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maestro777

2007-Jul-24 23:34 UTC

A design question..

I have a design question that I hope someone can help shed some light
on.

I have a view file which generates a chart. Before it can generate the
chart, it needs the input from an XML file.
I have a method in my controller which will generate the XML file and
write it on to the disk.

What I''m struggling with is how to accomplish these two steps with one
link/button click from the view file.
In other words, when I click the link, it will take me to the
controller method which generates the XML file, write to the disk and
then pass the control to the view file that will generate the chart
and present the view.

Where I am at:
When I generate the XML using the Builder Template (rxml), it will not
only write the XML output to the disk but also output the content to
the view. I can''t think of a way to pass the control to another view
(rhtml) file that will generate the chart. And also I would like to
suppress the screen output of the XML file from the Builder template,
so that the generating of XML file will be transparent to the user.
Essentially what should happen is a user click the link, he/she gets
the chart back, and will not see the XML output.

Not sure if this makes any sense at all.

Many thanks for any input.


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jemminger

2007-Jul-25 00:56 UTC

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Re: A design question..

how exactly are you writing the output of the rxml to disk?  would not
a redirect_to :the_view_you_want work?



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jemminger

2007-Jul-25 00:59 UTC

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Re: A design question..

not sure if my reply made it through, so here it is again:

how exactly are you writing the results of the rxml to disk?  would
not a redirect_to :the_view_you_want work?



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Robert Walker

2007-Jul-25 01:26 UTC

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Re: A design question..

You''ve run into the fundamental difference between web applications
and desktop applications.  Where desktop applications have a run loop
that continually monitors an event queue, web applications have a
request-response cycle. In a run loop events can be generated from
multiple sources, user input, system generated events, etc.  In a web
application the web server responds to an event, "wakes" the
application to process the request and return a response, then the
application "sleeps" waiting for the next request.

Once you have returned a response you have no way to inject another
request from within your application. My suggestion is to make use of
AJAX (a.k.a. remote) requests to do what you want.  Then you have a
client-side program in JavaScript that can have a type of run loop and
can make multiple request to accomplish your task.

At least that''s one solution.

On Jul 24, 7:34 pm, maestro777
<isig...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:> I have a design question that I hope someone can help shed some light
> on.
>
> I have a view file which generates a chart. Before it can generate the
> chart, it needs the input from an XML file.
> I have a method in my controller which will generate the XML file and
> write it on to the disk.
>
> What I''m struggling with is how to accomplish these two steps with
one
> link/button click from the view file.
> In other words, when I click the link, it will take me to the
> controller method which generates the XML file, write to the disk and
> then pass the control to the view file that will generate the chart
> and present the view.
>
> Where I am at:
> When I generate the XML using the Builder Template (rxml), it will not
> only write the XML output to the disk but also output the content to
> the view. I can''t think of a way to pass the control to another
view
> (rhtml) file that will generate the chart. And also I would like to
> suppress the screen output of the XML file from the Builder template,
> so that the generating of XML file will be transparent to the user.
> Essentially what should happen is a user click the link, he/she gets
> the chart back, and will not see the XML output.
>
> Not sure if this makes any sense at all.
>
> Many thanks for any input.

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Brian Hogan

2007-Jul-25 01:37 UTC

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Re: A design question..

There''s a Rails plugin called ZiYa that does XML based charting. It
uses
Flash (actually the SWF/Charts product) and it''s really, really nice.
Maybe
look into that too.

On 7/24/07, Robert Walker
<rwalker348-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:>
>
> You''ve run into the fundamental difference between web
applications
> and desktop applications.  Where desktop applications have a run loop
> that continually monitors an event queue, web applications have a
> request-response cycle. In a run loop events can be generated from
> multiple sources, user input, system generated events, etc.  In a web
> application the web server responds to an event, "wakes" the
> application to process the request and return a response, then the
> application "sleeps" waiting for the next request.
>
> Once you have returned a response you have no way to inject another
> request from within your application. My suggestion is to make use of
> AJAX (a.k.a. remote) requests to do what you want.  Then you have a
> client-side program in JavaScript that can have a type of run loop and
> can make multiple request to accomplish your task.
>
> At least that''s one solution.
>
> On Jul 24, 7:34 pm, maestro777
<isig...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > I have a design question that I hope someone can help shed some light
> > on.
> >
> > I have a view file which generates a chart. Before it can generate the
> > chart, it needs the input from an XML file.
> > I have a method in my controller which will generate the XML file and
> > write it on to the disk.
> >
> > What I''m struggling with is how to accomplish these two steps
with one
> > link/button click from the view file.
> > In other words, when I click the link, it will take me to the
> > controller method which generates the XML file, write to the disk and
> > then pass the control to the view file that will generate the chart
> > and present the view.
> >
> > Where I am at:
> > When I generate the XML using the Builder Template (rxml), it will not
> > only write the XML output to the disk but also output the content to
> > the view. I can''t think of a way to pass the control to
another view
> > (rhtml) file that will generate the chart. And also I would like to
> > suppress the screen output of the XML file from the Builder template,
> > so that the generating of XML file will be transparent to the user.
> > Essentially what should happen is a user click the link, he/she gets
> > the chart back, and will not see the XML output.
> >
> > Not sure if this makes any sense at all.
> >
> > Many thanks for any input.
>
>
> >
>
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Obie Fernandez

2007-Jul-25 02:33 UTC

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Re: A design question..

> Once you have returned a response you have no way to inject another
> request from within your application. My suggestion is to make use of
What I got from his description is that the link should reference the
first action that writes XML to a file, and then redirect to the
action that renders the view with the chart.
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maestro777

2007-Jul-25 02:34 UTC

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Re: A design question..

Thank you all for your response.


jemminger ,
This thread showed me how to write RXML output to the disk:
http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk/browse_thread/thread/68f85e002b718cbc/a9a6a64af52b974d?lnk=gst&q=xml+disk&rnum=1&hl=en#a9a6a64af52b974d

The redirect_to doesn''t work in this situation because I have to
render the rxml template in order to get the xml output. (at least the
limitation might be my ROR knowledge level.  I''m still pretty new to
ROR).

Robert,
Perhaps Ajax might be a way of doing it. I have not got into Ajax yet,
Maybe this might be the time to jump into it.

Brian,
Thanks for the tips. At quick glance, it certainly look interesting.
Will definitely check Ziya out.

By the way, perhaps a bit more information on what I''m trying to do.
I''m basically trying to see if I could implement Simile Timeline in
ROR. Other than this problem that I have encountered, I have also
encountered other issue incorporating Timeline into ROR. So it is
still an uphill process for me. Definitely a good learning exercise.












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maestro777

2007-Jul-25 02:37 UTC

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Re: A design question..

Obie,
Looks like we were both posting at the same time.

Yes, you are right. That is exactly what I''m trying to do.




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Obie Fernandez

2007-Jul-25 03:04 UTC

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Re: A design question..

Fundamentally, you just need to decouple the XML generation and
writing to the disk from the rendering of the view. Thinking about it
some more, you shouldn''t even need a redirect. Of course, this assumes
that you''re hosted on one server, not a cluster

I''m short on time, so all i can offer you is some pseudo-code

def action
  xml = Builder::XmlMarkup.new(:indent => 2)
  craft the xml doc, just like you would in an .rxml template
  File.open(RAILS_ROOT+"/myfile.xml", ''w+'') do |f|
    f.write xml.target!
  end
  # render or redirect, doesn''t matter
end

hope it helps!

On 7/24/07, maestro777 <isignin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:>
> Obie,
> Looks like we were both posting at the same time.
>
> Yes, you are right. That is exactly what I''m trying to do.
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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nkryptic-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org

2007-Jul-25 03:20 UTC

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Re: A design question..

There''s also both render_to_string (http://caboo.se/doc/classes/
ActionController/Base.html#M004346) and erase_results (http://caboo.se/
doc/classes/ActionController/Base.html#M004362) that would allow you
to perform the first render and then redirect or render a second time.

But, I do believe that Obie''s direction of decoupling the xml
generation is the right idea.

nkryptic

On Jul 24, 11:04 pm, "Obie Fernandez"
<obiefernan...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:> Fundamentally, you just need to decouple the XML generation and
> writing to the disk from the rendering of the view. Thinking about it
> some more, you shouldn''t even need a redirect. Of course, this
assumes
> that you''re hosted on one server, not a cluster
>
> I''m short on time, so all i can offer you is some pseudo-code
>
> def action
>   xml = Builder::XmlMarkup.new(:indent => 2)
>   craft the xml doc, just like you would in an .rxml template
>   File.open(RAILS_ROOT+"/myfile.xml", ''w+'') do
|f|
>     f.write xml.target!
>   end
>   # render or redirect, doesn''t matter
> end
>
> hope it helps!
>
> On 7/24/07, maestro777
<isig...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Obie,
> > Looks like we were both posting at the same time.
>
> > Yes, you are right. That is exactly what I''m trying to do.
>
> --
> Obie Fernandezhttp://jroller.com/obie/
>
> Pre-order my book The Rails Way today!http://www.amazon.com/dp/0321445619

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