Anthony Richardson <anthony-fLWHnXb90il4ktuDPxIMMA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I must admit I haven''t looked at 3rd Rail for a long time (early beta) > and even back then it had some great features.What it doesn''t have is a sane download package: it doesn''t create a single install directory, but dumps files and directories wherever you happen to open it. And it could certainly use the option to *not* bother downloading things you don''t need, like a JRE and MySQL. Installing 3rd-party packages via RPM is also something I wouldn''t like to see done to my system. What it also lacks is anything that tells you, *before* you register and download the /330+MB/ installer, that it won''t run on your system, at all, if you happen to be running a 64-bit OS. Which is certainly not an issue with NetBeans :-) FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sep 27, 3:31 pm, Anthony Richardson <anth...-fLWHnXb90il4ktuDPxIMMA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I have been slack with that. I will make a concerted effort to note > these issues so that I can compare.If you do, I would also love to see the list of issues such that I can file issues and fix them :) wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyFeedback -- Tor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Tor Norbye wrote:> On Sep 27, 3:31 pm, Anthony Richardson <anth...-fLWHnXb90il4ktuDPxIMMA@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > >> I have been slack with that. I will make a concerted effort to note >> these issues so that I can compare. >> > > If you do, I would also love to see the list of issues such that I can > file issues and fix them :) > > wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyFeedback > > -- Tor > >Of course Tor, that goes without saying. :-) One thing that has impressed me with the NetBeans development is the speed in which I have had reported defects fixed. In the case of the one serious issue I reported it was fixed within hours and a new build made available... can''t ask for much more than that. Cheers, Anthony Richardson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Anthony On Sep 27, 6:49 pm, Anthony Richardson <anth...-fLWHnXb90il4ktuDPxIMMA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> John Lane wrote: > > I had to change the permissions of /usr/lib/ruby/gems to allow Netbeans > > to work with Ruby on Rails. This was not necessary for Aptana, which > > just worked.cch: I agree.> > This is only if you want to use Netbeans to manager your Gems. If you > don''t use Netbeans for this and use the normal gem command you don''t > need to change permissions. There have been discussions about thison the > Netbeans dev list. Tor is looking into ways to escalate privileges for > the Gems manager if required (using sudo under linux and appropriate > methods under other OSes). > > > Netbeans "dirties" my project directory tree by adding internal files > > and folders. I don''t like this and, in my two hours of playing, I''d say > > this is my major gripe.cch: I noticed this when I wa test moving my projects between Aptana Rails, 3rdrail (fieldtest edition) and nbRubyIDE> > > But I am going to use it continuously for a week and see how I get on... > > > John > > I''m loving Netbeans, my only complaint is the code completion isn''t as > good as I would like. It seems to have trouble suggesting the right > stuff to me in some circumstance. Not sure if this is a failing of > Netbeans implementation or just the limitations of code completion in > dynamic languages like Ruby.cch: See the "Code Completion - How Complete ?" thread.> > Cheers, > > Anthony Richardson--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
CCH wrote:>> I''m loving Netbeans, my only complaint is the code completion isn''t as >> good as I would like. It seems to have trouble suggesting the right >> stuff to me in some circumstance. Not sure if this is a failing of >> Netbeans implementation or just the limitations of code completion in >> dynamic languages like Ruby. >> > > cch: See the "Code Completion - How Complete ?" thread. >yeah, I''m following that thread as well. Cheers, Anthony Richardson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
>>> I''m loving Netbeans<SNIP>Gotta agree with you there - just started using it again. I was initially put off because of the slightly long load time and I really miss my textmate style dark theme in radrails. However I just tried it out on some functionality I was testing and the debugging is great, its a real doddle to refactor some code and I love the highlighting of similar variables. There seem to be loads of little things like that which you dont necessarily realise are great productivity boosters. Now if I can find a textmate style dark theme I''ll be hooked :0) Luke -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
chris.simons-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2007-Sep-28 13:47 UTC
Re: moving from aptana to 3rdRail
NetBeans 6.0 Beta 1 is the way to go right now. Get the Ruby Edition - light-weight, great code completion, amazing editor. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Ok, so I''ve been using Netbeans for over a week now and, I have to say, I''m hooked. I won''t be going back to Aptana in a hurry. I''ve used the Rails stuff (obviously) and also the Subversion and Mysql parts too. Minor gripes - additional files in project tree (I''ve mentioned this before) - renaming files won''t let you change the extension (e.g changing .rhtml to .mab) - subversion got a little messed up a couple of times - I don''t know if this is a netbeans issue or not. - i wish it wouldn''t keep hiding the output window - it doesn''t kill ruby when stopping the server. Requires reverting to a terminal and doing a kill -9. - a couple of time the editor seemed to get confused and start drawing text on the wrong line or one space out of position. Closing and reopening the file sorted it. Other than that, I really like it. What would be great is if I could use vi for the integrated editor. I''ve used vi for years and I would find it really useful. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:13:57 +0200, John Lane wrote:> - subversion got a little messed up a couple of times - I don''t know if > this is a netbeans issue or not.That''s kinda scary... what sort of "messed up"? -- Jay Levitt | Boston, MA | My character doesn''t like it when they Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit. jay.fm | - Kristoffer --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> That''s kinda scary... what sort of "messed up"?Well, the first instance, I needed to change one line of one file in a rails plugin. Before I started I had just done a commit: no problems. I then used the file search facility on the "file" view to locate the file and proceeded to do my edit (which was just a simple commenting out one line of code, so a 1 character change). I then did another commit. Or I tried to. What happened next (I think, I''m not sure) was the files that were located in the "find" were effectively deleted from the repo even though they were still in my working copy. So, now the two were out of sync. I tried rolling back and all sorts to no avail. I tried deleting and re-adding the plugin which just made matters worse. Several "commit" attemps added to the mess. In the end I exited netbeans and used a command line to delete my working copy and check out the last known "good" version. I then used the svn command line to delete the plugin and then the ruby command line to add it back in. I then made my edit using vi from the command line. Eventually I got it sorted. Then, last night, it started complaining about "." being out of date, which it wasn''t as far as I could tell. I fixed this by deleting .svn/all-wcprops the root directory of my working copy and re-doing the commit. I am admittedly new to svn but it does seem quite delicate; but, that may be a netbeans issue - I don''t know. -- Posted via ruby-forum.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---