Rails - Aug 2007 - Ruby On Rails Vs. J2EE OpenSource vs. Apple WebObjects etc..

Hello Gurus:

New to Ruby/Rails. We are a startup and getting ready to start
developing a DB driven business application. We have a Apple hardware
with MAC OS with Ruby, WebObjects, JBoss, Hibernate and other
opensource tools and technologies available and ready to use.

We are debading on platform of choice and hence my posting here. Our
application is no different from other application with customers,
users, Orders, products, etc...

Performance, scalability, availability and reliability are certainly
key to our project. We are in the process of DB selection in terms of
MySQL vs. Oracle Express Edition.

One final question about availability of experienced resources for
Ruby on Rails...

Thanks


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Any Suggestions on this?

On Aug 9, 12:20 am, Ralphmiller
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wrote:
> Hello Gurus:
>
> New to Ruby/Rails. We are a startup and getting ready to start
> developing a DB driven business application. We have a Apple hardware
> with MAC OS with Ruby, WebObjects, JBoss, Hibernate and other
> opensource tools and technologies available and ready to use.
>
> We are debading on platform of choice and hence my posting here. Our
> application is no different from other application with customers,
> users, Orders, products, etc...
>
> Performance, scalability, availability and reliability are certainly
> key to our project. We are in the process of DB selection in terms of
> MySQL vs. Oracle Express Edition.
>
> One final question about availability of experienced resources for
> Ruby on Rails...
>
> Thanks

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Ralphmiller wrote:
> Any Suggestions on this?
ooOOooH! So many information! :)

http://rubythis.blogspot.com/2006/12/justify-your-choice-of-ruby-on-rails.html

Cheers!

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Ralphmiller wrote:
> Any Suggestions on this?
Ralph,

I am sure most of us would like to help out if we could but the question 
is a little too general.  Everything you mentioned is viable in it''s
own
right and if your problem domain is "no different from other 
applications" then it doesn''t really matter what you choose.  The 
decision should be based on what type of experience you, your 
developers, your support staff have with said technologies.

Having said all that, I am a big fan of Hibernate (way before the JBoss 
acquisition) but I have found that development with ActiveRecord is much 
quicker and easier.  This assumes ofcourse that your schema adopts to 
Rails conventions or is at the design stage.  ActiveRecord also works 
with legacy schemas but it''s obviously not as straight forward. 
Hibernate has a heavy dependency on XML configuration and/or JDK 1.5 
annotations which is more configuration details that your SEs will have 
to support while ActiveRecord heavily relies on meta programming 
(belongs_to) and sane db conventions.  If legacy is not an issue (I envy 
you), I would pick ActiveRecord from the get go.

As for languages, Although I have been professionally doing Java/C++ 
much longer than Ruby, I find that Ruby is far more intuitive and 
requires much less boiler plate code to write which translates into 
lower support costs for your product.  Due to the fact that Ruby is 
quite poetic, developers develop a strong attachment to the language and 
really get into what they are doing which leads to much higher quality 
code which again translates into less support costs. It has been 
suggested that Ruby runs slower on the server than Java but this is 
usually an unfounded statement as since 80% of the time is spent in the 
DB, the server side processing doesn''t usually even factor into the 
equation.  I have also experienced much easier server side debugging 
with Rails compared to a full fledged J2EE application container. 
Please take all this with a grain of salt as I don''t know the details
of
your problem domain and I am strongly Ruby biased as I simply adore the 
language.

Not to start a flame war but one amazing feature of developing on Macs 
is TextMate and that is worth the price of admission right there. 
Everyone has an editor preference but it''s hard to beat text mate 
bundles.

As for DBs, it all depends upon the requirements of your problem domain. 
Clustering? Replication? Fail-Over?, DBA assets?  If you have a PL/SQL 
DBA in house, then Oracle may be your ticket.  I myself prefer MySQL BUT 
like I said, suggesting a DB without knowing the specifics of the 
problem domain is ludicrous.

I hope this at least gives you some hints and I wish your startup all 
the best.  If I had to start my own startup based on a brand smacking 
new DB application, could get any resource that we required, had 
investors that would never say no, could use the development process I 
wanted,  had coders that were young at heart, curious, and brave, and I 
could hand pick ALL the requirements of the app, I would go with 
something like this

Rails/ActiveRecord
MySQL
Mac/TextMate
Apache/Mongrel
HAML
SVN
Fridays'' off
Breakfast in bed
XBOX
Lots of adoring fans
Corner office overlooking a peaceful lake
Big 27" monitor
Lots of good quality, affordable restaurants within walking distance
Winning lottery ticket
Mothering law that couldn''t speak English

ilan

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Ralphmiller wrote:
> Any Suggestions on this?
Rails is nice, go for it :-)

Well, actually you should probably do the usual development tasks 
regarding choice of technology. I''m not quite sure what you''re
looking for?

I chose Ruby and Rails because it''s a great programming language,
it''s a
joy to use, it provides a whole lot of foundation so you don''t have to 
spend a lot of time getting separate technologies working together and 
it''s pretty damn fast to get stuff done with Rails.
> On Aug 9, 12:20 am, Ralphmiller
<balanem...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Hello Gurus:
>>
>> New to Ruby/Rails. We are a startup and getting ready to start
>> developing a DB driven business application. We have a Apple hardware
>> with MAC OS with Ruby, WebObjects, JBoss, Hibernate and other
>> opensource tools and technologies available and ready to use.
>>
>> We are debading on platform of choice and hence my posting here. Our
>> application is no different from other application with customers,
>> users, Orders, products, etc...
>>
>> Performance, scalability, availability and reliability are certainly
>> key to our project. We are in the process of DB selection in terms of
>> MySQL vs. Oracle Express Edition.
>>
>> One final question about availability of experienced resources for
>> Ruby on Rails...
>>
>> Thanks
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Cheers,
- Jacob Atzen

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