Rails - Jul 2007 - Sorta new to Rails, and looking for learning resources

First some background.  I''m a decent intermediate (I think) programmer
and have experience with other languages like PHP, ActionScript, and
JavaScript.  I just finished watching all the lynda.com videos for
Ruby on Rails and I''ve learned a lot.  Now I''m looking for
more.

While I was watching those videos, I was often thinking about how
certain things work.  Things like how Rails knows a certain thing such
as tables in a database exist.  You know all the awesome stuff that
makes Rails so much easier than other languages for the same purpose.
Maybe because of this, I don''t fully feel like I could build a Rails
app on my own yet.  In other words I might not know what I have to
create and what Rails can do for me.

So I''m looking for books.  I was looking at Ruby for Rails, since it
claims to explain all the underlying stuff of Rails.  But I was also
looking at the other two real popular books, Agile Web Development
with Rails, and Rails Recipes.  Will these two books (or the first one
mostly) be able to help me out without also having to buy Ruby for
Rails?

I think I also need help with the online documentation for
Rails(Rails: Complete API, Ruby Core, and Ruby Standard Lib).  I don''t
find it extremely easy to find what I want.  Some things such as the
symbols aren''t listed in the long lists, and the lack of a search
function doesn''t help.  What''s the difference between the 3
documentations?  Any hints on how to use them?

Or any tips about anything else in general?
Thanks.


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Quoting nemesis256 <nemesis256-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
who spaketh thusly:
>
> So I''m looking for books.  I was looking at Ruby for Rails, since
it
> claims to explain all the underlying stuff of Rails.  But I was also
> looking at the other two real popular books, Agile Web Development
> with Rails, and Rails Recipes.  Will these two books (or the first one
> mostly) be able to help me out without also having to buy Ruby for
> Rails?
I''m quickly growing fond of the Pragmatic Programmer series, those two
books are a good start. I didn''t get the Ruby for Rails book so I  
can''t comment on it.
> Or any tips about anything else in general?
I learn by doing, and very little by watching. So for me the best  
approach was to jump right on in and start blowing stuff up. :-)

-- Mitch


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On Jul 17, 2:51 pm, Mitch Pirtle
<mi...-FYK0AvAIAVJIdMtHoxk3LkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Quoting nemesis256
<nemesis...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>, who spaketh thusly:
>
>
>
> > So I''m looking for books.  I was looking at Ruby for Rails,
since it
> > claims to explain all the underlying stuff of Rails.  But I was also
> > looking at the other two real popular books, Agile Web Development
> > with Rails, and Rails Recipes.  Will these two books (or the first one
> > mostly) be able to help me out without also having to buy Ruby for
> > Rails?
>
> I''m quickly growing fond of the Pragmatic Programmer series, those
two
> books are a good start. I didn''t get the Ruby for Rails book so I
> can''t comment on it.
>
> > Or any tips about anything else in general?
>
> I learn by doing, and very little by watching. So for me the best
> approach was to jump right on in and start blowing stuff up. :-)
>
> -- Mitch
if you look on Amazon, there are (or will be this summer) a staggering
volume of books on rails coming out.  There''s a bunch i consider
outstanding:

Pickax,
AWDR2,
Ajax on Rails (Raymond)
"Rails for java Develoers" and "Pragmatic Ajax" Gehtland et
al.
Ruby for Rails (Black)
Rails Cookbook
Textmate (Gray)

The Apress books are quite good as well.  That''s off the top of my
head, I know i''ve overlooked some, but that should keep you busy for a
couple days.


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Books: (in order of value)
  Refactoring           by Martin Fowler  (not ruby specific but damn 
valuable)
  Agile Development     by the pragmatic programmers
  Programming Ruby      by the pragmatic programmers
  Rails up and running  by O''rilley media (covers Ajax, Migrations, 
Testing not in                    . 
Agile Development)
  Ajax on Rails
  The Ruby Way          (A how to rather than reference)


The API:
  The three sections of the api from top down are:
    - files
    - classes/modules
    - public/protected methods

  You should be able to find most things in the api just by using CTR+f 
if fire    fox and step through the menu. If that doesn''t get you what 
you want the other options are the online manual
  - http://railsmanual.com/ which does have a search (not a great search 
mind).
and the code itself which if you know were to look can give you a 
masterful perspective on how to do what you want

Lastly: Believe Mitch, the guy is right; if you have the potential 
jumping in head first is the best way. it doesn''t matter if you feel 
confident to build an acuall app yet just try and when you fail learn 
from it and use that refactoring book it is the best book on good 
codeing (any lang) I''ve found.

Keynan

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On Jul 17, 4:31 pm, nemesis256
<nemesis...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> While I was watching those videos, I was often thinking about how
> certain things work.  Things like how Rails knows a certain thing such
> as tables in a database exist.  You know all the awesome stuff that
> makes Rails so much easier than other languages for the same purpose.
> Maybe because of this, I don''t fully feel like I could build a
Rails
> app on my own yet.  In other words I might not know what I have to
> create and what Rails can do for me.
Please consider the Essential Rails class coming up in September - we
gear it for Java/PHP/.NET devs who are switching to Rails and are
asking your exact question: www.essentialrails.com.
> So I''m looking for books.  I was looking at Ruby for Rails, since
it
> claims to explain all the underlying stuff of Rails.  But I was also
> looking at the other two real popular books, Agile Web Development
> with Rails, and Rails Recipes.  Will these two books (or the first one
> mostly) be able to help me out without also having to buy Ruby for
> Rails?
Agile Web Development with Rails, 2nd Ed. is great; also Ruby for
Rails is arguably better for learning Ruby as much as the Rails
framework.
> I think I also need help with the online documentation for
> Rails(Rails: Complete API, Ruby Core, and Ruby Standard Lib).  I
don''t
> find it extremely easy to find what I want.  Some things such as the
> symbols aren''t listed in the long lists, and the lack of a search
> function doesn''t help.  What''s the difference between the
3
> documentations?  Any hints on how to use them?
Rails API is a reference to the Rails classes and methods; won''t make
too much sense until you get an idea of what the framework is all
about.  The Ruby Core and Standard Lib docs are for the Ruby language
itself;  some classes are "core" while others are separated into a
library, but every distribution of Ruby comes with the standard
library.  I often wish there was a unified doc somewhere (I bet there
is, I''ve been too lazy to look, I just bookmark both of them).
> Or any tips about anything else in general?
I''ve found that learning Ruby well is really what separates the Rails
"users" from the Rails "developers", if you know what I
mean.  So try
to spend time writing some Ruby scripts and running them from the
command line.  And definitely learn "irb", the interactive Ruby prompt
- it''s a great way to learn Ruby.

Feel free to ask more questions here or on our blog,
softiesonrails.com.  If you have questions about the class drop a
comment on our blog or email me directly.

Hope this helps!

Jeff
essentialrails.com
> Thanks.

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Thanks for all the welcoming messages.  This seems to be a great place
for info on Rails.  I think I''m going to buy the Ruby for Rails book.
The thing about answering questions as to how things work, and a
section about only Ruby to learn irb like Jeff mentioned are
attracting me to this book.


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nemesis256 wrote:
> Thanks for all the welcoming messages.  This seems to be a great place
> for info on Rails.  I think I''m going to buy the Ruby for Rails
book.
> The thing about answering questions as to how things work, and a
> section about only Ruby to learn irb like Jeff mentioned are
> attracting me to this book.
>
>
> >
>
>   
Theres always Why''s guide if you havn''t read it already.

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One other resource you should seriously look at is Peepcode
screencasts (www.peepcode.com) they provide some great info, example
and source code and if you get a multi -episode pack its a pretty good
deal.  He just released some new ''''Rails from
scratch'' episodes that
might be right up your alley.  Another good resource is railscasts.com
which is the same idea as peepcode but deals with smaller concepts and
is free.

On Jul 18, 6:37 am, Jarod Reid
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wrote:
> nemesis256 wrote:
> > Thanks for all the welcoming messages.  This seems to be a great place
> > for info on Rails.  I think I''m going to buy the Ruby for
Rails book.
> > The thing about answering questions as to how things work, and a
> > section about only Ruby to learn irb like Jeff mentioned are
> > attracting me to this book.
>
> Theres always Why''s guide if you havn''t read it already.

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I like "Build your own Ruby On Rails Web Applications" by Patrrick
Lenz.
It''s a good beginners book. I have been programming in RoR now for
about
two months I find that it''s hard to find that one book that ties 
everything together properly. Being a C++ and Java programmer, I find 
the style very different then what my brain is used too. I have yet to 
find, however, a good reference and self teach book for the Ruby 
programming language.

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I''ve just started programming in RoR but spend most of my time on a
ship with no internet connection.  What''s the best source for a full
download RoR docs in pdf or other convenient format?

Thanks in advance.
Gavin

On Jul 18, 6:57 am, Keynan Pratt
<rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Books: (in order of value)
>   Refactoring           by Martin Fowler  (not ruby specific but damn
> valuable)
>   Agile Development     by the pragmatic programmers
>   Programming Ruby      by the pragmatic programmers
>   Rails up and running  by O''rilley media (covers Ajax,
Migrations,
> Testing not in                    .
> Agile Development)
>   Ajax on Rails
>   The Ruby Way          (A how to rather than reference)
>
> The API:
>   The three sections of the api from top down are:
>     - files
>     - classes/modules
>     - public/protected methods
>
>   You should be able to find most things in the api just by using CTR+f
> if fire    fox and step through the menu. If that doesn''t get you
what
> you want the other options are the online manual
>   -http://railsmanual.com/which does have a search (not a great search
> mind).
> and the code itself which if you know were to look can give you a
> masterful perspective on how to do what you want
>
> Lastly: Believe Mitch, the guy is right; if you have the potential
> jumping in head first is the best way. it doesn''t matter if you
feel
> confident to build an acuall app yet just try and when you fail learn
> from it and use that refactoring book it is the best book on good
> codeing (any lang) I''ve found.
>
> Keynan
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.

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gem install rails --include-dependencies

will give you the RoR rdoc in html

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